Gaalkacyo Open as one City

[waraabe]

You're forgetting whose President now. His mother come from my sub clan.

Farmaajo may not support his MX family as he isn't corrupt, but I can assure you that he supports his reer abti as he is Anti-Puntland and Anti-Somaliland. We on the other hand support a strong central Somalia and will be his main allies. He's already spoken to Ali Galaydh and it hasn't even been a week yet.

farmaajo came in on a qabiil neutral ticket, if one ounce of qabyaalad is seen he will be sent to ghetto faster the ali bile can beg in Hargeisa

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Even the celebrations there are negligible, the few who are happy for Farmaajo are those that used to believe in this ictiraaf business, but then have lost faith in it. They are a minority. And don't forget, that the vast majority view any Isaaq Wanlaweyn as traitors.

If Al Shabab were destroyed and uprooted, and these federal states were disintegrated into a central government/army ruling all of Somalia, then I can assure you that all of Somalis from Bay to Bari would be happy and relieved. Now, the difference between Somaliland and the rest of the Somali's federal states such as Puntland are negligible, so they may agree to become a federal state, but would the people accept it? I doubt it. There would be an uproot and these people who were indoctrinated for 25 years would hang these renegades.



That's the future, and the ruling class, which is everything. No idea how you can use the term "only".

Sxb, ur clannist side is coming out more and more. I saw it in the other thread about the Dervishes and now here as well. Anyway are you honestly telling us that the difference between Somaliland and other maamaul goboleeds like Puntland and Jubbaland when it comes to governmental institutions,government budget and levels of peace and security is negligible? Don't let qabiil blind u sxb. And on top of that you think Somaliland would rejoin the union just to be some federal state? lol. Wallahi sometimes I think there's some truth to what my fellow ISaaqs tell me when they say i'm a naive idealist for my unionist views.

Also, don't bother singling out the Isaaq, because neither the Isaaq nor the Daarood come out of this looking like true nationalists, only the Hawiye do for giving their votes to Farmaajo and giving him unprecedented support in Mogadishu. We know why many Daaroods can't contain themselves and are in a state of ecstatic euphoria (not all of course, some are nationalists). If u think their reaction would be the same if Farmaajo was Hawiye then ur dreaming. True story, my aunt saw an Ogaden guy she knows and they talked about Farmaajos victory. The guy says he literally cried when he got the news. My aunt said yes, Farmaajo seems like a good waddani man. She then said the Hawiye did a very good thing and showed their gobanimo by giving him many of their votes. Wallahi oo billahi the man went oooffff and almost started foaming at the mouth saying shit like 'Hawiye are animals, they are corrupt, qashin people, how dare u say they're good. ur only saying that because of Irirnimo (since my aunt is Isaaq).' He's a wadaad too mind you lol. That's just one example to show u not all the Daaroods r celebrating out of nationalism, but rather celebrating what they hope to be a return of the MOD regime lol.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

farmaajo came in on a qabiil neutral ticket, if one ounce of qabyaalad is seen he will be sent to ghetto faster the ali bile can beg in Hargeisa

He's a Somali nationalist that wants to unite the whole country in a central government, destroy al Shabab, change the status quo, and is completely against federalism. As you can see, both Somaliland and Puntland benefit from the status quo, want the country divided, the former used to support Al Shabab. And in between this darkness is a beacon of light, the Harti who are Somali nationalists that want what Farmaajo wants. It's just a coincidence that our interests are in line with each other.

This has nothing to do with qabiliyaad which must hurt you even more.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

He's a Somali nationalist that wants to unite the whole country in a central government, destroy al Shabab, change the status quo, and is completely against federalism. As you can see, both Somaliland and Puntland benefit from the status quo, want the country divided, the former used to support Al Shabab. And in between this darkness is a beacon of light, the Harti who are Somali nationalists that want what Farmaajo wants. It's just a coincidence that our interests are in line with each other.

This has nothing to do with qabiliyaad which must hurt you even more.

Ah yes, once again giving ur clan the higher moral ground and absolving them of qabyaalad and branding them nationalists lol. If u honestly believe that most Dhulbahantes are opposed to Somaliland out of true nationalism and not because they cannot stand the idea of being a minority to an Isaaq dominated Somaliland then ur truly delusional.

True Somali nationalists are few and far between within the very clannish clans of Isaaq and Daarood. Hawiye are not as beholden to Qabiil as we r, but unfortunatey many of their leaders put their pockets first before the country (though to be fair many of ours do the same). But when Isaaq and Daarood do produce nationalists they seem to be die-hard.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Sxb, ur clannist side is coming out more and more. I saw it in the other thread about the Dervishes and now here as well. Anyway are you honestly telling us that the difference between Somaliland and other maamaul goboleeds like Puntland nad Jubbaland when it comes to governmental institutions,government budget and levels of peace and security is negligible? Don't let qabiil blind u sxb. And on top of that you think Somaliland would rejoin the union just to be some federal state? lol. Wallahi sometimes I think there's some truth to what my fellow ISaaqs tell me when they say i'm a naive idealist for my unionist views.

There will be two federal states, one between the land between where Puntland and Somaliland claim, and the rest of Somaliland. That's all there is to offer you. You are an unrecognized country, whose entire argument is based on "injustice(even though the SNM was formed before any injustice occurred)" and old meaningless colonial borders. Give me an exact reason why you deserve to be more than a maamaul goboleed? What exactly is different between you and Puntland?

Also, don't bother singling out the Isaaq, because neither the Isaaq nor the Daarood come out of this looking like true nationalists, only the Hawiye do for giving their votes to Farmaajo and giving him unprecedented support in Mogadishu. We know why many Daaroods can't contain themselves and are in a state of ecstatic euphoria (not all of course, some are nationalists). If u think their reaction would be the same if Farmaajo was Hawiye then ur dreaming. True story, my aunt saw an Ogaden guy she knows and they talked about Farmaajos victory. The guy says he literally cried when he got the news. My aunt said yes, Farmaajo seems like a good waddani man. She then said the Hawiye did a very good thing and showed their gobanimo by giving him many of their votes. Wallahi oo billahi the man went oooffff and almost started foaming at the mouth saying shit like 'Hawiye are animals, they are corrupt, qashin people, how dare u say they're good. ur only saying that because of Irirnimo (since my aunt is Isaaq).' He's a wadaad too mind you lol. That's just one example to show u not all the Daaroods r celebrating out of nationalism, but rather celebrating what they hope to be a return of the MOD regime lol.

Somalinimo has been restored in ALL of Somalia's land. Xamar has always been the most nationalist city in Somalia way before Farmaajo. It's nothing new. Whether Farmaajo is Hawiye, D&M, or Dir makes no difference in my eyes. I read his thesis and both me and him see eye to eye in pretty much everything. As of now, I see him as the best leader of Somalia ever since independence. What you need to understand is that Farmaajo did not even get much of Darood's vote, and even MX because there would be no benefit in him becoming President for them since he isn't corrupt. So if anything, if we were qabilists then we would be against him.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

You are an unrecognized country, whose entire argument is based on "injustice(even though the SNM was formed before any injustice occurred)" .

loool, Yo fam forget everything else, did u get that line of argument from me when I was arguing with my fellow Isaaqs a couple weeks back or did you already know this? Be honest. If u did I'm not even mad, I just find it funny and ironic in a way that it would be used against me now haha.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

loool, Yo fam forget everything else, did u get that line of argument from me when I was arguing with my fellow Isaaqs a couple weeks back or did you already know this? Be honest. If u did I'm not even mad, I just find it funny and ironic in a way that it would be used against me now haha.

It's common knowledge that both SSDF and SNM were formed before Barre committed any real injustice against them. Not that I condone poisoning wells, or raining bombs against civilians, but he didn't do that because of qabyaalad but because he was as ruthless dictator that would crush opposition. In fact, most Isaaq were against SNM and were Barre fanboys before 1988. The people who formed and wanted to revolt against him were qurbo-joogs (just like how today they are the same ones advocating for war whilst living peacefully in the West).

What did you say?

 

[jugjugwacwac]

It's common knowledge that both SSDF and SNM were formed before Barre committed any injustice against them. Not that I condone poisoning wells, or raining bombs against civilians, but he didn't do that because of qabiliyaad but because he was as ruthless dictator that would crush opposition. In fact, most Isaaq were against SNM before 1988.

What did you say?

I said the exact same thing u said here. Though to be honest the Isaaqs did have a problem with some Ogaden militias armed by Siyaad Barre to fight the Xabashis who then went rogue and started targeting ISaaq nomads in the hawd (we'd probably do the same to them if we received arms, we're all savages lol). I've also read and heard about the Ogden refugees settled in the north after the Ethiopian war being given preferential treatment by the regime over the Isaaq. I don't know how serious any of this was or if any of it truly justified a full-on rebellion against the state, I personally doubt it. But even if it didn't justify it, there's no rule that says u have to have a very good reason to overthrow a government. Siyaad Barre didnt when he staged his coup, but luckily his was bloodless. So I don't blame SNM,USC, SPM and SSDF for trying to topple the regime, I blame them for toppling the regime and plunging us into civil war, famine, tahriib, disunity and being Ethiopia and Kenyas . If they got rid of Siyaad and quickly formed a unity government all would be well for Somalis and Somalia.

 

[Galaeri]

Sxb, ur clannist side is coming out more and more. I saw it in the other thread about the Dervishes and now here as well. Anyway are you honestly telling us that the difference between Somaliland and other maamaul goboleeds like Puntland and Jubbaland when it comes to governmental institutions,government budget and levels of peace and security is negligible? Don't let qabiil blind u sxb. And on top of that you think Somaliland would rejoin the union just to be some federal state? lol. Wallahi sometimes I think there's some truth to what my fellow ISaaqs tell me when they say i'm a naive idealist for my unionist views.

Also, don't bother singling out the Isaaq, because neither the Isaaq nor the Daarood come out of this looking like true nationalists, only the Hawiye do for giving their votes to Farmaajo and giving him unprecedented support in Mogadishu. We know why many Daaroods can't contain themselves and are in a state of ecstatic euphoria (not all of course, some are nationalists). If u think their reaction would be the same if Farmaajo was Hawiye then ur dreaming. True story, my aunt saw an Ogaden guy she knows and they talked about Farmaajos victory. The guy says he literally cried when he got the news. My aunt said yes, Farmaajo seems like a good waddani man. She then said the Hawiye did a very good thing and showed their gobanimo by giving him many of their votes. Wallahi oo billahi the man went oooffff and almost started foaming at the mouth saying shit like 'Hawiye are animals, they are corrupt, qashin people, how dare u say they're good. ur only saying that because of Irirnimo (since my aunt is Isaaq).' He's a wadaad too mind you lol. That's just one example to show u not all the Daaroods r celebrating out of nationalism, but rather celebrating what they hope to be a return of the MOD regime lol.

That guy sounds like the typical qabiilist that clings onto those narratives for dear life (our situation today is primarily due xyz clan only and we are better than them lol). You will encounter this kind of trash very regularly. They have a very simplistic understanding of what took place in the civil war and just don't know any better. Some of them are people with real grievances from the 90s (slain family etc.), but most of them are just typical qabiilists.

It's not a good sign when someone is a wadaad and is full of hate lmao.

 

[Abdalla]

kkkkk I thought this thread was about Gaalkacyo? wtf happened and where did it get derailed

 

[jugjugwacwac]

That guy sounds like the typical qabiilist that clings onto those narratives for dear life (our situation today is primarily due xyz clan only and we are better than them lol). You will encounter this kind of trash very regularly. They have a very simplistic understanding of what took place in the civil war and just don't know any better. Some of them are people with real grievances from the 90s (slain family etc.), but most of them are just typical qabiilists.

It's not a good sign when someone is a wadaad and is full of hate lmao.

Absolutely sxb.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

kkkkk I thought this thread was about Gaalkacyo? wtf happened and where did it get derailed

May Allah make this truly a new beginning for the people of Gaalkacyo. I never want to hear of a clash between Habar Gidir and Majeerteen/Laylkase miltias ever again.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

kkkkk I thought this thread was about Gaalkacyo? wtf happened and where did it get derailed

You think Somalis are going to stick to one issue in an orderly fashion? You funny!

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I said the exact same thing u said here. Though to be honest the Isaaqs did have a problem with some Ogaden militias armed by Siyaad Barre to fight the Xabashis who then went rogue and started targeting ISaaq nomads in the hawd. I've also read and heard about the Ogden refugees settled in the north after the Ethiopian war being given preferential treatment by the regime over the Isaaq.

After the defeat of the war, it pretty much led to the demise of the regime. The regime was built on nationalism, all of Somalis were united in the onset of the war, and its destruction meant the resurrection of old feuds between Somalis. No doubt that this was injustice if it occurred probably due to low moral after the war, and this unfortunately was the primitive way of our ancestors before colonials entered our country. Even if Barre gave special treatment towards the Ogaden over the Isaaq in the North, you need to understand that after the MJ tried to revolt against him he became paranoid and wanted to cement his power. He was a secular dictator who only cared about keeping his seat, and in his last decade that meant resorting back to what he was condemning. The MOD alliance was built on loyalty, not qabyaalad.

I don't know how serious any of this was or if any of it truly justified a full-on rebellion against the state, I personally doubt it. But even if it didn't justify it, there's no rule that says u have to have a very good reason to overthrow a government. Siyaad Barre didnt when he staged his coup, but luckily his was bloodless. So I don't blame SNM,USC, SPM and SSDF for trying to topple the regime, I blame them for toppling the regime and plunging us into civil war, famine, tahriib, disunity and being Ethiopia and Kenyas . If they got rid of Siyaad and quickly formed a unity government all would be well for Somalis and Somalia.

His time was pretty much up after the war, and the regime was surviving on the US's financial loans and military support. The second the Soviet collapsed, The US seized all support to Somalia and the same year, Barre was overthrown. If he died a natural death, and the rebels didn't form, the government would have collapsed either way. And we would be blaming Barre instead of the rebel groups in this alternative history. The warlords cemented all their powers in everywhere but konfuur. Both Somaliland/PL formed their own states not because of their competence, but because their lands are far from the capital, and are more homogeneous. Either a sub clan populates the majority of the land(PL), or one clan are all populated in close proximity to each other, make the majority and can dominate the rest in their unity(SL). Both were supported by enemies of Somalia(Ethiopia), and both benefit from the conflict in konfuur(which is likewise, inline with Ethiopia's interests), and wish for the status quo to remain. So when I attacked Isaaq(even then there are exceptions such as many Garxajis), as I said the innocents are not to blame but the elites who duped them. Whilst you accused me of qabyalaad for not stating the same for my sub clan, the reality is that we don't have a leadership that benefits from the destruction in the South, and we wish for the unity of all of Somalia. Is it because we are better than you? No, frankly it's because we just aligned ourselves with PL who duped us into believing it was a Harti state whilst they eventually showed no regard for us, and dealt with SL on the low.

Back to the question, if your state was built because of the injustice of Barre, then why did you not choose to unite after he was removed? Aideed offered you the PM position, but you chose to reject? Why? If that's your argument, then D&M who went through a man made famine by Aideed, or Darood who were exterminated in Xamar have a stronger argument to independence since Hawiye are the ones that are now in power, whereas Barre was overthrown. And why do you chose to include Harti lands even though we don't share the same vision as you, yet you claim to be innocents who went through injustice when you're doing the same thing? You still haven't shown why you deserve to be anything more than a maamaul goboleed by the way.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

After the defeat of the war, it pretty much led to the demise of the regime. The regime was built on nationalism, all of Somalis were united in the onset of the war, and its destruction meant the resurrection of old feuds between Somalis. No doubt that this was injustice if it occurred probably due to low moral after the war, and this unfortunately was the primitive way of our ancestors before colonials entered our country. Even if Barre gave special treatment towards the Ogaden over the Isaaq in the North, you need to understand that after the MJ tried to revolt against him he became paranoid and wanted to cement his power. He was a secular dictator who only cared about keeping his seat, and in his last decade that meant resorting back to what he was condemning. The MOD alliance was built on loyalty, not qabyaalad.


His time was pretty much up after the war, and the regime was surviving on the US's financial loans and military support. The second the Soviet collapsed, The US seized all support to Somalia and the same year, Barre was overthrown. If he died a natural death, and the rebels didn't form, the government would have collapsed either way. And we would be blaming Barre instead of the rebel groups in this alternative history. The warlords cemented all their powers in everywhere but konfuur. Both Somaliland/PL formed their own states not because of their competence, but because their lands are far from the capital, and are more homogeneous. Either a sub clan populates the majority of the land(PL), or one clan are all populated in close proximity to each other, make the majority and can dominate the rest in their unity(SL). Both were supported by enemies of Somalia(Ethiopia), and both benefit from the conflict in konfuur(which is likewise, inline with Ethiopia's interests), and wish for the status quo to remain. So when I attacked Isaaq(even then there are exceptions such as many Garxajis), as I said the innocents are not to blame but the elites who duped them. Whilst you accused me of qabyalaad for not stating the same for my sub clan, the reality is that we don't have a leadership that benefits from the destruction in the South, and we wish for the unity of all of Somalia. Is it because we are better than you? No, frankly it's because we just aligned ourselves with PL who duped us into believing it was a Harti state whilst they eventually showed no regard for us, and dealt with SL on the low.

Back to the question, if your state was built because of the injustice of Barre, then why did you not choose to unite after he was removed? Aideed offered you the PM position, but you chose to reject? Why? If that's your argument, then D&M who went through a man made famine by Aideed, or Darood who were exterminated in Xamar have a stronger argument to independence since Hawiye are the ones that are now in power, whereas Barre was overthrown. And why do you chose to include Harti lands even though we don't share the same vision as you, yet you claim to be innocents who went through injustice when you're doing the same thing? You still haven't shown why you deserve to be anything more than a maamaul goboleed by the way.

After the defeat of the war, it pretty much led to the demise of the regime. The regime was built on nationalism, all of Somalis were united in the onset of the war, and its destruction meant the resurrection of old feuds between Somalis. No doubt that this was injustice if it occurred probably due to low moral after the war, and this unfortunately was the primitive way of our ancestors before colonials entered our country. Even if Barre gave special treatment towards the Ogaden over the Isaaq in the North, you need to understand that after the MJ tried to revolt against him he became paranoid and wanted to cement his power. He was a secular dictator who only cared about keeping his seat, and in his last decade that meant resorting back to what he was condemning. The MOD alliance was built on loyalty, not qabyaalad.


His time was pretty much up after the war, and the regime was surviving on the US's financial loans and military support. The second the Soviet collapsed, The US seized all support to Somalia and the same year, Barre was overthrown. If he died a natural death, and the rebels didn't form, the government would have collapsed either way. And we would be blaming Barre instead of the rebel groups in this alternative history. The warlords cemented all their powers in everywhere but konfuur. Both Somaliland/PL formed their own states not because of their competence, but because their lands are far from the capital, and are more homogeneous. Either a sub clan populates the majority of the land(PL), or one clan are all populated in close proximity to each other, make the majority and can dominate the rest in their unity(SL). Both were supported by enemies of Somalia(Ethiopia), and both benefit from the conflict in konfuur(which is likewise, inline with Ethiopia's interests), and wish for the status quo to remain. So when I attacked Isaaq(even then there are exceptions such as many Garxajis), as I said the innocents are not to blame but the elites who duped them. Whilst you accused me of qabyalaad for not stating the same for my sub clan, the reality is that we don't have a leadership that benefits from the destruction in the South, and we wish for the unity of all of Somalia. Is it because we are better than you? No, frankly it's because we just aligned ourselves with PL who duped us into believing it was a Harti state whilst they eventually showed no regard for us, and dealt with SL on the low.

Back to the question, if your state was built because of the injustice of Barre, then why did you not choose to unite after he was removed? Aideed offered you the PM position, but you chose to reject? Why? If that's your argument, then D&M who went through a man made famine by Aideed, or Darood who were exterminated in Xamar have a stronger argument to independence since Hawiye are the ones that are now in power, whereas Barre was overthrown. And why do you chose to include Harti lands even though we don't share the same vision as you, yet you claim to be innocents who went through injustice when you're doing the same thing? You still haven't shown why you deserve to be anything more than a maamaul goboleed by the way.

So u admit the Dhulbahante are just as clannish as the Isaaq and MJ, and only espouse nationalism because it benefits their clan interests. If that's the case then we're in full agreement, cuz I agree with everything else u wrote.

I dont know why ur asking me those questions at the end, everyone on somalispot and somnet know I'm a unionist.

Sxb as for ur suggestion that Somaliland should join Somalia as a federal state like jubbaland and puntland, honestly it's just ludicrous. The Somali republic itself was created through the union of British Somaliland and Italian Somalia. So for u to expect the first Somali region to gain independence and recognized as a country, the region that spearheaded the union by bringing a delegation and Somali flag to the south, a region that is one part of what is known as 'shanta soomaaliyeed' represented by the white star to be on the same level as federal states created within the last few years or decades is unbelievable.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

So u admit the Dhulbahante are just as clannish as the Isaaq and MJ, and only espouse nationalism because it benefits their clan interests. If that's the case then we're in full agreement, cuz I agree with everything else u wrote.

I dont know why ur asking me those questions at the end, everyone on somalispot and somnet know I'm a unionist.

Sxb as for ur suggestion that Somaliland should join Somalia as a federal state like jubbaland and puntland, honestly it's just ludicrous. The Somali republic itself was created through the union of British Somaliland and Italian Somalia. So for u to expect the first Somali region to gain independence and recognized as a country, the region that spearheaded the union by bringing a delegation and Somali flag to the south, a region that is one part of what is known as 'shanta soomaaliyeed' represented by the white star to be on the same level as federal states created within the last few years or decades is unbelievable.

The Somaliland of today is not the same Somaliland that joined to form the Somali republic. That Somaliland has been dissolved to form one country many decades ago. Internationally, you are not recognized as being the successor state of the British Somaliland protectorate either. If you united today, then whats to stop another rebel group against this "union" forming and declaring themselves to be the successor of the protectorate who are independent?

Is your population significantly larger than Jubbaland, or Puntland? Is your land better? What exactly makes you deserving of 40 % of everything?

 

[waraabe]

 

[maestro]

So u admit the Dhulbahante are just as clannish as the Isaaq and MJ, and only espouse nationalism because it benefits their clan interests. If that's the case then we're in full agreement, cuz I agree with everything else u wrote.

I dont know why ur asking me those questions at the end, everyone on somalispot and somnet know I'm a unionist.

Sxb as for ur suggestion that Somaliland should join Somalia as a federal state like jubbaland and puntland, honestly it's just ludicrous. The Somali republic itself was created through the union of British Somaliland and Italian Somalia. So for u to expect the first Somali region to gain independence and recognized as a country, the region that spearheaded the union by bringing a delegation and Somali flag to the south, a region that is one part of what is known as 'shanta soomaaliyeed' represented by the white star to be on the same level as federal states created within the last few years or decades is unbelievable.

This is an interesting thread. Hope the mods move it and not delete it if it has been derailed but let's just imagine for a moment that Ethiopia suddenly gives that occupied land to Somalia. How would it have been treated? Would it be treated as another federal state even though it's absurdly large compared to the rest and has a significantly larger population or would they have treated it differently as you suggest for SL? Would every thing have been split 33% amongst the 3 parts of 5ta Somalia even though all three regions have varying populations? Add NFD to the mix and you got an irrelevant sparsely populated piece of land getting a quarter of state resource if we hold each of the 5 Somali regions as equal.

 

[Bahal]

Anyway to further derail the thread, from the Guardian:

Critics say Mohamed, who is better known as Farmajo, is inexperienced and worry his fiercely independent views could rile neighbouring countries such as Ethiopia and Kenya. Both nations are major contributors to a regional peacekeeping force in Somalia

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Anyway to further derail the thread, from the Guardian:

"Peacekeeping" They need us in a constant state of war to their own benefit, they fear a united Somalia. Somalia will unite!