Ethiopian PM Desalegn: We have no intention of recognizing Somaliland

[TooMacaan]

Your prime minister said in TV interview (universal channel)last January that he wished Somalia, Djibouti joined his country.

And...?
Must I agree with everything the Ethiopian PM says???
Also my Prime Minister is Trudeau.

 

[Prince Abubu]

No, you could only make that argument if these two governments were even alike but they're completely different in mindset. You are telling me that the current regime loves the idea of greater Abyssinia soooo much that they initiated this whole ethnic federalism stuff???? Lol, that's hilarious.

The current regime is corrupt, incompetent and murderous. But it is composed of minority Tigray who want to develop their region by stealing all the resources and wealth from the other regions. However, the other ethnic groups like the Amharic and the Oromo* haven't let go of their imperialist expansionist ideology and they are even more dangerous if they get into power..

*The ones that live with the Amharic.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Dude...you literally wrote this: "Because they know if Somalis were to get their act together and unite they would become a strong nation. Ethiopia would become weak and irrelevant. Also if Somalia was to unite, then we would probably try take back Somali Galbeed, this is Ethiopias biggest fear, they know all the wealth and resources are found in K5."

Now, I'm not speaking from a personal standpoint(I am not informed enough about this specific matter and the history) but from a logical/practical standpoint...you yourself just argued that it would be in Ethiopia's best interests to do things the way they currently are. As a government, what are their duties? Is it to lead their country to prosperity? Are they fulfilling them?

As for greater Abyssinia, I don't know why you keep bringing it up. It is dead.

P.s. Oromo lands and Afar lands can't be compared to the Galbeed...you can make a case for the Galbeed returning to Somalia but there is no place for Oromo lands or Afar lands to go to. You should keep in mind that Ethiopia doesn't function the same way as Somalia; we have over 80 ethnic groups, we aren't a monolith. Afar live in Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Djibouti...they don't really have a "country". Oromos live in Ethiopia, Kenya, and some parts of the Galbeed and Somalia. Borders are a weird thing. at the end of the day it's about mentality also. Where does one feel like they belong?? (and that differs between and within groups).

I want the best for my people, to stop suffering and conflict the solution which is a strong SOMALIA for Somali people but the Ethiopian/Kenyan government can only see that as competition, If Somalis prosperse its at no ones expenses while your government does whatever it can to keep SOMALIA down as it's a threat to their monopoly.
Ethiopia is leading only its habesha minority to "proseperity".

 

[Ras]

Farmaajo is on a diplomatic offensive mission it seems.

It seems that way and I really hope he's genuine but he should be aware of the regional geopolitical landscape and realize standard diplomatic campaigns won't do.

He has still has a tiny bit of power he could scrape together and threaten to Ethiopia where it hurts... a few million dollars could fund a dozen "citizen advocacy" groups in strategic areas in Mama Ethiopia...

Really don't understand Ethiopia in this. Do they really think they can keep Somalia down for an eternity? The more they sabotage the country in it's current weak state the more enmity there'll be between the two nations.

This period of time in Somalia's history would've been a perfect opportunity for Ethiopia to help rebuild Somalia. We most likely would've come to a win-win agreement on our borders and put hundreds of years of conflict behind us in a single decade of altruism.

However their short-term policies could hurt their regime over the long term unless they keep every single person affiliated with Somalia down for an eternity.

 

[TooMacaan]

The current regime is corrupt, incompetent and murderous. But it is composed of minority Tigray who want to develop their region by stealing all the resources and wealth from the other regions. However, the other ethnic groups like the Amharic and the Oromo* haven't let go of their imperialist expansionist ideology and they are even more dangerous if they get into power..

*The ones that live with the Amharic.

There may be some Amhara/Oromo who think that way but it's merely a delusion and reality will force them to snap out of it soon enough. The conversation was about who is CURRENTLY in power though, not about hysteria based on the idea that the Amhara/Oromo imperialists may rise again (which is ridiculous when these groups can barely agree on anything and struggle even with feeding their own selves).

What I'm saying is, Somalia has nothing to fear from our current government. So when we are having this discussion, don't derail it by saying well if "the old imperialists come to power...". Why not just admit that anyone who believes the CURRENT regime is trying to push a "greater Abyssinia" and is a colonial threat of some sort......is just peddling a false conspiracy???

 

[Canuck]

And...?
Must I agree with everything the Ethiopian PM says???
Also my Prime Minister is Trudeau.

It proves that aggressive policy toward Somalia never changed even with your federal system

 

[TooMacaan]

I want the best for my people, to stop suffering and conflict the solution which is a strong SOMALIA for Somali people but the Ethiopian/Kenyan government can only see that as competition, If Somalis prosperse its at no ones expenses while your government does whatever it can to keep SOMALIA down as it's a threat to their monopoly.
Ethiopia is leading only its habesha minority to "proseperity".

Everyone wants the best for their people and to stop suffering/conflict. I hope both Ethiopia and Somalia can achieve that.
I agree that the fear of competition is a dangerous thing that prevents countries from cooperation and that is a sad thing.
Also, when I say I want prosperity for Ethiopia, I truly mean everyone; I don't care about for any "Habesha elitism"...if someone loves Ethiopia with all their heart and/or is willing to die to preserve the integrity/independence/legacy of Ethiopia, that is my brother/sister.

 

[Prince Abubu]

There may be some Amhara/Oromo who think that way but it's merely a delusion and reality will force them to snap out of it soon enough. The conversation was about who is CURRENTLY in power though, not about hysteria based on the idea that the Amhara/Oromo imperialists may rise again (which is ridiculous when these groups can barely agree on anything and struggle even with feeding their own selves).

What I'm saying is, Somalia has nothing to fear from our current government. So when we are having this discussion, don't derail it by saying well if "the old imperialists come to power...". Why not just admit that anyone who believes the CURRENT regime is trying to push a "greater Abyssinia" and is a colonial threat of some sort......is just peddling a false conspiracy???

Fine, if you want to talk about the current regime I will. A regime responsible for human rights abuses all over ethiopia, but especially in the Somali Galbeed and Oromo region. A government looting natural resources from Galbeed, but at the same time the Somali region along with Oromia being the poorest and least developed. A regime that has perfected the art of meddling in the affairs of my country, illegally invading periodically and either intimidating or bribing Somali politicians to manipulate the political landscape of Somaliland/Somalia. A regime that is actively looting the traditional farmlands of the Oromos in Addis Ababa to sell off to foreign contractors and corporations. A regime constantly antagonising its neighbours, whether Somalia, Somaliland, Eritrea, South Sudan etc and pretending to be a victim to garner sympathy from the apathetic West.

Need I continue...?

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Everyone wants the best for their people and to stop suffering/conflict. I hope both Ethiopia and Somalia can achieve that.
I agree that the fear of competition is a dangerous thing that prevents countries from cooperation and that is a sad thing.
Also, when I say I want prosperity for Ethiopia, I truly mean everyone; I don't care about for any "Habesha elitism"...if someone loves Ethiopia with all their heart and/or is willing to die to preserve the integrity/independence/legacy of Ethiopia, that is my brother/sister.

Difference is Whats best for Ethiopia is bad for Somalia.
The way Ethiopias is acting means an hostile responsie which they provoked.
Would you preserve a country who has caused the suffering of millions of people ?

 

[Ras]

The only thing that would solve the divide in the horn is a single unifying language. No large force, charismatic leader or foreign interference would ever be enough to avoid constant bickering and divisions between identity and etc.

 

[TooMacaan]

Difference is Whats best for Ethiopia is bad for Somalia.
The way Ethiopias is acting means an hostile responsie which they provoked.
Would you preserve a country who has caused the suffering of millions of people ?

According to history and even now, that is definitely the case("what's best for Ethiopia is bad for Somalia") and I find that very disheartening...so I hope our countries get to a point where ours interests can align (for the greater good of the innocent civilians, at least). Would I "preserve a country that's caused the suffering of millions of people"...? I don't believe it is the country that is to blame for that, that is actions of a government. I love my country and as much as the fact that bad things have been done in it's name, there have also been many good things as well and it has played a significant role in inspiring hope/change for a lot of people across the globe. Also, NO country/government is without blame; no country is completely innocent. Knowing that my ancestors fought and sacrificed their lives to preserve our identity and independence, I will never not love and wish the best for my country.

 

[TooMacaan]

The only thing that would solve the divide in the horn is a single unifying language. No large force, charismatic leader or foreign interference would ever be enough to avoid constant bickering and divisions between identity and etc.

I used to think like that(especially considering our situation) but I don't even know if that'll do any good tbh. Somalia has 1 language but it doesn't seem to be helping much, so how would that help unify the Horn...?

 

[Prince Abubu]

The only thing left for the horn is either you win or we win. Either we win and Somalize the horn or you win and Habashize it. Because the status quo is unsustainable.

 

[TooMacaan]

The only thing left for the horn is either you win or we win. Either we win and Somalize the horn or you win and Habashize it. Because the status quo is unsustainable.

What does "Somalize" even mean...? Somalia needs to be united first before you guys start dreaming of colonizing the Horn lol.
How about you stick to your borders and we stick to ours, ok? No one colonizes another. Let's let these imperialist dreams die.

 

[XamarCade]

What does "Somalize" even mean...? Somalia needs to be united first before you guys start dreaming of colonizing the Horn lol.
How about you stick to your borders and we stick to ours, ok? No one colonizes another. Let's let these imperialist dreams die.

Do u really believe that the Somali galbeed belongs to Ethiopia? And if so how

 

[TooMacaan]

Do u really believe that the Somali galbeed belongs to Ethiopia? And if so how

I didn't say the galbeed belong to Ethiopia and I've already said many times I'm not well enough informed on that part of the region and history to give a final comment. The Galbeed is not an immediate concern of Somalia anyhow as Somalia has greater issues that it should address. You even have SL wanting to separate and so much division among a people who all speak the same language and have the same culture...working on fixing that first before wanting to colonize Ethiopia (and by the way, that poster said "somalize the horn(meaning the non-Somali areas of Ethiopia) not take back the Galbeed).

 

[DrippinglyWet]

What does "Somalize" even mean...? Somalia needs to be united first before you guys start dreaming of colonizing the Horn lol.
How about you stick to your borders and we stick to ours, ok? No one colonizes another. Let's let these imperialist dreams die.

What does "Somalize" even mean...? Somalia needs to be united first before you guys start dreaming of colonizing the Horn lol.
How about you stick to your borders and we stick to ours, ok? No one colonizes another. Let's let these imperialist dreams die.

Mistreatment of Somalis in the galbeed for decades, invasion of '06, meddling in our political affaires, Somalis are at a boiling point. Somaliweyn is our destination not our dream and maybe along the way get even

 

[Ras]

I used to think like that(especially considering our situation) but I don't even know if that'll do any good tbh. Somalia has 1 language but it doesn't seem to be helping much, so how would that help unify the Horn...?

Somalia isn't the best example for this as it's a unique case. Somalia was more or less united when we started out but Ethiopia ended up funding clan based rebel groups after the Ogaden war which initially fueled the distrusts between the clans.

There are plenty of places with people with different ethnicity and tribes that unified as a single people through a unified language. German tribes spoke dozens of different languages until a single one united them all, as well as with China and Russia.

If we can't communicate with each other and share schools, workplaces and organisations then we'll always see each other as the other.

 

[TooMacaan]

Somalia isn't the best example for this as it's a unique case. Somalia was more or less united when we started out but Ethiopia ended up funding clan based rebel groups after the Ogaden war which initially fueled the distrusts between the clans.

There are plenty of places with people with different ethnicity and tribes that unified as a single people through a unified language. German tribes spoke dozens of different languages until a single one united them all, as well as with China and Russia.

If we can't communicate with each other and share schools, workplaces and organisations then we'll always see each other as the other.

Then it shows that clan division can overpower linguistic unity.
If Somalia can't unite, how can Ethiopia itself unite when we have 80+ ethnic groups...there will probably be ethnic division. There are already many groups who feel some time of way about having Amharic as an official language. Pride, competition, and resentment are keeping us backwards tbh... and if Somalia and Ethiopia can't deal with these individual problems, how will the Horn be expected to (since it depends on the cooperation of those two)?
As much as I'd love to see us united and helping each other, I have doubts sometimes.

 

[XamarCade]

I didn't say the galbeed belong to Ethiopia and I've already said many times I'm not well enough informed on that part of the region and history to give a final comment. The Galbeed is not an immediate concern of Somalia anyhow as Somalia has greater issues that it should address. You even have SL wanting to separate and so much division among a people who all speak the same language and have the same culture...working on fixing that first before wanting to colonize Ethiopia (and by the way, that poster said "somalize the horn(meaning the non-Somali areas of Ethiopia) not take back the Galbeed).

Stop lying saying Somalia is all breaking up, SL secession is slowly dying so I'm not too concerned about them, the problem in galbeed is that the Ethiopian government (that u support) is doing crimes against humanity against the Somali region, for u to just brush it of to say that it's none of my concern and I should only worry about somalia is really stupid and it confirms the true dangers u ppl (specifically amhaara) are to Somalis.