Huge World Bank poverty survey

[Hemaal]

It is the capital of Puntland + pirate money from Eyl. If you visit Garowe you will see some expensive shiny villas
everywhere.

Not really, there isn't any Pirate money circling around anymore. I have went to Garoowe in 2008, I was young but overall standard of life was very much different compared to hargeisa.

 

[Bohol]

There has to be more to it than that. Hargaysa is the capital of Somaliland and poverty is still very high. The pirate money might play a small role, as it may have helped people start up businesses or invest.

In Hargeisa money stays only within few politicians were's in Garowe it trickles down to the population more. Congrats to Pland anyway.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Not really, there isn't any Pirate money circling around anymore. I have went to Garoowe in 2008, I was young but overall standard of life was very much different compared to hargeisa.

Different how?

 

[Bohol]

Not really, there isn't any Pirate money circling around anymore. I have went to Garoowe in 2008, I was young but overall standard of life was very much different compared to hargeisa.

Have you noticed how most of the roads in Garowe are paved with street lights intact. It is a very well planned city.

 

[Abdalla]

Wallahi it's crazy how the two bordering gobols of Sool and Nugaal can be soo different. I believe most of this data was collected after the drought had already decimated the livestock in the northern regions. Since Sool is one of the regions most dependent on livestock, because there is hardly any farming going on there nor is fishing possible, it would make sense it's in the red. On the other hand many of the residents in Nugaal subsist on fishing, and thus are less reliant on livestock. I'm not sure if there are farms in Nugaal as well. Anyone wanna chime in as to why Nugaal is doing so well?

I think it has more to do with good policy than camels. All Somalis suffered roughly the same during the last two drought. I think it comes down to inequality.

@Bohol are you saying that pirats contributed to access to clean water, high literacy rates, relatively low inequality? That's absolutely nonsense.

 

[Hemaal]

Different how?

Cost of living for starters everything was half priced compared to hargeisa, very affordable to even low income families.

 

[merka]

Wallahi it's crazy how the two bordering gobols of Sool and Nugaal can be soo different. I believe most of this data was collected after the drought had already decimated the livestock in the northern regions. Since Sool is one of the regions most dependent on livestock, because there is hardly any farming going on there nor is fishing possible, it would make sense it's in the red. On the other hand many of the residents in Nugaal subsist on fishing, and thus are less reliant on livestock. I'm not sure if there are farms in Nugaal as well. Anyone wanna chime in as to why Nugaal is doing so well?

Skimming through the data it seems that Puntland has better social welfare programs than the other regions that have little to no social programs at all.

The sad part is that Somaliland has the lowest labor participation rate even though it's education rates are on par with the rest.

No wonder poverty is so bad because no one fucking works

 

[jugjugwacwac]

The provinces in the red Sool, Togdheer and Sanaag are where the craziest and proudest nomadic northern clans are from, namely the Habar Yoonis, Habar Jeclo and Dhulbahante. It's sad to see that they've been humbled by the droughts, and the clans that they would tease for being soft urbanites or petty farmers or fisherman, like the Habar Awal, Gadabuursi and Majeerteen, are now doing much better than them.

 

[Bohol]

I think it has more to do with good policy than camels. All Somalis suffered roughly the same during the last two drought. I think it comes down to inequality.

@Bohol are you saying that pirats contributed to access to clean water, high literacy rates, relatively low inequality? That's absolutely nonsense.

No but we can't deny they own some of those expensive villas in Garowe. They quit the sea game
back in 2009 -2010 though.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I think it has more to do with good policy than camels. All Somalis suffered roughly the same during the last two drought. I think it comes down to inequality.

@Bohol are you saying that pirats contributed to access to clean water, high literacy rates, relatively low inequality? That's absolutely nonsense.

All Somalis definitely did not suffer the same during the droughts. Clans the like the Dhulbahante or Habar Yoonis, who rely almost exclusively on their livestock will fare much much worse than clans who fish for a living.

 

[Bohol]

The provinces in the red Sool, Togdheer and Sanaag are where the craziest and proudest nomadic northern clans are from, nameley the Habar Yoonis, Habar Jeclo and Dhulbahante. It's sad to see that they've been humbled by the droughts, and the clans that they would tease for being soft urbanites or petty farmers or fisherman, like the Habar Awal, Gadabuursi and Majeerteen, are now doing much better than them.

Sanaag, Sool and Togdheer don't have a port/airport plus most of the aid and SDF (Somaliland Development Fund) is allocated to the western regions.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Wallahi it's crazy how the two bordering gobols of Sool and Nugaal can be soo different. I believe most of this data was collected after the drought had already decimated the livestock in the northern regions. Since Sool is one of the regions most dependent on livestock, because there is hardly any farming going on there nor is fishing possible, it would make sense it's in the red. On the other hand many of the residents in Nugaal subsist on fishing, and thus are less reliant on livestock. I'm not sure if there are farms in Nugaal as well. Anyone wanna chime in as to why Nugaal is doing so well?

Most of this data was collected in the begining of 2016. Sool lagging behind Nugaal is due probably due to political instability. I don't know what else explains it. Sool was actually a single gobol with present day Nugaal at some point.

People in Nugaal don't actually fish that much, it is one of the most nomadic gobols in Somalia as a percent of the population.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Most of this data was collected in the begining of 2016. Sool lagging behind Nugaal is due probably due to political instability. I don't know what else explains it. Sool was actually a single gobol with present day Nugaal at some point.

People in Nugaal don't actually fish that much, it is one of the most nomadic gobols in Somalia as a percent of the population.

That's very interesting. I would have never thought that politics and policy would have created such a disparity. Cajiib.

 

[Hemaal]

Skimming through the data it seems that Puntland has better social welfare programs than the other regions that have little to no social programs at all.

The sad part is that Somaliland has the lowest labor participation rate even though it's education rates are on par with the rest.

No wonder poverty is so bad because no one fucking works

This.
Waar they're waiting for a white collar job with a Manhattan view office

 

[Starscream]

Wallahi it's crazy how the two bordering gobols of Sool and Nugaal can be soo different. I believe most of this data was collected after the drought had already decimated the livestock in the northern regions. Since Sool is one of the regions most dependent on livestock, because there is hardly any farming going on there nor is fishing possible, it would make sense it's in the red. On the other hand many of the residents in Nugaal subsist on fishing, and thus are less reliant on livestock. I'm not sure if there are farms in Nugaal as well. Anyone wanna chime in as to why Nugaal is doing so well?

Like @Bohol sool starved by the vultures next door nearly all the aid is stolen
At the end of the day they brought it to themselves

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

That's very interesting. I would have never thought that politics and policy would have created such a disparity. Cajiib.

Found the numbers, Nugaal and sool are basically the same exact gobol! It seems that at very low levels of development, politics matters quite a lot.

 

[Abdalla]

@Armadillo I forgot to tag you, you fat bastard

 

[merka]

This.
Waar they're waiting for a white collar job with a Manhattan view office

Bro when I was in SL this summer all the young guys either wanted to be journalists or work in an office for one of the major companies like Dahabshiil or Telesom.

When I asked them about working in construction they all went silent.

I told them then who's gonna build the roads and other infrastructure that you're complaining about?!?

 

[Hemaal]

Bro when I was in SL this summer all the young guys either wanted to be journalists or work in an office for one of the major companies like Dahabshiil or Telesom.

When I asked them about working in construction they all went silent.

I told them then who's gonna build the roads and other infrastructure that you're complaining about?!?

I know. I want to see a case study on what's causing it. Have you seen how the construction sector is filled with foreign manpower from Pakis, Oromo, Indians and god know who else.

 

[Bohol]

I know. I want to see a case study on what's causing it. Have you seen how the construction sector is filled with foreign manpower from Pakis, Oromo, Indians and god know who else.

A lot of Somalilanders are brain-dead for the most part. I realized that when I saw tuulos
made of shacks and mud huts like it is 1800 Africa. They can simply get a brick making
machine from Alibaba which costs as little as $1000 and make brick buildings in every
village with the abundance of sand in Somaliland.