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Araabi

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Most Somalis from the Isaaq and Darood communities want to be Arabs. The easiest way for our Isaaq and Darood colleagues to be accepted by lighter skin Arabs is to claim partial slave ancestry. Remember most Arabs equate slavery to blackness. Therefore the Isaaq and Darood have to accept that they will be seen as being partially of black slave origin amongst most if not all Arabs.

Dir and Hawiye don't have this problem. This is an issue for Darood and Isaaq to sort out.
 
But back then you had Arab, Turkic, persian, roman/Byzantium slaves etc You had a wide diverse pool so this wasn't limited to Black people which were usually Zanj or Habash

Look up how how Arabs back then spoke about those other groups, at one poin most slaves were actually ''white'' it was seen as synonymous with slavery in the Arab world because they made up the majority at certain times.
True but these slaves served a different purpose. Turks were military slaves . The persisna and byzantine were people who came from anicent and sophisticated civilizations who the arabs copied from their models of governance to their literature. Whereas Africans are described as savages with no civilization . This is a massive difference. In most non African societies lighter skin and lighter hair is the beauty standard. And when the arabs adopted byzantine and persian culture. This became even more deeply ingrained .
 

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True but these slaves served a different purpose. Turks were military slaves . The persisna and byzantine were people who came from anicent and sophisticated civilizations who the arabs copied from their models of governance to their literature. Whereas Africans are described as savages with no civilization . This is a massive difference. In most non African societies lighter skin and lighter hair is the beauty standard. And when the arabs adopted byzantine and persian culture. This became even more deeply ingrained .
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Idilinaa

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True but these slaves served a different purpose. Turks were military slaves . The persisna and byzantine were people who came from anicent and sophisticated civilizations who the arabs copied from their models of governance to their literature. Whereas Africans are described as savages with no civilization . This is a massive difference. In most non African societies lighter skin and lighter hair is the beauty standard. And when the arabs adopted byzantine and persian culture. This became even more deeply ingrained .

Are you talking about Zanj? They generally describe them as such but they also described Europeans in similar ways, they saw them as uncivilized, savage, barbaric and filthy, sexually immoral ,unintelligent, violent etc

Look through this summary

A lot of times it also just seems like they are describe non-muslims generally in a negative light or describe societies that differ from their own Arab centric vantage point.
 
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Idilinaa

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I'm not too sure but keep in mind that aksum seems to have declined soon after the the arab conquests. I think by like 700 a.d they were gone. Also aksum was never really on the level or even close to the byzantine and persian empires.

I disagree it was seen as one of the 4 great powers of the world. It was on the same level that it also was a ''high civilization'' but not on the same level in extant and power.

Axumites controlled a large portions of southern Arabia from 515 to 578 until the Persians fought them out but mostly through the reinforcement of the Romans a fact a lot of people leave out
 
I disagree it was seen as one of the 4 great powers of the world. It was on the same level that it also was a ''high civilization'' but not on the same level in extant and power.

Axumites controlled a large portions of southern Arabia from 515 to 578 until the Persians fought them out but mostly through the reinforcement of the Romans a fact a lot of people leave out
Yeah but the more i think about it the more i realize it's an insane comparison to make. The other three great powers are rome, persia, and china, . The smallest of these three great empires was persia and they had over 10 million people. That's over 10 times aksums pouplation and that's assuming the pouplation was actually 1 million people. There's also the fact that their territory was incredibly small. In comparison to the other 3 especially when you factor in most of souther arabia is just uninhabitable desert. I dont even want to get into the fact that the sheer amount of surving artifacts from these other great powers is like 10-100 times any aksumite stuff we found.
 
Are you talking about Zanj? They generally describe them as such but they also described Europeans in similar ways, they saw them as uncivilized, savage, barbaric and filthy, sexually immoral ,unintelligent, violent etc

Look through this summary

A lot of times it also just seems like they are describe non-muslims generally in a negative light or describe societies that differ from their own Arab centric vantage point.
Nah they saw the franks(northern euroepan as savages) southern Europens and the byzantine were considered their equals. That was also only in the early islamid period. A lot of the crusaders were franks and by then they weren't consdier savages since these are the same guys who were able to invade and take over muslim land.
 

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The longer we deny it, the more silly it is. I think it's about time we reflect and be proud in spite of tragedy.

For how long can we deny that Somalis were enslaved by Arabs? We need to come to terms with it sooner or later.
Give us sources
 

Aurelian

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lol why do shias portray him with white skin
Ali probably had average Saudi Arab skin tune. The portraits aren't accurate, and it depends on the guy drawing it. Ali in these portraits for example is youthful, strong and fit, which are in contradictory to how he looked, at least during fitna period.
 

Idilinaa

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Nah they saw the franks(northern euroepan as savages) southern Europens and the byzantine were considered their equals. That was also only in the early islamid period. A lot of the crusaders were franks and by then they weren't consdier savages since these are the same guys who were able to invade and take over muslim land.

They also saw the Scandinavian Vikings like Franks as well, called filthy and savages.

You know what you are actually right, that religion explanation wont really hold up when they don't speak of Greeks and Byzantine Romans the same way.

The Romans as Viewed by Arabic Authors in the 9th Century

https://www.richtmann.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/download/11322/10930

Yeah but the more i think about it the more i realize it's an insane comparison to make. The other three great powers are rome, persia, and china, . The smallest of these three great empires was persia and they had over 10 million people. That's over 10 times aksums pouplation and that's assuming the pouplation was actually 1 million people. There's also the fact that their territory was incredibly small. In comparison to the other 3 especially when you factor in most of souther arabia is just uninhabitable desert. I dont even want to get into the fact that the sheer amount of surving artifacts from these other great powers is like 10-100 times any aksumite stuff we found.

Their territory was not small, take a portion of the horn landmass and place it onto Europe's and the expanse will be seen as an empire anywhere else.


Didn't they say that only 2% of Axum areas are even surveyed or excavated?
'' Speaking of archaeology, apparently only 2% Axum's areas of historical importance have been excavated or surveyed.

And that 95% of the city of Axum is buried?
Due to this fact, 95% of the archaeological evidence, which lies beneath the currently inhabited city, cannot be explored.

Do you have have study that goes into Axumite? if you do i want to know more on it
 
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They also saw the Scandinavian Vikings like Franks as well, called filthy and savages.

You know what you are actually right, that religion explanation wont really hold up when they don't speak of Greeks and Byzantine Romans the same way.

The Romans as Viewed by Arabic Authors in the 9th Century

https://www.richtmann.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/download/11322/10930



Their territory was not small, take a portion of the horn landmass and place it onto Europe's and the expanse will be seen as an empire anywhere else.


Didn't they say that only 2% of Axum areas are even surveyed or excavated?


And that 95% of the city of Axum is buried?


Do you have have study that goes into Axumite? if you do i want to know more on it
But aksum didn't control all of ethiopia . It was only the tigray and the northern parts of the amhara region not even the whole region. They also only controlled souther arabian and the hejaz. Both regions didn't have a large pouplation either. Also iran itself is almost same size as modern ethiopia. The persian empire was a lot larger than just modern iran. It also lots of large cities. The aksumites only had aksum we haven't found any other big city .
 

Idilinaa

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But aksum didn't control all of ethiopia . It was only the tigray and the northern parts of the amhara region not even the whole region. They also only controlled souther arabian and the hejaz. Both regions didn't have a large pouplation either. Also iran itself is almost same size as modern ethiopia. The persian empire was a lot larger than just modern iran. It also lots of large cities. The aksumites only had aksum we haven't found any other big city .

I know that but it's still a pretty sizeable territory. That would cover roughly 4- 5 modern day European countries.

They haven't excavated much of it yet for us to know, there is also the city of Yeha, later it incorporated Adulis and Matara.
 
By the way for your info, Abu Dharr al Ghifari, the sahabi who had the incident with Bilal was described as black in complexion himself.

As for modern Arabs or Arabised peoples often having a mediterranean appearance, that is due to intermixing that happened. Pure bedouins that retain more Natufian like ancestry do not look like that. They would be considered Caucasian by craniofacial measurements and hair type, but their complexion was much darker.

Its not surprising either, as even us Somalis who have a substantial amount of ancient East African ancestry produce mediterranean looking offspring within one generation of mixing with a European type ethnicity.
Look at the the Rashaida people of Eritrea and Sudan those are the true Arabs with the highest natufian ancestry they are dark skinned they look different from this gulf Arabs
 

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They also saw the Scandinavian Vikings like Franks as well, called filthy and savages.

You know what you are actually right, that religion explanation wont really hold up when they don't speak of Greeks and Byzantine Romans the same way.

The Romans as Viewed by Arabic Authors in the 9th Century

https://www.richtmann.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/download/11322/10930



Their territory was not small, take a portion of the horn landmass and place it onto Europe's and the expanse will be seen as an empire anywhere else.


Didn't they say that only 2% of Axum areas are even surveyed or excavated?


And that 95% of the city of Axum is buried?


Do you have have study that goes into Axumite? if you do i want to know more on it
Same thing in Somalia but even worse. In Opone, not even a single percent has been excavated of the ancient city. Much less larger more important cities like Mosylon or Rhapta.
 
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I disagree it was seen as one of the 4 great powers of the world. It was on the same level that it also was a ''high civilization'' but not on the same level in extant and power.

Axumites controlled a large portions of southern Arabia from 515 to 578 until the Persians fought them out but mostly through the reinforcement of the Romans a fact a lot of people leave out


I did not realize this until listening to this lecture recently.

He emphasized the ties they had to the Romans, and that part of the reason the Hijra was directed there is it was the last region the Persians did not control. It was the last region that could be escaped to if they attacked Arabia after they defeated the Romans in Damascus and Alexandria. This is while they already controlled Yemen and Iraq, they basically had Arabia surrounded.


 
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