Historical disaster: Hassan Sheikh Mohamud gives Turkey 95% of oil royalties and 90% production

[FAST_LANE]

Now Everything is starting to make sense :

- Turkey discovers promising Oil after their initial off-shore search.
- Turkey seek Ethiopia and Somaliland help to find a way to steal the oil
-Both Ethiopia and Somaliland signed that famous deal
-HSM run to Turkey for defense when there was no direct threat.
- Turkey forced HSM to sign off those offshore blocks in exchange of Turkey defending Somali waters.
- After HSM signed it off, Turkey then made peace between Ethiopia and Somalia
-Turkey now have this open-end deal where it has the Airport, the Port and the absolute freedom to stay in Mogadishu as long as they want and not only steal our natural sources, but also sell it in the open market for maximum profit

Hawiye nacalaa indin ku taal

 

[Abaq]

Now Everything is starting to make sense :

- Turkey discovers promising Oil after their initial off-shore search.
- Turkey seek Ethiopia and Somaliland help to find a way to steal the oil
-Both Ethiopia and Somaliland signed that famous deal
-HSM run to Turkey for defense when there was no direct threat.
- Turkey forced HSM to sign off those offshore blocks in exchange of Turkey defending Somali waters.
- After HSM signed it off, Turkey then made peace between Ethiopia and Somalia
-Turkey now have this open-end deal where it has the Airport, the Port and the absolute freedom to stay in Mogadishu as long as they want and not only steal our natural sources, but also sell it in the open market for maximum profit

Hawiye nacalaa indin ku taal

And their only response is “why are people who don’t pay canshuur complaining?”. There is something fundamentally wrong

 

[Kun_Ciil]

It's looking bleak, but I'm gonna hold out a couple of days until we get full confirmation on all the details.

If its true, and we got such a really bad deal with no avenue to renegotiate or terminate the deal after 5 years then damn the future isn't looking good. Get ready for balkanization, further splitting of Somali lands and corrupt leaders selling out their people.

Since the creation of the UN-trusteeship of Somalia we have seen

1. Ethiopian invasion of the Capital city of Somalia
2. A foreign imposed gov with no funding of it own, no military of its own. A gov that Is protected by Amisom and relies on the international community for funding. If you don't control your own military and finances, Is it possible for you to be free and not dictated to?
3. The completion of a federal system that has further weakened the Central gov and divided Somalis
4. Our two neighbours who occupy Somali lands in NFD and Somali Galbeed who are now roaming freely in Somalia claiming that they are here to help the Somali nation and to help build a strong government(cajiib)
5. MOU with Kenya giving them parts of our ocean
6. Somaliland MOU with Ethiopia giving them land and Sea
7. Ethiopia refusing to leave Atmis and the weak federal gov being strong armed to keep Ethiopia as part of the "peacekeeping force"
8. Somalis being aerial bombed by America, Ethiopian aerially and even Kenyan forces bombing the Gedo area
9. Federal states like Jubbaland with Ahmed Madobe using Kenyan forces to stay in power and to fend off the Central gov- and the central gov themselves using foreign forces like Ethiopia to meddle in federal politics like seen in Konfur Galbeed or trying to use Ethiopians to oust Ahmed madobe out of power
10. Our ports being controlled by foreign entities like UAE and Turkey or even Kenya at one point
11. A national gov that only runs Mogadishu and has failed to establish country wide power despite all this so called support for the last 20 years.
12. What's left? The splitting up of the nation and the exploitation of our resources.

The world powers and foreign nations only look out for their own interests. Somalia has been ripened enough for the last twenty year for foreign exploitation. Today its HSM, tomorrow its signing off the Red sea and Berbera, tomorrow its Bosaaso and the next it will be Kismayo.

As long as Somalis iyaga isku mashquulan waa laga fa'idaysana.

 

[Zak12]

It's looking bleak, but I'm gonna hold out a couple of days until we get full confirmation on all the details.

If its true, and we got such a really bad deal with no avenue to renegotiate or terminate the deal after 5 years then damn the future isn't looking good. Get ready for balkanization, further splitting of Somali lands and corrupt leaders selling out their people.

Since the creation of the UN-trusteeship of Somalia we have seen

1. Ethiopian invasion of the Capital city of Somalia
2. A foreign imposed gov with no funding of it own, no military of its own. A gov that Is protected by Amisom and relies on the international community for funding. If you don't control your own military and finances, Is it possible for you to be free and not dictated to?
3. The completion of a federal system that has further weakened the Central gov and divided Somalis
4. Our two neighbours who occupy Somali lands in NFD and Somali Galbeed who are now roaming freely in Somalia claiming that they are here to help the Somali nation and to help build a strong government(cajiib)
5. MOU with Kenya giving them parts of our ocean
6. Somaliland MOU with Ethiopia giving them land and Sea
7. Ethiopia refusing to leave Atmis and the weak federal gov being strong armed to keep Ethiopia as part of the "peacekeeping force"
8. Somalis being aerial bombed by America, Ethiopian aerially and even Kenyan forces bombing the Gedo area
9. Federal states like Jubbaland with Ahmed Madobe using Kenyan forces to stay in power and to fend off the Central gov- and the central gov themselves using foreign forces like Ethiopia to meddle in federal politics like seen in Konfur Galbeed or trying to use Ethiopians to oust Ahmed madobe out of power
10. Our ports being controlled by foreign entities like UAE and Turkey or even Kenya at one point
11. A national gov that only runs Mogadishu and has failed to establish country wide power despite all this so called support for the last 20 years.
12. What's left? The splitting up of the nation and the exploitation of our resources.

The world powers and foreign nations only look out for their own interests. Somalia has been ripened enough for the last twenty year for foreign exploitation. Today its HSM, tomorrow its signing off the Red sea and Berbera, tomorrow its Bosaaso and the next it will be Kismayo.

As long as Somalis iyaga isku mashquulan waa laga fa'idaysana.

HSM has only one year left until his term is finished. His successor will roll back on this

 

[ciyaalka xaafada100]

If Puntland start drill oil, we will make sure moryaans will nor recieve one shillin from us.

but the oil and gas fields are in south of somalia.this is a shitty deal btw.

 

[Kun_Ciil]

HSM has only one year left until his term is finished. His successor will roll back on this

Any president that enters this sham system i expect the same results or even worse for the foreseeable future.

I'll only give the gov or a president their dues when all foreign forces leave and a gov is formed independently with a strong national SNA who can govern the nation with the peoples best interests at heart..but that's looking like a dream.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Any president that enters this sham system i expect the same results or even worse for the foreseeable future.

I'll only give the gov or a president their dues when all foreign forces leave and a gov is formed independently with a strong national SNA who can govern the nation with the peoples best interests at heart..but that's looking like a dream.

Somalia's political elites have agreed on:
1) Winner takes all political settlement
2) Sporadically fight AS (depending how it interferes with the first goal).
3) Diplomatically and militarily engage Somaliland using proxy groups and foreign intervention (leading to deals like the one you are all crying about today)

FGS is a representation of elite choices which are just stupid. Somalia's political elites failed. You will be lucky to have a country at all if this goes on.

 

[Zak12]

Diplomatically and militarily engage Somaliland using proxy groups

You are giving Mogadishu way too much credit, at best they are Puntland proxies but FGS doesn't care for Somaliland at all.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You are giving Mogadishu way too much credit, at best they are Puntland proxies but FGS doesn't care for Somaliland at all.

HSM wasted a year fighting Somaliland recogntion, supported the LA militias and the resutls are coming in on the costs of engagement. Lost year to fight AS and lost resources.

So anyway instead of lying to yourelf , the better idea is Somalian elites and the population should push them towards

1) finding settlement for federalism
2) Accepting SL is gone
3) Joint commitment to tackle extremists FGS and FMS combined effort

After that there can be a country called Somalia otherwise it's maybe not going to exist.

Pie in the sky thinking like you can have 1960 union only you end up in exploitative deal like the one we are seeing. The costs are only going to increase, so better for you to sell your resources at the correct rate for your citizens.

You think next president is going to anul this deal he won't because Turkey is supporting your political sovereingnty and probably regime security at that point.

 

[ciyaalka xaafada100]

HSM wasted a year fighting Somaliland recogntion, supported the LA militias and the resutls are coming in on the costs of engagement. Lost year to fight AS and lost resources.

So anyway instead of lying to yourelf , the better idea is Somalian elites and the population should push them towards

1) finding settlement for federalism
2) Accepting SL is gone
3) Joint commitment to tackle extremists FGS and FMS combined effort

After that there can be a country called Somalia otherwise it's maybe not going to exist.

Pie in the sky thinking like you can have 1960 union only you end up in exploitative deal like the one we are seeing. The costs are only going to increase, so better for you to sell your resources at the correct rate for your citizens.

You think next president is going to anul this deal he won't because Turkey is guaranteeing your political sovereingnty and probably regime security at that point.

Once you are ready to let go SSC then may be somalia will let go of SL.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Once you are ready to let go SSC then may be somalia will let go of SL.

SSC is part of Somaliland. You are not in a position to poach territority either.

Fake account anyway.

 

[Zak12]

HSM wasted a year fighting Somaliland recogntion, supported the LA militias and the resutls are coming in on the costs of engagement. Lost year to fight AS and lost resources.

So anyway instead of lying to yourelf , the better idea is Somalian elites and the population should push them towards

1) finding settlement for federalism
2) Accepting SL is gone
3) Joint commitment to tackle extremists FGS and FMS combined effort

After that there can be a country called Somalia otherwise it's maybe not going to exist.

Pie in the sky thinking like you can have 1960 union only you end up in exploitative deal like the one we are seeing. The costs are only going to increase, so better for you to sell your resources at the correct rate for your citizens.

HSM wasn't fighting against Somaliland recognition at all, he only pretended he was to save face as seen by how readily he accepted the Ankara agreement.

Instead of blaming other states for SL's mess up in Las Anod, it should take steps address the frustrations with its eastern communities but alas SL politicians play the same zero sum politics that Mogadishu does.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

HSM wasn't fighting against Somaliland recognition at all, he only pretended he was to save face as seen by how readily he accepted the Ankara agreement.

Instead of blaming other states for SL's mess up in Las Anod, it should take steps address the frustrations with its eastern communities but alas SL politicians play the same zero sum politics that Mogadishu does.

Again like lying to yourself can't change reality. He was traveling the globe looking for support and the Turkish deals were the result of that. I mean lying doesn't change anything.

The problem is much of the poplulation support the elite position which is essentially going to destroy Somalia, lol. Denial of obvious consequences time and time again.

 

[ciyaalka xaafada100]

SSC is part of Somaliland. You are not in a position to poach territority either.

Fake account anyway.

WHATEVA

 

[Zak12]

Again like lying to yourself can't change reality. He was traveling the globe looking for support and the Turkish deals were the result of that. I mean lying doesn't change anything.

HSM did not

1. Expell the Ethiopian ambassador and cut ties with Ethiopia
2. Recognize or support SSC
3. Close SL's airspace and seas

What did he do instead? He went to war against Jubbaland and focused on constitutional changes instead of properly handling the MoU. He barely lifts a finger against Somaliland, the perfect dream president for you people.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

HSM did not

1. Expell the Ethiopian ambassador and cut ties with Ethiopia
2. Recognize or support SSC
3. Close SL's airspace and seas

What did he do instead? He went to war against Jubbaland and focused on constitutional changes instead of properly handling the MoU. He barely lifts a finger against Somaliland, the perfect dream president for you people.

Selling Somalia to Turkey was enough. Turkey stepped in and got the Ankara deal done and warned Ethiopia away from it's new colony.

 

[Zak12]

Selling Somalia to Turkey was enough. Turkey stepped in and got the Ankara deal done and warned Ethiopia away from it's new colony.

That will be reversed soon. What hasn't changed is Somaliland.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

That will be reversed soon. What hasn't changed is Somaliland.

Collecting 5% from Ergodan

 

[Zak12]

Collecting 5% from Ergodan

Erdogan too will be kicked out soon by the next party

 

[Taintedlove]

Erdogan too will be kicked out soon by the next party

He's currently arresting all opposition