How can we convince our Hawiye kin to give up power

[Magan Joseph]

To explain why there are more Hawiye presidents, it's mostly just bad luck. Farmaajo really messed up any chance of a Darood president in the future with his dictatorial behaviour. Even though he started with lots of support, his presidency was ruined. AY did some important things for modern Somalia but will always be remembered for bringing Ethiopian troops into our country.

Bad luck kuyeh Hawiye had more presidents because they’re native to the capital, caasimada is where most money and resources of the country go this gives Hawiye the resources to become presidents

The real issue is that neither of these clans lets other groups like Biimaal or Raxanweyn become president, and that's a big problem.

So while Ogaden who blocked Ethiopians from taking over the capital and Majerteen who created the damn constitution are present, a raxanwayn or a biyomaal would be given the chance to rule instead?

To give more context, the Hawiye have more to lose. A bad president, like Farmaajo, hurts not his own kin but Hawiye (and Raxanweyn and .5s) the most. That's probably why Hawiye usually support one candidate for president and are more capable of getting other clans to join them, while Darood are politically internally incredible divided.

Darood is the largest Somali clan it’d be understandable if they’re devided but it’s not as bad as you make it seem.

Right now, only Banadiir contributes taxes to the federal government. Even though I might not fully agree, I get why people there think they deserve representation because they pay taxes and suffer a lot from Shabaab attacks.

Where are these taxes going? What are they being used for?

Many people think that if their own (sub) clan had a chance to lead, all of Somalia's problems would magically disappear. However, the challenges facing Somalia are incredibly complex and can't be blamed on any single clan.

I said the country would still be poor but at least it wouldn’t be the definition of a failed state.

 

[JamalFarah]

Incredible take mashallah

Can you expand on why you believe 1m1v will work to alleviate the issue of Darood / Hawiye passing power back and forth? From what I understand they also have the highest pops, and theyve been doing this game since the country started

No single clan holds absolute majority in Somalia, which means presidential candidates must appeal to all Somalis to some extent. This diversity is a blessing because it encourages inclusivity and broad representation.

The Raxanweyn clan is experiencing rapid population growth and resides in the most fertile region of Somalia. Unfortunately, they've endured instability, invasions, and famine. However, once peace is achieved in Somalia, their voting bloc will become significant. In case of injustice, they can rely on their Federal State for support.

It's important to avoid repeating the mistakes during Barres regime of the past, such as singling out and disenfranchising clans. Doing so only strengthens their internal unity. We certainly don't want to provoke a separatist movement in the south. Therefore, it's crucial to work towards appeasement and unity among all clans.

In a democratic system, tribal parties will be limited by the size of their clan, idealogically driven parties are only limited in their rhetoric. The latter will outcompete the former.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

The problem is only darood and hawiye are allowed to be president. Imagine how other clans in somalia feel

 

[JamalFarah]

Bad luck kuyeh Hawiye had more presidents because they’re native to the capital, caasimada is where most money and resources of the country go this gives Hawiye the resources to become presidents


So while Ogaden who blocked Ethiopians from taking over the capital and Majerteen who created the damn constitution are present, a raxanwayn or a biyomaal would be given the chance to rule instead?

Darood is the largest Somali clan it’d be understandable if they’re devided but it’s not as bad as you make it seem.

Where are these taxes going? What are they being used for?

I said the country would still be poor but at least it wouldn’t be the definition of a failed state.

Saying that Hawiyes are dominant in the capital overlooks important historical context. Yes, this plays a role, HSM won his reelection not only because his clan lives close to the capital but because he was able to contrast and compare his reign to that of Farmaajo's disastrous reign.

It's unnecessary to delve into the actions of specific clans, which I don't contest, as it's not directly relevant to this discussion.

Claiming that Biimaal or Raxanweyn individuals cannot become president due to supposedly having done less achievements for Somalia compared to other clans is misleading and false. We shouldn't compare clan achievements as a basis for presidency. Ideally, tribal background shouldn't determine presidential eligibility.
These two and other clans should be allowed to run for office simply because they are Somali like the rest of us.

People often forget the unwritten rule that only Hawiye or Darod individuals can become president or prime minister. This exclusion contributes to the loss of legitimacy of the Federal Government in the south and allows other groups to gain influence.

The federal government should be permitted to tax its citizens across Somalia, even if only through Federal Member States (FMS). Despite known corruption in Somalia, moving away from foreign funding would give the government a tangible reason to care about its citizens' needs.

Foreign powers wield significant influence in our government because the government relies on their financial support. It would be better if the government received funding from its citizens across the country, encouraging it to prioritize their interests and concerns.

Taxation fosters interest, expectations, and accountability from the citizens to the government. A government reliant on foreign aid becomes complacent and inefficient, lacking the motivation to improve because the citizens have no stake in how the money is spent.

 

[Magan Joseph]

No single clan holds absolute majority in Somalia, which means presidential candidates must appeal to all Somalis to some extent. This diversity is a blessing because it encourages inclusivity and broad representation.

The Raxanweyn clan is experiencing rapid population growth and resides in the most fertile region of Somalia. Unfortunately, they've endured instability, invasions, and famine. However, once peace is achieved in Somalia, their voting bloc will become significant. In case of injustice, they can rely on their Federal State for support.

It's important to avoid repeating the mistakes during Barres regime of the past, such as singling out and disenfranchising clans. Doing so only strengthens their internal unity. We certainly don't want to provoke a separatist movement in the south. Therefore, it's crucial to work towards appeasement and unity among all clans.

In a democratic system, tribal parties will be limited by the size of their clan, idealogically driven parties are only limited in their rhetoric. The latter will outcompete the former.

Somalis claim landmass exceeding 1 million kms today and that’s thanks to Ogaden and Majerteen not thanks to raxanwayn or biyomaal. Majerteen own more than 200,000 kms of landmass and Ogaden own more than 560,000 kms of landmass if you add them together you get more than 760,000 sq kms of landmass. That’s bigger than Zambia the 39th biggest country in the world If those two clans didn’t exist Somalis won’t have such landmass they’d be claiming. It’s truly unfair that these two clans aren’t given any representation either one of them should be the leaders of the country for eternity.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

So while Ogaden who blocked Ethiopians from taking over the capital and Majerteen who created the damn constitution are present, a raxanwayn or a biyomaal would be given the chance to rule instead?

Only reason why ogaden and majerteen have higher contribution is because they had disproportionate representation in the siad barre government, whereas raxanweyn and biyomaal were given the short end of the stick as a result of dirty politics. Ironic that you are complaining about fairness when you are so quick to overlook contributions of other tribes. Biimaal fought and defeated the italians and controlled merca and other regions of trade for centuries. They also have a strong presence in Kenya and own one of the most fertile lands in somalia. Idk much about rahanweyn but they are wealthy and have fertile land. I suggest you get your head out of the darood bubble every once in a while

 

[Magan Joseph]

Only reason why ogaden and majerteen have higher contribution is because they had disproportionate representation in the siad barre government, whereas raxanweyn and biyomaal were given the short end of the stick as a result of dirty politics. Ironic that you are complaining about fairness when you are so quick to overlook contributions of other tribes. Biimaal fought and defeated the italians and controlled merca and other regions of trade for centuries. They also have a strong presence in Kenya and own one of the most fertile lands in somalia. Idk much about rahanweyn but they are wealthy and have fertile land. I suggest you get your head out of the darood bubble every once in a while

Italians had a colony in somalia just 64 years ago what’s this fought and defeated you’re talking about and who are biyomaal horta are they part of Hawiye or a stand alone clan? I can’t get my head out of the darood bubble because this clan owns 70% of the landmass of the peninsula and contributed the most. When people discuss Germany they would talk about the nazis not the Jewish minority. If every clan wanna go their own separate ways darood has nothing to lose specially Ogaden&Harti. I made this thread to know others opinions on how Darood can snatch power from Hawiye peacefully not raxanwayn&biimaal contributed this and that they’re wealthy they deserve this and that crap. Not an outcry like “what about the minority” Please give your genuine opinions ama naga aamu all of you agah!

 

[Magan Joseph]

I should have been more straight forward with you all in the beginning fadlan iga raali ahaada. I’m actually against a non Ogaden&Harti rule of Somalia forever. I’m fine with irir Samale man being lataliyaha prime ministerka, a Ogaden president and a Majerteen prime minister.

 

[Magan Joseph]

Waxayba leeyihiin raxanwayn ama biyomaal ha laga dhigo madaxweynaha wadanka subxanAllah waxan waa habaar walahi. When you have the relatives of the man who led the colonial resistance which holds the title “the first African anti colonial resistance to go against European airforces” present how can they not be the ones to rule how are they even denied rule? They should hold the presidential and prime minister seats for eternity even white people would agree to this

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Centralism with the current leaders

When did I imply that, centralism under our current leaders would be worse then us being an ethiopian protectorate

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Wallahi those who refuse centralism just have a qablist mindset, give me dislikes I dont give a crap

 

[Sharab]

a Ogaden president and a Majerteen prime minister.

Ogaden president

 

[Mudug_gyal]

Italians had a colony in somalia just 64 years ago what’s this fought and defeated you’re talking about and who are biyomaal horta are they part of Hawiye or a stand alone clan? I can’t get my head out of the darood bubble because this clan owns 70% of the landmass of the peninsula and contributed the most. When people discuss Germany they would talk about the nazis not the Jewish minority. If every clan wanna go their own separate ways darood has nothing to lose specially Ogaden&Harti. I made this thread to know others opinions on how Darood can snatch power from Hawiye peacefully not raxanwayn&biimaal contributed this and that they’re wealthy they deserve this and that crap. Not an outcry like “what about the minority” Please give your genuine opinions ama naga aamu all of you agah!

You just want darood to eat good. We already had our chance, fear Allah

 

[Magan Joseph]

Ogaden president

What’s so funny? Qabiilkaga waa maxay ugaas? I can understand you though the Ethiopians and Kenyans are against the idea of Ogaden man becoming president in Somalia, so Ogaden has to spray these cockroaches from the house (Somalia) first, come inside, and say I’m the owner (president) of this house. But I support a Majerteen president or maybe even a dictator.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

We need an Ogaden President, then somalia would be fixed.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

You just want darood to eat good. We already had our chance, fear Allah

Who is WE ?

 

[Nin123]

We need an Ogaden President, then somalia would be fixed.

 

[_Yusuf_]

You just want darood to eat good. We already had our chance, fear Allah

I have been noticing a pattern with you. In many threads, I have seen you play devil's advocate against darood. You claim to be MJ but were against AY decision to protect PL by utilizing xabashi. You're very sussy ngl. MX dictator fucked the country up and fucked MJ up a lot and you're over here saying darood had their chance.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

I have been noticing a pattern with you. In many threads, I have seen you play devil's advocate against darood. You claim to be MJ but were against AY decision to protect PL. You're very sussy ngl.

ay's decision hahahah He teamed up with ethiopians to protect worthless desert Traitor in everyway and ruined all the progress once again

 

[_Yusuf_]

ay's decision hahahah He teamed up with ethiopians to protect worthless desert Traitor in everyway and ruined all the progress once again

If the ICU is going to run all of Somalia I prefer the burn it all approach.