How will Somalia navigate the new political landscape? Allies? Alliances? Diplomacy?

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
Now that Donald Trump has won the presidency , i think it will be good opportunity to analyze or predict how Somalia will fare and what should be the logical move

In case some of you don't remember on my Greater Isreal thread, i sourced Somalia's current day predicament and blunder in their alignments and dependencies. Yes its because of Ethiopia, Traitors and their foreign allies destabilization efforts , but it is also because we didn't have real allies at the time, that could either aid or help defend us and those we did depend on were unreliable and brought with them more intrusions and conditions.

The Kacaan government was also seen as a threat (not just ICU) by Ethiopia/Isreal and a threat to Soviets ambitions to expand into the red sea , but the US even though they dislked the Kacaan regime preferred it at time over Ethiopia because they were trying to limit Soviet and communist influence in the region, they would switch over to Ethiopia's side in a heartbeat if they re-aligned themselves back with them.

Because before this the United States and Somalias relations deteriorated following the coup in 1969. Somalia went far in beyond to counter and limit US infiltration in the Indian ocean.
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All of them had a problem with Somalia's Islamic leanings and our territorial protectionism btw, for the Soviet we weren't socialist or marxist enough because we didn't fully commit to the ideology in the real sense as we saw it as a tool to develop our economy and was Muslim oriented in our belief system and foreign policy. That's why they switched to Ethiopia's side the minute the Derg took over to profess communism.
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When the Kacaan government collapsed it was golden opportunity by the US to implant their influence in the region and place a puppet government allied with them espousing secular capitalist democratic beliefs and for them to create a military base. The same way that they had done in Korea after the cold war, and throughout Europe and Japan after world war 2. There is a qoute that Walaalwhoops posted of a US army general professing this, i cant find it now though.
For a decade the United States push into Somalia and Indian ocean/red sea was subverted not only by the governments action but also by Somalia's alignment with Soviet. The downfall was in not managing and maneuvering the fall out with Soviet in a good way, which ended up backfiring on us. This is partly also due the fact there was not bigger more powerful ally ship available that could replace and compete with their backing of Ethiopia.
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Same mistake was repeated by the Islamic Courts Union which resulted in their unmaking:
The ICU wanted to discuss and work with the United States that wanted nothing to do with them and held them in contempt, when they should have instead reached out to a powerful enemy adversary of the US to offset them and Ethiopia.

How you trying to work with someone that is constantly threathening you? See this:

Before the US backed ethopian army dismantled the ICU , in this 2006 interview you can see one of the leaders say

''We are perpared to work with them. But without even talking with us for a single moment all we are getting is threats .... What crime have we commited? We are running our country we have created peace and stability in our country. We have never threathened the US. Messages are constantly coming that they will work with other countries to conquer Somalia by force. Our answer is force does not work' if you over power someone that does not mean that somebody will sleep or go away for good''



Iran, Russia and North Korea for example is sustained by their allies that share interests with them, economically and politically. But they also reached self-sufficiency in terms of economic, military and energy sense, especially Iran and Russia, despite being perceived as enemies of the west. There is little they can do to effect them.

Because of our sell out regional leaders. Somalia is perceived as western leaning and they are effectively propped up by them to maintain stay, to our detriment.

Here is how i see the real alignment for Somalia if it follows its Geo-Political interests:

Proven Allies:

- Turkey

- Egypt

- Eritrea


Potential Allies:

- China (with major caution and risk reduction, china is more than likely trying to unload its labor demand on Somalia and exploit our natural resources to aid their their manufacturing ) They are important in counter acting United States/Isreal in the region that work through Ethiopia and they can provide technical assistances that are much needed.

- Iran: (This also comes with a major risk since the Iranian regime wants to spread Shia Islam and they are the biggest destabilizers on the sea, piracy, illegal fishing etc2016 Iranian diplomats and aid agencies was outsted from Somalia for spreading Shi'ite ideology. ) Same reason as China.


Enemies:

- Ethiopia

- Kenya

- UAE

- Isreal

- United States

Towards Ethiopia we should sever all diplomatic and commercial ties with them. Somalia should not recognize the legitimacy of Ethiopia as a state.

Second move is to limit our economic and military dependencies. The Kacaan's regime's goal was to make Somalia self-sufficient , it became so in parts and in other parts it retained military dependencies particularly with US/Soviet. The current day government is wholly dependent on external states.

Decreasing our military dependencies with the help of Turkey can be achieved as they are investing high tech military factories , where we will increase our capacity to manufacture arms, vehicles and so on.
Turkey’s alliance with Qatar, which also has vested interests in Somali politics, further motivates its engagement. Together, Turkey and Qatar are building a regional coalition that includes Somalia to provide political and economic support, countering the influence of the Saudi-UAE/Ethiopia bloc in the Horn of Africa, another battle is happening in Sudan between these two

When it comes to food production and agriculture, Somalia can produce every crop and has large livestock population to provide meat.

We don't have large debt either, or borrowings weighing us down. So we can normalize our economy and owe no conditions attached to loans to follow.

Because we have large energy supplies, we won't be Energy dependent and rely on imports in a few years.

Somalia should also back out of joining EAC. There is no benefit for us to be part of the East African Community, economically nor politically. Most East African nations will side with Ethiopia, they also are actively involved destabilizing efforts in Somalia and Somalia has disputes with Kenya over maritime border
Economically it makes no sense, this would be the equivalent of Norway Joining the EU.
Now. Not understanding that it gives other countries in the block entitlements to our territorial and marine resources and especially the disputed offshore oil.Norway another oil rich maritime nation never entered the EU for similar reasons. The Khat trade flowing into Somalia from Kenya is also going to be hard to prevent.

There is nothing that we need that EAC will provide to us if we are real about it. It's a boneheaded move. Somalia should align themselves towards more East as we have done throughout our history.
 
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Egypt will bribe trump into giving them a free pass to destroy AIDStopia, addis will be in flames and the clintonite AU will be snuffed out of existence. J-reer will be recolonised, modern kenya will be incorporated into somaliweyn proper, im actually serious by the way
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
Egypt will bribe trump into giving them a free pass to destroy AIDStopia, addis will be in flames and the clintonite AU will be snuffed out of existence. J-reer will be recolonised, modern kenya will be incorporated into somaliweyn proper, im actually serious by the way

I am for the dissolution of Ethiopia and supporting independent states from within it, but i don't support destroying it or making it go up in flames. It will just lead to a humanitarian crisis and a large refugee population which will impact the region. If Ethiopia was intelligent they would allow for a peaceful secession and disolution, just like Yugoslavia and soviet to prevent further war. But they are stuck with backward feudal state ideology rooted in the middle ages and false entitlements.

Somalia should distance themselves from the rest of Africa except for Egypt and Eritrea which we should maintain alignment. We were the biggest Pan-Africanists in the 70/80s and we aided many African nations and help create peace between nations.

This how it resulted for us:
And other African countries supported Ethiopia against us on the diplomatic front as well in 1977 and 1964. Only Muslim middle eastern/Muslim nations supported us.

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The only country that has recognized Somalia's past support has been Eritrea.

You can also see how this plays out today as well how we come to other African countries to create job opportunities, businesses, help feed them and create work shops to transfer skills. They come to Somalia for a pay check by the US/UN to join missions to undermine Somalia's stability , flood our country with Khat and join terror orgs n mass.

Also there is no reason for Somalia to orient themselves towards other African nations. We are rich in natural resources, so there is really nothing we need from them unlike how the west and the outside world views them.

There is no mutual beneficial relationship we can foster with them.
 
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Idilinaa

(Graduated)
Anyways i'm just giving my thoughts. Share what yall think about it. What are our alignment potentials? and who are our allies? and who are our enemies? that you see
 
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Idilinaa

(Graduated)
I am for the dissolution of Ethiopia and supporting independent states from within it, but i don't support destroying it or making it go up in flames. It will just lead to a humanitarian crisis and a large refugee population which will impact the region. If Ethiopia was intelligent they would allow for a peaceful secession and disolution, just like Yugoslavia and soviet to prevent further war. But they are stuck with backward feudal state ideology rooted in the middle ages and false entitlements.

Somalia should distance themselves from the rest of Africa except for Egypt and Eritrea which we should maintain alignment. We were the biggest Pan-Africanists in the 70/80s and we aided many African nations and help create peace between nations.

This how it resulted for us:


The only country that has recognized Somalia's past support has been Eritrea.

You can also see how this plays out today as well how we come to other African countries to create job opportunities, businesses, help feed them and create work shops to transfer skills. They come to Somalia for a pay check by the US/UN to join missions to undermine Somalia's stability , flood our country with Khat and join terror orgs n mass.

Also there is no reason for Somalia to orient themselves towards other African nations. We are rich in natural resources, so there is really nothing we need from them unlike how the west and the outside world views them.

There is no mutual beneficial relationship we can foster with them.

I also think Somalia , Djibouti, Egypt and Eritrea should create a Red Sea Council an official body for formal inter-parliamentary Red Sea cooperation among Red Sea nations.

Sudan and Yemen are in political disarray atm so their politics is a bit uncertain, but the other 3 countries can lead the way and they can make it political viable option for them to join later on once the political situation in those countries stabilize itself.
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
I also think Somalia , Djibouti, Egypt and Eritrea should create a Red Sea Council an official body for formal inter-parliamentary Red Sea cooperation among Red Sea nations.

Sudan and Yemen are in political disarray atm so their politics is a bit uncertain, but the other 3 countries can lead the way and they can make it political viable option for them to join later on once the political situation in those countries stabilize itself.

@EritreanPost_ what do you think of this? Kinda like the Nordic council.

See:

And it seems more viable now than ever.

The Red SEE Alliance: Three Nations Stand Together to Resist Ethiopia's Imperial Ambitions

But we should bar Saudi and UAE out from the alliance because they effectively are active regional de stabilizers.
 
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I am for the dissolution of Ethiopia and supporting independent states from within it
I am for Somali domination of "Ethiopia" and its land
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but i don't support destroying it or making it go up in flames. It will just lead to a humanitarian crisis and a large refugee population which will impact the region.
the ethiopia myth will persist until aids ababa is destroyed and falls in ruin. only then will the myth of ethiopia be fully discredited. if you destroy addis you destroy ethiopia, it's the only part of the country with any economic and political relevance.

the refugee aspect is overrated, ethiopia already has tons of refugees. you don't hear about them because they won't be granted asylum as "ethiopians". the entire area surrounding addis is already a warzone and tigray is decimated and an eritrean playground. I don't even care for any humanitarian crisis anyway f*ck them. depopulation is good. it's already happening in sudan, we went through it, what makes them so special?


as for the main topic, you can't make any predictions until trump announces his cabinet. it's clear that the new american order will be more isolationalist. so expect the foreign aid and war on terror era foreign policies to end. the new power in the north east africa region will be turkey, especially after the maritime deal HSM signed with them. turkey and egypt are both on the same page regarding somalia and in the past trump has been so easily persuaded by both governments through transaction. also no more money for apesom UN xalane NGO trash.
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
I am for Somali domination of "Ethiopia" and its land
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the ethiopia myth will persist until aids ababa is destroyed and falls in ruin. only then will the myth of ethiopia be fully discredited. if you destroy addis you destroy ethiopia, it's the only part of the country with any economic and political relevance.

the refugee aspect is overrated, ethiopia already has tons of refugees. you don't hear about them because they won't be granted asylum as "ethiopians". the entire area surrounding addis is already a warzone and tigray is decimated and an eritrean playground. I don't even care for any humanitarian crisis anyway f*ck them. depopulation is good. it's already happening in sudan, we went through it, what makes them so special?
But those refugees were from Tigray that spilled over to Eritrea and Sudan. Somaliland/Puntland already has a Ethiopian cross border migrant crisis they can't handle.

So imagine if things go full out everywhere else and it might even impact Ogaden as well, which will undue all the progress they have made since 2018

As much as i dislike Ethiopia for what it embodies and i believe as it stands now it's just a liability and chaos maker, it will not result in an advantageous situation for us.

And i don't want to see more human suffering, What happened in Tigray and the stories from it are horrific. I wouldn't want to wish that on anyone.

We should never play the evil role of destabilizer's, it goes against our historical, cultural and political ethics.

as for the main topic, you can't make any predictions until trump announces his cabinet. it's clear that the new american order will be more isolationalist. so expect the foreign aid and war on terror era foreign policies to end. the new power in the north east africa region will be turkey, especially after the maritime deal HSM signed with them. turkey and egypt are both on the same page regarding somalia and in the past trump has been so easily persuaded by both governments through transaction. also no more money for apesom UN xalane NGO trash.

I am uncertain about this too after what @Galool said:

Again, some of you are stuck in 2016. Back then, most of the zionist media hated trump for his rhetoric that emboldened a right wing base and he had isolationist tendencies and isolationist americans in his admin. Even then, he has his ulta-zionist chabad son in law doing all the middle east policies which recognized Jerusalem as part of the zionist state and the abraham accords.

This time around, he has completely given in to the zionists and they are now all behind him, even the historically democrat ones.

He is more of a zionist shill now then back then.

Frankly, I do not believe in voting and I know they are both zionist shills but lets be honest, even right wingers who were avowed trump supporters historically have been lamenting how he is now fully controlled by Netanyahu. It is 2024, not 2016. A lot has changed.


 
But those refugees were from Tigray that spilled over to Eritrea and Sudan. Somaliland/Puntland already has a Ethiopian cross border migrant crisis they can't handle.

So imagine if things go full out everywhere else and it might even impact Ogaden as well, which will undue all the progress they have made since 2018

As much as i dislike Ethiopia for what it embodies and i believe as it stands now it's just a liability and chaos maker, it will not result in an advantageous situation for us.

And i don't want to see more human suffering, What happened in Tigray and the stories from it are horrific. I wouldn't want to wish that on anyone.

We should never play the evil role of destabilizer's, it goes against our historical, cultural and political ethics.



I am uncertain about this too after what @Galool said:
The probelm with his perspective is that it doesn't take into account that Trump has deep ties with certain arab regimes in the region . Plus eygpt which has been a major supporter of him. The opinion of his son in law basically means nothing in the face of this.

Also the u.s isn't our enemy. It's the whale we have too maneuver around. Nothing good will ever come from us having a bad relationship with them since they will never leave our region.
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
The probelm with his perspective is that it doesn't take into account that Trump has deep ties with certain arab regimes in the region . Plus eygpt which has been a major supporter of him. The opinion of his son in law basically means nothing in the face of this.

Also the u.s isn't our enemy. It's the whale we have too maneuver around. Nothing good will ever come from us having a bad relationship with them since they will never leave our region.

Elaborate?

Trying to harbor good relations with them did not help us much in the past.
 

TekNiKo

Loyal To The One True Caliph (Hafidahullah)
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Somalia needs to cut off the UAE and its Zionist vassal states (Kenya and Itoobiya). As long as these three have any political/military presence our nation will forever be handicapped and kept in a state of chaotic limbo.

If I were President I would immediately expel AMISOM and make overtures to any would be opposing militias.
 
Elaborate?

Trying to harbor good relations with them did not help us much in the past.
The united states will never stop interfering/ holding a presence in our region becuase of hiw close it is to the red sea and the middle east. Are two options are that we either have a bad relationship with them or a good relationship. The benefits from a good relationship is that right now have the givt funding in somalia comes from American aid. They also just also signed the deal for a 1.4 billion dollar debt relief.
 

Idilinaa

(Graduated)
The united states will never stop interfering/ holding a presence in our region becuase of hiw close it is to the red sea and the middle east. Are two options are that we either have a bad relationship with them or a good relationship. The benefits from a good relationship is that right now have the givt funding in somalia comes from American aid. They also just also signed the deal for a 1.4 billion dollar debt relief.

Do you think we should approach them like China does? seeing how United States favours and protects Taiwan, and meddle in the south china sea causing tensions.

In similar fashion they together with Israel will always favour Ethiopia over us, meddle into the red sea and interfere in our internal domestic affairs to orient a government more aligned with their ideology and interests.

Both China and US still maintain diplomatic and economic relationships, function like quasi-enemies trying to limit and extend their reach.

We can maintain a delicate Economic and Diplomatic relations with them. We don't have to extend our influence/reach , only limit theirs.
 
Do you think we should approach them like China does? seeing how United States favours and protects Taiwan, and meddle in the south china sea causing tensions.

In similar fashion they together with Israel will always favour Ethiopia over us, meddle into the red sea and interfere in our internal domestic affairs to orient a government more aligned with their ideology and interests.

Both China and US still maintain diplomatic and economic relationships, function like quasi-enemies trying to limit and extend their reach.

We can maintain a delicate Economic and Diplomatic relations with them. We don't have to extend our influence/reach , only limit theirs.
I dont think the u.s will always favor ethiopia over us at all. ( they sanctionee ethiopia rember? Plus if they really liked them that much they would have supported this mou on some level but instead they probably find abiy problematic and annoying) The only thing is that they will never let their relationship be too antagonistic with ethiopia. But considering abiys personality and ego. I don't think he can really maintain a good relationship with America. We have a diaspora that will likley only grow more influential in the coming decades in america. Plus the benefits of us being better allies of America is that we will likley get funding and other support.
 
The probelm with his perspective is that it doesn't take into account that Trump has deep ties with certain arab regimes in the region . Plus eygpt which has been a major supporter of him. The opinion of his son in law basically means nothing in the face of this.

Also the u.s isn't our enemy. It's the whale we have too maneuver around. Nothing good will ever come from us having a bad relationship with them since they will never leave our region.

You are so wrong about this. US is controlled by Israel their funding and state building projects has never resulted in a stable recovered country, point the one Muslim example?

Their funding is to keep managing chaos and have a presence whilst pretending to be helping, in reality they are dismantling any recovery strength, destroying agriculture/farmers, funding liberal degenerate NGO's, and propping up their puppets, whilst fighting to keep Muslims from organizing based on Islam.

US is a zionist controlled enemy of Islam and Muslims, if you do not know this now you will eventually give up and learn.
 
The probelm with his perspective is that it doesn't take into account that Trump has deep ties with certain arab regimes in the region . Plus eygpt which has been a major supporter of him. The opinion of his son in law basically means nothing in the face of this.

Also the u.s isn't our enemy. It's the whale we have too maneuver around. Nothing good will ever come from us having a bad relationship with them since they will never leave our region.

Trump did not have deep ties with the gulf arab states, after the arab spring they reached out to Israel and agreed to completely capitulate/normalize if they could help them get support in washington, which they did. Which is why there was the abraham accords and they hard core (especially UAE) embraced zionism.

The line runs through the zionists, they do not have an independent relationship with him beyond that. Which is why the only time trump mentions them it in light of the abraham accords and how he can control the arab/muslims with peaceful accords instead of war, so he says.
 
You are so wrong about this. US is controlled by Israel their funding and state building projects has never resulted in a stable recovered country, point the one Muslim example?

Their funding is to keep managing chaos and have a presence whilst pretending to be helping, in reality they are dismantling any recovery strength, destroying agriculture/farmers, funding liberal degenerate NGO's, and propping up their puppets, whilst fighting to keep Muslims from organizing based on Islam.

US is a zionist controlled enemy of Islam and Muslims, if you do not know this now you will eventually give up and learn.
America is not controlled by zionists . The reality is that the Palestinie issue is irrelevant to the American politicans they honestly dont care about for them they have biggest fish to fry like china and russia and doemstic issues. So if the aipac gives them money for their campaigns and only asks them to vote pro israel on the issue they don't even really care about ? They'll obviously say yes


To your point about state building. The reality is that they don't want to be directly involved anymore outside funding and military training. But also You should not mix geopolitics with relegion. Until the u.s collapses which won't happen in the next 20 or 30 years every muslim country will work with them on some level . Even the ones who don't like them. Geopolitics is ruthless and brutal and it doesn't care about people's feelings. Russia and China are not some saviours or allies of Islam. The muslim states will only do things that are in their specific national intrest even if that harms muslim in other countries. If you even knew a tenth of what all these countries got up then you wouldn't bring mroalistix thinking into poltics.

I dont even think you can really need that rlegious and be a politican becuase of all the fucked up things you have to do.
 
Somalia should try to market ourselves as the gateway to Africa from the East.

We have ties with the Middle East through centuries of contact, India through trade, Europe through colonialism. There is no go to for Russia/China/SEA/Iran/Turkey to help create alliances within the continent and that’s where our diplomatic future lies I believe.

I also think we should look to dominate East Africa. We have a sizable presence in ETH/KEN/TAN/UGA. That’s 300 million people. We know this can work because our businessmen have succeeded here
 
America is not controlled by zionists . The reality is that the Palestinie issue is irrelevant to the American politicans they honestly dont care about for them they have biggest fish to fry like china and russia and doemstic issues. So if the aipac gives them money for their campaigns and only asks them to vote pro israel on the issue they don't even really care about ? They'll obviously say yes


To your point about state building. The reality is that they don't want to be directly involved anymore outside funding and military training. But also You should not mix geopolitics with relegion. Until the u.s collapses which won't happen in the next 20 or 30 years every muslim country will work with them on some level . Even the ones who don't like them. Geopolitics is ruthless and brutal and it doesn't care about people's feelings. Russia and China are not some saviours or allies of Islam. The muslim states will only do things that are in their specific national intrest even if that harms muslim in other countries. If you even knew a tenth of what all these countries got up then you wouldn't bring mroalistix thinking into poltics.

I dont even think you can really need that rlegious and be a politican becuase of all the fucked up things you have to do.

America is not controlled by zionists? Even non-Muslims of every political leaning know that for a fact today.

If you believe the US is not controlled by zionists and americans are genuinely trying to fix Muslim countries but have gotten exhausted from working so hard. I dont know what to tell you, it is too much to even cover.

Also, as a Muslim you need to know everything is about Islam and deen, Allah SWT put us on this earth and warned us through the Quran about what life on this earth would be like and what we need to look out for.

If you have been tricked into secularism that is one thing, it is another to still be blind to the fact that everything that is happening is due to different groups closely held *religious* beliefs.

Yeah but idk how to help you here, I would advise taking time to research all of this as it seems you are stuck in the mainstream propaganda that most people have come out of.
 

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