Ethiopian messing with Adal's Wikipedia page. Removing somalis

[Step a side]

Balaw aren't somalis
They were literally pagans in the time of the futuh
Here in the futuh
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The imam forces were capturing and killing them for straight 6 days (bro was a menace) View attachment 281230
The imam wasn't from them either, he wouldn't slaughter his own people.
Or are they 2 separated Balaws? View attachment 281232
But yeah harla are probably Somalis that were assimilated.

From this, they spoke somali and their own geological traditions says that they're of somali descent

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Brother that page doesn’t state what you just said. The Futuh makes it clear that the imam’s tribe was Balaw and we see this mentioned again in the awsa chronicles as this balaw were the same ones that founded Awwsa Imamate. I posted this earlier. The correct copies of Futuh have the word Garanle. That explains why Arab Faqih would quote writing Karanle like the historian Berhanu mentioned. Arabic historian Layla Sabaq picked up on that better and mentioned Garanle in her “Mawsu” like the Somali Hanan Channel on Youtube who literally reads out the original Arabic text from that book at the end of her short video.


By the way guys let’s not worry about these online Ethiopian trolls too much. Crying online and lying by changing Wikipedia pages won’t help. Adal, Harar and it’s emirs from the 1st to the last were heavily studied. The credibility of these authors that collaborated together like Ahmed Sami is insane. Ewald Wagner who also worked with Ahmed Sami was one of 3 foreign authors in Ethiopia, alongside Cerulli & Paulitschke, Mekuria uses the work of all three, they produced an important monograph of nearly 1K published pages about Ahmed Gurey that is accepted in the capital state university!

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Brother that page doesn’t state what you just said.

Can you read arabic? In the text it says that they were kuffar and the muslims were looting, capturing and kept slaughtering them
My translation might be wrong do you have a better translation?

 

[zeila2wajir]

We need to create a functional somali state and have a section of government that handles our global image as a people and controls the narrative. I'm sick of these damn foreigners

Yes, we do. Inshallah. We ought to hire Korea or Japan's PR team. Those countries have deep seated issues yet even white supremacists love them. We need to teach our history and culture correctly.

 

[Khaem]

Yes, we do. Inshallah. We ought to hire Korea or Japan's PR team. Those countries have deep seated issues yet even white supremacists love them. We need to teach our history and culture correctly.

We need to create Somali media that ajnabi consume. Movies, music, news and other stuff is what people base their perception of a country on.
Inshallah we beat these ajnabi scum ruining our image

 

[Step a side]

Can you read arabic? In the text it says that they were kuffar and the muslims were looting, capturing and kept slaughtering them
My translation might be wrong do you have a better translation?
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Those are the Eritrean Balaw. They have nothing to do with the Karanle Balaw from
Hubat. Hubat is explicitly a Somali regional area, the Somali component in his birth and family is from his fathers side and it shows how well he knew Somalis and their lands while when he went to Eritrea he couldn't suss out their secret locations and was eventually killed in those regions.

 

[Step a side]

We need to create Somali media that ajnabi consume. Movies, music, news and other stuff is what people base their perception of a country on.
Inshallah we beat these ajnabi scum ruining our image

Ajnabis are consuming it already in the millions. The latest war strategy game Europa Universalis 4 played by millions has the Walashma and the Karanle featured amongst their Kings and rulers

Ahmed gurey, Sultana Bati’ah, King Amir Nur and King Usman are all featured as Karanle. Don’t be surprised if a movie is realised soon .

 

[Khaem]

Ajnabis are consuming it already in the millions. The latest war strategy game Europa Universalis 4 played by millions has the Walashma and the Karanle featured amongst their Kings and rulers

Ahmed gurey, Sultana Bati’ah, King Amir Nur and King Usman are all featured as Karanle. Don’t be surprised if a movie is realised soon .


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Lol I'm playing the game rn.
It clearly states the "culture" of Adal is Somali

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Lol I'm playing the game rn.
It clearly states the "culture" of Adal is Somali
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Marehan in the north east?!

What are they doing there

 

[Khaem]

Damn it really do be like that...

 

[Step a side]

Amir nur like amir Nur ibn mujahid? Wasn't he a marehan?

Yes Amir Nur ibn Mujahid is featured as Karanle. He wasn’t Marexaan unfortunately. That is just based on oral traditions from the Marexaan. Gadbursi have this oral tradition too. Non of them however provide manuscripts or historical authors, makuria uses harar tradition while the Marexaan usually posts an Italian colonial author commenting on a fairy tale which the author Cerulli doesn't agree himself nor confirms his origin in his work since it wasnt the biopic of his work, Cerullis book is in actual fact mentioned in Makurias references meaning Makuria clearly knows and read Cerullis book called general ethiopian history of harar, theres a reason he said "some somalis" "believe". Amir Nur was Karanle from the Gidir clan. Amir Nur was part of the malasay and a commander on top of that & Marehan was not.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Yes Amir Nur ibn Mujahid is featured as Karanle. He wasn’t Marexaan unfortunately. That is just based on oral traditions from the Marexaan. Gadbursi have this oral tradition too. Non of them however provide manuscripts or historical authors, makuria uses harar tradition while the Marexaan usually posts an Italian colonial author commenting on a fairy tale which the author Cerulli doesn't agree himself nor confirms his origin in his work since it wasnt the biopic of his work, Cerullis book is in actual fact mentioned in Makurias references meaning Makuria clearly knows and read Cerullis book called general ethiopian history of harar, theres a reason he said "some somalis" "believe". Amir Nur was Karanle from the Gidir clan. Amir Nur was part of the malasay and a commander on top of that & Marehan was not.

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Idk tbh you're claiming everyone as a Karanle which gives me the doubt

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(Also your texts never mention anything about nur, remember that he's related to ahmed in his maternal side, so ahmed being Karanle≠nur)
Let me share with you what i know,
First here's
A German work which is called "Amharic History of the Emir of Harar in the 16th Century"

It's an Amharic translation of a Harari manuscript about nur ibn mujahid
It says that nur is marehan

Translation *google*:

Also in Cerulli work he didn't say "some" he said nur was of marehan origins
Here:

Also his descendent lives in harar with his forehead ancestor sword *nur*:

I mean that's what i know, and i believe it's wildly accepted for nur ibn mujahid being a marehan dude
Marehans also live in harar right?
So

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Inferiority complex what can i say. I've read through the post and found this habashi lurker who lurks here on sspot. He seems to have something against @Arma for whatever reason.

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no way this Xabesha guy is stalking a 30+ yr old construction worker.

 

[Step a side]

Idk tbh you're claiming everyone as a Karanle which gives me the doubtView attachment 281289.
(Also your texts never mention anything about nur, remember that he's related to ahmed in his maternal side, so ahmed being Karanle≠nur)
Let me share with you what i know,
First here's
A German work which is called "Amharic History of the Emir of Harar in the 16th Century"

It's an Amharic translation of a Harari manuscript about nur ibn mujahid
It says that nur is marehanView attachment 281290
Translation *google*:
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Also in Cerulli work he didn't say "some" he said nur was of marehan origins
Here:
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Also his descendent lives in harar with his forehead ancestor sword *nur*:
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I mean that's what i know, and i believe it's wildly accepted for nur ibn mujahid being a marehan dude
Marehans also live in harar right?
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Brother the 1st source you gave me is not in Amharic but it’s in German and it quotes Cerulli. Which goes back to what I said earlier. I have analysed the mx claim. Every bit of colourful gifs they post to appear like they have loads of references is just the same reference from cerulli which states oral mx tradition claims amir nur. Im not suprised about it, amir nur himself was anti tribal and burnt many lineage papers according to some history. Mx took advantage of a ruler who didnt preserve his tribal legacy.


Amir Nur was Malassay commander at the time when the MX were hesitant to join the jihad. Also the imam was Harla from his maternal side. No MX was in his family. The only Darood group that was close to us was the Geri.

 

[Step a side]

I would like to share some usefull information regarding the balaw I found hidden deep in my database.

Balaw is a generic term used to describe muslim bedouins in the horn, so there are karanle balaws, eritrean balaws etc

Balaw is originally a coptic term, the ethiopian chronicles state there was a Saint george (formerly muslim) in egypt in the 10th century which ethiopians also called a bedoin (balaw).

Balaw is like jeberti, it has multiple meanings and can refer to numerous people, the main saxawle karanle that divide into ciye baad and sanbure baad often say ciye baad which means a birds wing or ciye baalow which means the same

 

[seldiboy]

I would like to share some usefull information regarding the balaw I found hidden deep in my database.

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Balaw is a generic term used to describe muslim bedouins in the horn, so there are karanle balaws, eritrean balaws etc


View attachment 281298Balaw is originally a coptic term, the ethiopian chronicles state there was a Saint george (formerly muslim) in egypt in the 10th century which ethiopians also called a bedoin (balaw).

Balaw is like jeberti, it has multiple meanings and can refer to numerous people, the main saxawle karanle that divide into ciye baad and sanbure baad often say ciye baad which means a birds wing or ciye baalow which means the same

Balaw just means “of Bedouin descent” but not necessarily Muslim. Eritrean Belaws were a hybrid of Bejas and Bedouins that were predominantly Christian. They’ve since been assimilated

 

[Nin123]

Oh yeah I got banned from editing the Wikipedia

 

[Khaem]

Oh yeah I got banned from editing the Wikipedia

Just made a wiki account rn gonna do my part.

Did you get banned rn or was this way back?

 

[Nin123]

Just made a wiki account rn gonna do my part.

Did you get banned rn or was this way back?

Nah it was way back I was bored and start editing and falsifying stuff they caught me and banned me.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Brother the 1st source you gave me is not in Amharic but it’s in German and it quotes Cerulli. Which goes back to what I said earlier. I have analysed the mx claim. Every bit of colourful gifs they post to appear like they have loads of references is just the same reference from cerulli which states oral mx tradition claims amir nur. Im not suprised about it, amir nur himself was anti tribal and burnt many lineage papers according to some history. Mx took advantage of a ruler who didnt preserve his tribal legacy.


Amir Nur was Malassay commander at the time when the MX were hesitant to join the jihad. Also the imam was Harla from his maternal side. No MX was in his family. The only Darood group that was close to us was the Geri.

Let me first correct you in something,
You first claimed Malassay were the tribe of ahmed so they were Karanle, nur was among them so you made Him Karanle
Using this:

Who ever wrote this is probably didn't even read the futuh

Malassay weren't a tribe as this guy claimed they were of different ethnic backgrounds but elite fighters
It was like Champions league you'll join if you're an elite fighter

Many of them have non-somali names and also many of them were convert to islam
They aren't one tribe.

Mx took advantage of a ruler who didnt preserve his tribal legacy.

"Karanle are taking advantage of a ruler who didnt preserve his tribal legacy" anyone could say the same
I myself believe the imam was Karanle but Nur ibn mujahid was not,
We as somalis do infact heavily rely on oral traditions
Hell the whole existence of the powerful ajuran empire is also oral, no writing manuscripts.
What even makes the oral tradition even way stronger is the fact that the people of the hararghe region believed he was marehan:

There's no scholar that says nur was karanle
Many says he was marehan tho
It's all hypothesis, Believing that Ahmed was Karanle is also hypothesis there's no clear evidence or surviving manuscripts about his tribe.
@Garaad Hirabu is an expert in this, idk alot about people's qabiils

Sidenote: Nur was related to ahmed on his maternal side, his sister married a guy who's supposedly a marehan that gave birth to nur ibn mujahid.

Amir Nur was Malassay commander at the time when the MX were hesitant to join the jihad.

So? The arab revolt was to free the arabs, many of them were against it and were helping the ottoman empire, were the arabs who helped the Ottomans turks?

Also here it mentions that the marehan leader was chosen as the leader of all somalis:

Translation:

"The Somalis, weary of the destruction inflicted on them went to the Imaam (Imaam Axmed), led by their (chosen) leader Hirabu. The Somalis with their leader concluded a complete peace with the Imaam.

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu."

Marehans might have been antagonistized several times
But that wouldn't change anything, Nur really Appears to be a marehan
Except if you have a better argument

My ears are open brother *don't use Malassay because they're not one tribe but a group of xoogsters of different ethnicities and qabils*

 

[Step a side]

Balaw just means “of Bedouin descent” but not necessarily Muslim. Eritrean Belaws were a hybrid of Bejas and Bedouins that were predominantly Christian. They’ve since been assimilated

You are right brother. The karanle are the balaw of harar (bedouins of harar plataeu).

I was telling people the fact that balaw means bedouin is in ethiopian chronicles and that arab faqih uses those ethiopian chronicle scriptures-like terms such as balaw and awraai which means leader for garaad abuun.

The fact that ethiopians in the 10th century called an egyptian man a balaw shows it refers to bedouin nomadic life, not necessarily a tribe name like the eritrean balaw who only appear after the 13th century. Eritrean balaws literally appear in texts no earlier than the 1200s, which means the 10th century use of the term balaw in ethiopian chronicles for an egyptian muslim turned christian gives precedence to the notion it means bedouin rather than a specific tribe

Harla were likely settled farmers like some RX while Somalis were transhumant meaning they roam from place to place and pick up farming in certain seasons