How can we convince our Hawiye kin to give up power

[SomalilandFanatic]

Do I really need to explain myself? One might think I’m trolling but that’s just not entirely true. I seriously ask this question myself sometimes. I’m tired of hearing people bad mouthing them all over social media Hawiye is this and that blah blah. Hawiye should transfer power over to people who can and want to rule but how can this happen peacefully without any bloodshed? If another clan occupied the capital of Somalia for just fifteen consecutive years Somalia would still be poor but at least it wouldn’t be the definition of bad. What we have today is just outrageous and not acceptable at all you have Indians using Somalia to define what’s bad INDIANS!? out of all the humans on this planet. What’s your take on this? No need to insult each other we’re all adults here we can have normal conversation without insulting one another.

Hawiye did give up political power for 21 years under Siyad.

Look how that turned out.

Compete abuse of power.

Then look at what AY did to Mogadishu

Now you see why Hawiye are scared of another brutal power hungry Darood leader.

They had their chance and they blew it.

By the way I'm not anti Darood I actually support Hamse Barre to be the next President after HSM.

He doesn't seem bloodthirsty like Siyad and AY.

 

[_Yusuf_]

Why do they wave the ethiopian flag then?

is not adhering to strict clan chauvinism considered weird? Somalia will never develop or have peace when even kids like you raised in the diaspora are full of qabyaalad

At least you're honest. Now I know this counter-signaling behavior stems from a place of feminism. You're frustrated that qabil is patriarchal. Thank for clearing that up.

 

[Angelina]

LOL, qabilist alert.

Now let's remember the realities of Somalis history with regards to past presidents. The man that burnt the country to the ground, sent fighter jets to Northern citizens and caused the most distrust amongst Somalis in the history of the Somalis to such an extent the Isaaqs now want to become independent, was due to the heinous actions of a Darood man. His actions nearly 40 yrs on is haunting us. The actions of the USC a Hawiye rebel group also further destroyed a dying nation and caused even more division. Let's also remember that the least power hungry Somali president ever was indeed a Hawiye man, Aden Cadde. If you don't want Daroods to be tarred for the actions of Siyaad Barre or due to the uselessness of presidents like Abdullahi Yusuf or the doctoral nature of Farmaajo, it would be wise that you also refrain from tarring all Hawiyes as well.


My issue with some tribal supremacist is their undeniable delusions of grandeur and it's easy to simply look back at history and shatter their nonsense talking points. I had to point out the obvious that is engraved in history and If you weren't a shameless qabilst you'd know that members of both tribes have had terrible leaders and great ones and if you were moral and logical you'd understand that qabil isn't the deciding factor with regards to what makes a great leader, but unfortunately tribilists on this forum can't help but point the finger at the Hawiye clan and don't realize that it's that very mindset that sets us Somalis back. I don't really like HSM but believe me, even if we were to get a truly great Somali leader but was of a Hawiye background, the same talking points will be weaponized against him. Why? Because when you're raised by your family with a diet of Hawiye hatred and rampant supremacy, this low IQ take is the result. It's truly deplorable entitlement and supremacist ideology shrouded with the pretense of caring about Somalia.

 

[Nin123]

Villa Somalia is filled with HSMs family the freaking foreign advisor position was given to HSMs daughter there are thousands of educated Somali adults from the Ogaden Majerteen Dhulbahante Warsangali clans who would’ve filled this position. If the next president is Hawiye then I’m helping create Majerteen National liberation front (MNLF) dhulbahante national liberation front (DNLF) warsangali national liberation front (WNLF)

Doug there is no such thing as Somali country and it died twice in 1991 and 2009.
Darood need to exclusively fucos on their lands how to develop it and get rid of al shabaab in jubaland. Hawiye can get the president position as long they want in the end it’s meaningless and powerless position. What I want is true confederation system.

 

[Nin123]

Hawiye did give up political power for 21 years under Siyad.

Look how that turned out.

Compete abuse of power.

Then look at what AY did to Mogadishu

Now you see why Hawiye are scared of another brutal power hungry Darood leader.

They had their chance and they blew it.

By the way I'm not anti Darood I actually support Hamse Barre to be the next President after HSM.

He doesn't seem bloodthirsty like Siyad and AY.

Ay is the one who helped your people from terrorist Islamic court. Mogadishu was battlefield no rules until Ay came and kicked this terrorist out. HSM is weak corrupted man who is begging other countries for money

 

[Angelina]

The problem is only darood and hawiye are allowed to be president. Imagine how other clans in somalia feel

Yep, everyday it's Darood or Hawiye and their tribalist spawns come on the internet crying about why their clan isn't currently president when they've had at least three or more presidencies under their belt and the country was still a failed state. I'm personally waiting for a RX president or Dir InshaAllah.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

Can everyone stop repping their gangs for a sec and focus on developing this country!

 

[Mudug_gyal]

Yep, everyday it's Darood or Hawiye and their tribalist spawns come on the internet crying about why their clan isn't currently president when they've had at least three or more presidencies under their belt and the country was still a failed state. I'm personally waiting for a RX president or Dir InshaAllah.

Noticed that the majority aka darood and hawiye have an unholy alliance to alternate presidency and power leaving all other clans to starve.

 

[Abdisamad]

Yep, everyday it's Darood or Hawiye and their tribalist spawns come on the internet crying about why their clan isn't currently president when they've had at least three or more presidencies under their belt and the country was still a failed state. I'm personally waiting for a RX president or Dir InshaAllah.

Welcome to the politics sections, the place for retiring members

 

[Angelina]

Welcome to the politics sections, the place for retiring members

Truly is. I used to always be in the general section. Seems like we're both getting on a bit and getting bored of the topics in general.

 

[Abdisamad]

Truly is. I used to always be in the general section. Seems like we're both getting on a bit and getting bored of the topics in general.

I was trying to gather support for a united and qabil free Somalia, but it ain't easy.

 

[Angelina]

I was trying to gather support for a united and qabil free Somalia, but it ain't easy.

On this forum Darood supremacists run supreme. Start with your people first who are creating threads about how only Hartis should rule. It's crazy to think kids are being raised this way and stuff like that creates even more tribalism. Hartis don't have more muscle power than Hawiyes as historical events have shown. Hence, the only way we can stop the clan domination of Hawiyes or any clan for that matter is through creating a strong Somali identity that trumps, Hawiye, Darood or Dir.

 

[Abdisamad]

On this forum Darood supremacists run supreme. Start with your people first who are creating threads about how only Hartis should rule..

I haven't seen threeads where harti are writing only they should rule over Somalia, can you share the thread in reference?

It's crazy to think kids are being raised this way and stuff like that creates even more tribalism. Hartis don't have more muscle power than Hawiyes as historical events have shown.

What do you mean by this? There's no war between Hawiye and Harti, also Harti is a sub-clan of Darood.. You must be confusing this with the war between SSC and SL?

Hence, the only way we can stop the clan domination of Hawiyes or any clan for that matter is through creating a strong Somali identity that trumps, Hawiye, Darood or Dir.

We can agree on the last bit, all Somali citizens should be treated equally and have a equal right to be elected into positions of governance regardless of their qabiil affiliation.

 

[galhareeri]

I was trying to gather support for a united and qabil free Somalia, but it ain't easy.

Bro if u want do it its not social media bro fot to somaliabi swear pple are rational in real life but not here

 

[Abdisamad]

Bro if u want do it its not social media bro fot to somaliabi swear pple are rational in real life but not here

True bro, social media is a jungle of negativity.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

"The Islamic Courts Union (ICU) was a legal and political organization founded by Muslim clerics from the Abgal subclan of the powerful Hawiye clan that operated from 2000 to 2006 in Mogadishu. These Islamic courts adjudicated personal status and criminal law matters according to Islamic law (shari’a). Because they were backed by clan-based ICU militias, they were extremely effective in maintaining order. Abgal clerics did not start the courts in a desire because they promoted Islamism, but rather because they hoped the courts would address the lawlessness that had become endemic in the wake of the 1991 civil war.

Technically speaking, the courts were not overseen by Islamic scholars, nor did they adhere to one particular school of Sunni Islamic law. Rather, they were an extension of Abgal Hawiye clan power, were enforced by clan militias, and received support from clan members. Because these courts were clan-based, they came up against other Hawiye subclans, including the Habr Gedir, that of the powerful former military commander and post-civil war warlord General Muhammad Aideed, whose forces controlled parts of Mogadishu. Aideed’s death in 1996 allowed for the formation of new courts, including those sponsored by the Habr Gedir. Other subclans sponsored their own courts. As courts spread, they became more tied to political Islam and less directed by clan politics, especially when al-Itihaad al-Islamiya (“The Islamic Union,” IU) became involved." - https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/faq/islamic-courts-union

Enough said.

Hating another qabil because they were succesful is bad, im ogaden do you see my crying? No, all qabilists are too full of themselves and look at a classic case of this hate being passed down to the new generation.

 

[galhareeri]

True bro, social media is a jungle of negativity.

Human are social animals we comunicate face to face not like this

 

[_Yusuf_]

Hating another qabil because they were succesful is bad, im ogaden do you see my crying? No, all qabilists are too full of themselves and look at a classic case of this hate being passed down to the new generation.

You asked why I don't like the ICU I provided sources explaining the nature of the ICU. Then you say I'm hating cause they're "successful". Nope, I'm hating cause they're against my interest. The results would be worse than the 4.5 system.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

You asked why I don't like the ICU I provided sources explaining the nature of the ICU. Then you say I'm hating cause they're "successful". Nope, I'm hating cause they're against my interest. The results would be worse than the 4.5 system.

Ahh so you dont like a state governed by islam? shouldve just said that

 

[_Yusuf_]

Ahh so you dont like a state governed by islam? shouldve just said that

Did you read the quote at all goof? Or are you strawmaning me on purpose?

“Technically speaking, the courts were not overseen by Islamic scholars, nor did they adhere to one particular school of Sunni Islamic law. Rather, they were an extension of Abgal Hawiye clan power”