Have you ever encountered this?

[Grigori Rasputin]

??? HAHAHHAHA. I didn't know he did that! HAHAHHAHAHAHA! Astaghfirullah... These guys don't believe in God, I'm sure. There's no way they'd believe in Allah and hell and still do stuff like that. $1m wedding while you rule a poor 3rd world country...

You don't have to look far to see how absolute power absolutely corrupted him by just looking at how he has been on power for the past 18 years. Once a ruler passes beyond 8 years it is a sign that the dictator associates a new found lifestyle with staying on power. He can't imagine not being worshipped and not being able to meet world leaders and not flying to elite capital cities. These type of leaders also are deathly scared of letting go of power and the next ruler being a honest ruler who digs into what he has been up to and going to prison for it.

I am not against all dictators but it is a rarity to see a dictator like Paul Kagame. I think you should study him.


Are you a female? Please answer the question

 

[Shimbiris]

Was that question for me or, you are still processing me to leave?

If I want to address you, I'll be direct about it.

If it was a question, Somali as an ethnic group, it only existed for foreigners, academia and pseudo science to identify us as a group, but for Somalis, we identify with our clans and despise sharing ethnicity. Case Number 1=Somalia. Why is she retarded?

Lol, you're delusional. Somalis themselves understood their relation to one another and our dialects of Af-Maxa being indeed mere dialects of the same language speaks for itself, as do our culture and barely distinguishable looks. We basically fit the criterion for what qualifies as an "ethnic group". There's no debating any of this unless one wishes to be retarded, like you, and just deny facts as pseudoscience or something. Anyway, please don't bother replying. I have no brain cells to spare for morons like yourself this long after sundown and this far away from dawn.

But thank you, you technically answered this thread's question. There are more people like her, apparently. ROFL

Are you a female? Please answer the question

I'm male.

You don't have to look far to see how absolute power absolutely corrupted him by just looking at how he has been on power for the past 18 years. Once a ruler passes beyond 8 years it is a sign that the dictator associates a new found lifestyle with staying on power. He can't imagine not being worshipped and not being able to meet world leaders and not flying to elite capital cities. These type of leaders also are deathly scared of letting go of power and the next ruler being a honest ruler who digs into what he has been up to and going to prison for it.

Agreed with everything said here.

I am not against all dictators but it is a rarity to see a dictator like Paul Kagame. I think you should study him

Never read much on Kagame. Thanks for the recommendation.

 

[AussieHustler]

If I want to address you, I'll be direct about it.



Lol, you're delusional. Somalis themselves understood their relation to one another and our dialects of Af-Maxa being indeed mere dialects of the same language speaks for itself, as do our culture and barely distinguishable looks. We basically fit the criterion for what qualifies as an "ethnic group". There's no debating any of this unless one wishes to be retarded, like you, and just deny facts as pseudoscience or something. Anyway, please don't bother replying. I have no brain cells to spare for morons like yourself this long after sundown and this far away from dawn.

But thank you, you technically answered this thread's question. There are more people like her, apparently. ROFL



I'm male.



Agreed with everything said here.



Never read much on Kagame. Thanks for the recommendation.

Sa'azana

I wished I was a female, but hey, maybe in next life. Jokes aside, I know you are kind enough to listen to morons like me, but you just regurgitated the point I raised above, our ethnicity is all based on theory aka academia nowadays, but not in practise in Struggle Rd in Hargeisa, Mogadishu, Bosaso, Baidoa or Kismayo. Some of us claim to be descended from Turks, others from Iran, Yemenis, Hijazis, North Africans and there is a group here who claim, they are Greeks. These claims are all based on clanship. In terms of "af maxaa", people were forced upon to accept it to become the Somali national language during the last regime prior to the Civil War and one of my early Somali heroes has allegedly murdered thousands of Somalis for speaking their endoglossic language. Are we ethnically Somali? Maybe, yes, maybe, no. Jiboutians are better off to create their own ethnicity because project Somali ethnicity failed.

 

[Shimbiris]

Jokes aside, I know you are kind enough to listen to morons like me, but you just regurgitated the point I raised above, our ethnicity is all based on theory aka academia nowadays

Nope, it isn't. The idea that we are a distinct people of our own is not owed to academics at all. The Arab who wrote the Futuh al-Habasha and called all the distinct clans in it "Somali" or the Brits who trounced around our lands during the 19th century who also referred to us as "Somali" did not get that idea or terminology from their bum-holes. It was obviously a noticeable identity the local people passed onto foreigners due to being aware of it themselves.

Also, if you have anything against academics and their writings; come up with actual reasons for what's wrong with what they share. Don't post some regular gay shit like "It's pseudoscience" or "I don't like it or agree with it.". No, explain why the dialects of Somali don't form a single language. Explain why Somalis look essentially the same in terms of autosomal DNA every-time they get their genomes sequenced (unless they're recently out-mixed), implying a common ancestral origin. Actually make intelligent critiques and share counter-evidence, don't just do the opposite of appeal to authority and dismiss something because some academic said or wrote it, like an idiot.

Some of us claim to be descended from Turks, others from Iran, Yemenis, Hijazis, North Africans and there is a group here who claim, they are Greeks

Fanciful OWD-type claims based on nothing. Their genomic profiles will break their hearts within seconds when they realize they're just another generic canjeero eater.

In terms of "af maxaa", people were forced upon to accept it to become the Somali national language during the last regime prior to the Civil War and one of my early Somali heroes has allegedly murdered thousands of Somalis for speaking their endoglossic language.

Why are you conflating Af-Maxaa (the whole non Af-Maay body of Somali) with Standard Somali? You don't seem to know what you're talking about. I was referring to the Somali language as a whole which encompasses all the native colloquial dialects across the areas inhabited by Somalis. It's basically everything Somalis colloquially utilize other than actual distinct languages like Af-Maay or Af-Tunni. Basically the North-Central dialects and the Benadir/Coastal dialects; these form mere dialects of the same language (Somali) upon inspection, that's just a fact. And nobody forced any of these people to speak these local dialects, they just inherited them from their ancestors who largely had a common local Cushitic speaking origin with the other dialect speakers.

Standard Somali, what you're going on about, is a different and recent invention where a particular colloquial form of Somali was chosen as its official and written form.

Are we ethnically Somali? Maybe, yes, maybe, no.

There is no maybe about it. We fit all the criterion for being an ethnicity. It's just a plain fact only delusional tribalists would deny. Honestly, though... Don't mistake me for a panist or something. I honestly don't want to be ethnically related to people like you at all and would choose to be Greek or Chinese if I had a choice before I was born but here I am stuck with this shit, and so are you so make do.

Jiboutians are better off to create their own ethnicity because project Somali ethnicity failed.

Rofl, they're free to make up some new ethnicity that just speaks a dialect of Somali if they want. Not like they can do anything, though. They're just some poor sods living under a 3rd world dictator who treats the French colonial project like his own birth-right and he's fine with the current status quo as long as he gets to stay chubby and wealthy.

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Now, I paid you the respect of replying. Please do heed my words and end this useless tangent here.

 

[embarassing]

Sa'azana

I wished I was a female, but hey, maybe in next life. Jokes aside, I know you are kind enough to listen to morons like me, but you just regurgitated the point I raised above, our ethnicity is all based on theory aka academia nowadays, but not in practise in Struggle Rd in Hargeisa, Mogadishu, Bosaso, Baidoa or Kismayo. Some of us claim to be descended from Turks, others from Iran, Yemenis, Hijazis, North Africans and there is a group here who claim, they are Greeks. These claims are all based on clanship. In terms of "af maxaa", people were forced upon to accept it to become the Somali national language during the last regime prior to the Civil War and one of my early Somali heroes has allegedly murdered thousands of Somalis for speaking their endoglossic language. Are we ethnically Somali? Maybe, yes, maybe, no. Jiboutians are better off to create their own ethnicity because project Somali ethnicity failed.

I noticed you seem to make things up as you go along. Ethnic groups are based off genetics, studies have shown Somalis are 98% genetically similar. So they can claim to be from Koreans speak igbo and it wouldn't change the fact that ethnic Somalis are scientifically related, no matter the divisions.

 

[AussieHustler]

Sa'azana

Mate, you were so predictable of your arguments. A foreigner said, we are Somalis, dna (which varies the same clan) said so, ignore the claims of these clans and the situation on the ground. Hello, United Nations, we are Somalis.

 

[AussieHustler]

I noticed you seem to make things up as you go along. Ethnic groups are based off genetics, studies have shown Somalis are 98% genetically similar. So they can claim to be from Koreans speak igbo and it wouldn't change the fact that ethnic Somalis are scientifically related, no matter the divisions.

embarrassing,

How old is Somali ethnicity?

 

[embarassing]

embarrassing,

How old is Somali ethnicity?

Idk, I'd guess really old.

 

[AussieHustler]

Btw, I applied for an Australian Aborigine membership, if I succeed, I will be the first Somali Aboriginal Australian. What ethnicity will be my off-springs?

 

[AussieHustler]

Idk, I'd guess really old.

embarrassing,

How old?

 

[embarassing]

Btw, I applied for an Australian Aborigine membership, if I succeed, I will be the first Somali Aboriginal Australian. What ethnicity will be my off-springs?

Nice, our resident gender fluid, trans-racial, new-age militant atheist. You are special.

 

[embarassing]

embarrassing,

How old?

I said I don't know

 

[Shimbiris]

Sa'azana

Mate, you were so predictable of your arguments. A foreigner said, we are Somalis, dna (which varies the same clan) said so, ignore the claims of these clans and the situation on the ground. Hello, United Nations, we are Somalis.

Mate, your arguments don't even exist. You can't make any. Everyone should take a good laugh at how you read everything I shared and made zero refutations because you can't. You just pulled a maneuver by basically going "Oh, mate I saw this coming from you, hahahaha." real intelligent, rofl. And yeah, moron, if what the clans claim doesn't correlate with reality then it shouldn't be taken seriously. My clan claims to be descended from from a Hashemite but my Y-DNA is E-V32 (barely even occurs in the Arabian Peninsula) and my autosomal profile is more "basal" to the Horn region than that of Habeshas like Amharas = I shouldn't take what my clan's stories say seriously. It's as simple as that, moron.

Also, nice glossing over the fact that you're a retard who doesn't even know the difference between Standard Somali and the Somali language itself, by the way. Now, f*ck off. I tried to be civil with my last reply but seriously; do what you said you'd do like twice already and leave.

 

[AussieHustler]

I said I don't know

embarrassing,

You are sure about the sciences of DNA but not so sure of the duration. How about if I say, though the sciences of DNA is an infant stage, it has been given as truth (this is coming from an atheist), but the samples taken so far are misguided to measure exactly who we are and the human evolution. You accept it. Somalis existed few hundred years in literature and we don't know who we were before that.

 

[embarassing]

embarrassing,

You are sure about the sciences of DNA but not so sure of the duration. How about if I say, though the sciences of DNA is an infant stage, it has been given as truth (this is coming from an atheist), but the samples taken so far are misguided to measure exactly who we are and the human evolution. You accept it. Somalis existed few hundred years in literature and we don't know who we were before that.

Lmao the DNA proved we are indigenous to the region and related to other Cushitic groups there as well. Again it doesn't matter what we were called, we could've been known as American spoke Igbo and believed to have been descended from Koreans. The science proves we share a common ancestor, are closely related and indigenous to the horn.

Don't know why you said "as an atheist" as if that makes what you're saying any less BS. You're just proving atheist ≠ intelligent (if it wasn't already obvious).

 

[AussieHustler]

Suzzie

I'm hurt darl, you should never speak to me that way or otherwise, I will lodge a complaint against you. Look sxb, you sound to be educated and yet, you resort to using primary school ethnic curses of fag and to make points. I mentioned the Somali languages to emphasize of its vast differences. In-fact, Somalia was a country of different languages.

 

[embarassing]

Suzzie

I'm hurt darl, you should never speak to me that way or otherwise, I will lodge a complaint against you. Look sxb, you sound to be educated and yet, you resort to using primary school ethnic curses of fag and to make points. I mentioned the Somali languages to emphasize of its vast differences. In-fact, Somalia was a country of different languages.

There are differences but they're not vast. It's surprisingly one of the least diverse groups in the world. You're arguing for the sake of it at this point.

 

[AussieHustler]

Lmao the DNA proved we are indigenous to the region and related to other Cushitic groups there as well. Again it doesn't matter what we were called, we could've been known as American spoke Igbo and believed to have been descended from Koreans. The science proves we share a common ancestor, are closely related and indigenous to the horn.

Don't know why you said "as an atheist" as if that makes what you're saying any less BS. You're just proving atheist ≠ intelligent (if it wasn't already obvious).

embarrassing

Cushitic?

Read this

curse on kush and Africans.

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...=onepage&q=curse on kush and africans&f=false

 

[embarassing]

embarrassing

Cushitic?

Read this

curse on kush and Africans.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=1MS9AiZ74MoC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=curse+on+kush+and+africans&source=bl&ots=V2dkSXOej0&sig=ug928CcAPgJn7DAHEJOjM0IEED4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDxLSmzvLUAhXCu7wKHZlNCToQ6AEILzAC#v=onepage&q=curse on kush and africans&f=false

Dude you're stuck on names and things that are superficial while ignoring the science and facts. You've lost credibility a long time ago.

The science and genetics is independent of any names I've made this point like 3 times, I'm over this convo.

 

[Shimbiris]

You are sure about the sciences of DNA but not so sure of the duration. How about if I say, though the sciences of DNA is an infant stage, it has been given as truth (this is coming from an atheist), but the samples taken so far are misguided to measure exactly who we are and the human evolution. You accept it.

The ethnic group centers around the shared language and culture and would obviously be as old as the language itself. Last I checked, North+Coastal which makes up Somali proper is likely not older than 1,500-2,500 or so years. At some point, some Lowland East Cushitic speaking population broke off from the speakers of early Af-Maay and company (i.e. Af-Tunni & co.) to form the earliest Af-Maxaa speaking community which eventually came to be the modern canjeero eaters you see today. There might have also been a distinct Lowland East Cushitic speaking population already in some parts of the north which the early Af-Maxaa nigs absorbed and intermixed with but this community would have most likely been identical to this early Somali speaking community from a genetic standpoint given the low autosomal variation across the ethnic group.

Just read the works of chaps like Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi, Mohamed Nuuh Ali and Christopher Ehret and do some of your own research. And also just end this tangent.