I have seen many times people claiming Harar to be the fourth holiest city in Islam. Why is this the case?

[Daadhi Tarree]

Quit the yapping and explain? Harla were around before the harari people formed so what were they then?

There’s other groups in the horn not just Somalis also Harla were the first in the harar plateau and harari is a new ethnicity

 

[Aseer]

There’s other groups in the horn not just Somalis also Harla were the first in the harar plateau and harari is a new ethnicity

Name them. And provide proof and backing for harla not being somali.

The Harla are literally mentioned as under Somali tribes in the Futuh:

In the chapter, “The Somali Tribes reach Harar”, a Somali commander says this, ‘This will never happen. If they want war, then we will assemble our armies from the people of Sim and from the Somali tribes: the tribe of Girri, the tribe of Habr Maqdi, the tribe of Harla, for our armies have been dispersed. How can we do as they wish? We shall not surrender the country to them.” (Futuh - P. 104)

 

[Daadhi Tarree]

Name them. And provide proof and backing for harla not being somali.

The Harla are literally mentioned as under Somali tribes in the Futuh:

In the chapter, “The Somali Tribes reach Harar”, a Somali commander says this, ‘This will never happen. If they want war, then we will assemble our armies from the people of Sim and from the Somali tribes: the tribe of Girri, the tribe of Habr Maqdi, the tribe of Harla, for our armies have been dispersed. How can we do as they wish? We shall not surrender the country to them.” (Futuh - P. 104)

Ngga why you lying Harla and somalis were always separate go argue wit the wall with your thick head

 

[Aseer]

Ngga why you lying Harla and somalis were always separate go argue wit the wall with your thick head

Its right there in the futuh al habash do you want me to provide more proof? You keep barking about how harla arent somalis but bring no proof, no evidence, no sources no nothing to back your claims

 

[Idilinaa]

There’s other groups in the horn not just Somalis also Harla were the first in the harar plateau and harari is a new ethnicity

Harla was 1 single Somali darood clan that lived between hawash and at end the of upper shabelle. They didn't even live in Harar. There is zero proof they was a seperate ethnicity as well.

Around the same place futuh places them:

There was multiple Somali agro-pastoral clans living in the hawash river around showa that acted as a border Baqulzar, Gatur, Warjac , Hargayah etc even sections of Geri were sedentary agro-pastoralists with Gedayah Geri in the showa area.

It is Oromo oral mythology that blows them up an makes them something more than they are and ascribes to them stuff they are not even responsible for building. There is no Harla kingdom at all, they were just 1 clan among many.

No sources says Somalis bordered Amharas

A recent Oxford academic study says Somalis pretty much dominated Showa and conquered the Amhara province and expanded from the Somali inhabited areas.. They are basing this on cultural and material evidence that connects it to Somali inhabited areas away from the highlands, as it underwent a cultural change.

This is pretty much confirmed by Al-Maqrizi who says the Walashma founders expanded from Jabarta and a local medieval chronicle document who detail them to be by from Awdal.

Al-Maqrizi literally says they came from northern Somalia (Jabarta region connected to Zeila) and gradually moved further inland to occupy Awfat.

Local manuscript on the History of Walashma confirms and details the same thing about them conquering Shoa and incorporating it with Awdal (Zeila province).