I personally do not agree with apostasy laws

[Amk]

You and I are what they call 'revisionists". 30's year's war, white people(protestant) fought an entire war to reform Christianity. I share your beliefs, but they are wrong in the context of Islam. I don't consider a Gay Muslim, not of Islam, but 99% of Muslims will condemn him. <--- This is revisionist. (Meaning our revisionism is anti-Islamic, and thus, well brethren of Hell ) Revisionism is anti-Islam, anti-Islam is not Islam. The deen is perfect, it was handed down generations in perfect order without fault, without wrong, without need for #revisiosionism.

You either leave the religion, or you bind yourself to everything it adheres to on everything. This is how Islam has been able to endure and this is how it will continue to endure for centuries. What bends is contorted, what doesn't bend either dies or endurs.

As @Amk said, you cannot change the words written in the Quran, nor it's customs, nor it's people, nor it's culture, nor it's history.

Your problem is using a spiritual/faith/(somali word for heart) thing in a rational manner.


Nigga, <---------------- This is intentional.



Nigga.



1+1 isn't a faith based system. If you grew up in the West, stop using your mind to understand Faith based system.

1+1 isn't 2 in Faith. Don't get this shit twisted.

1+1 = Islamic Answer. <=== Don't question it. To question is revisionism. That is literally no lie.

Your equation: 1+1 = 'My personal answer" =/(does not equal) 'Islamic Answer'

What you want: 1+1: 'My personal answer === 'the right answer, please change mfs'

No.


What keeps Islam strong, is that it doesn't bend. It'll never bend. Its laws and structure is for eternity or until the end of time.

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Their hearts are too hard.
Its like Allah described bani israaeel in the Quran, they deny parts of the book and accept others, if someone comes with what thy dont like they get arrogant and dont accept, they think their understanding of morality is better than Allahs, but if u tel them that they get too embarrassed to admit it so they will start making up stupid excuses as to why they r not arrogant.

 

[Amk]

This is why tafsir is so important. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) wasn't only sent to teach the recitation of the Quran. In regards to the Quran, he also taught the interpretation. It isn't for us to make our own interpretation. We have to learn the correct understanding of the Quran.

If everyone intepreted the Quran their own way everyone would contradict each other, which is why different sects formed despite their being only 1 Quran

 

[Amk]

We have indeed sent down revelations clarifying ˹the truth˺. But Allah ˹only˺ guides whoever He wills to the Straight Path.
And the hypocrites say, “We believe in Allah and the Messenger, and we obey.” Then a group of them turns away soon after that. These are not ˹true˺ believers.
And as soon as they are called to Allah and His Messenger so he may judge between them, a group of them turns away.
But if the truth is in their favour, they come to him, fully submitting.
Is there a sickness in their hearts? Or are they in doubt? Or do they fear that Allah and His Messenger will be unjust to them? In fact, it is they who are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.
24:46-50

 

[liya]

Yh bc in the religion we dont want ppl to confess there sins if Allah hides a sin for u u should hide it and repent, the ounishments are an expiation for the people and a repellent to others.
Most ppl confessed their sins bc they felt so guilty they kept on insisting for the prescribed punishment to happen on them
As a muslim u want to think the best about ur muslim brother which is why the prophet ﷺ turned his head

I know right. Thank you for this

 

[Sheikh Google]

6 pages of cognitive dissonance and @Tamir from the top rope coming with the facts. The amount of times "there is no compulsion in religion" ayah from surah al baqarah has been misquoted is absurd. Read the very next ayaah or even better read the tafsir on this specific point. Anyway its moot as apostasy only works under shari'ah so you niggas are safe. Wether you agree with or not depends on you. The Qur'an and Hadith are clear on this matter.

 

[Sheikh Google]

Yeah personally I don’t really care. At least Somali Sufi don’t think every aposoate deserves death, only the ones who are in higher power that commit treason as they are dangerous to the state.

Personally, I’m VERY against apostasy but I wouldn’t mind befriending one like @Apollo or @Sheikh Google whos a semi-apostate. But for @AbdiGaalDoon , I would snitch on him to Alkebab

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Love you too sis. Don't snitch on me when I sneak out for some good ol adultery tho...

 

[Aurelian]

Give me any of the 4 sunni schools of thought that believe there is no apostasy law for killing.

The prophet himself let some murtadin go unharmed, and if the killing of the apostate was Hudud allah then the prophet would not let them go, and anyone who says that the prophet ignore hudud allah then he is an apostate himself as Ibn hazm says. Meaning that killing of the murtad is not one of hudud alllah



Hanafi argued that the killing of murtad is only limited to the non peaceful male

It is narrated from Ibn Abbas that he said, “The female apostate is not killed.” This is because the unbelief of the woman is not equal to the unbelief of the man — which leads to (physical) devastation. So, she is not equal in the liability to be killed, as is known.

— Abu al-Layth al-Samarqandi (d. 373 AH/ 983 CE). Mukhtalaf al-Riwayah, vol. 3, pp. 1298-1299

It is necessary to kill for apostasy to avert the evil of war, not as punishment for the act of disbelief. Because the greatest punishment for that is with Allah. This (the punishment of killing) is for those who come with war, and that is the man. This is because the Prophet prohibited killing women, and the reason is because they do not fight. Because of this (reasoning) we say: If a woman apostate has an opinion and a following (for the sake of war), then she is killed. Not for her apostasy, but because she was spreading corruption in the earth. However, (the female apostate) is imprisoned, because she has refrained from performing the right of Allah after accepting it, like one is imprisoned for (violating) the rights of others.

— Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahid al-Siwasi (Ibn al-Hummam) (d. 861 AH/1456 CE). Fath al-Qadir

6 pages of cognitive dissonance and @Tamir from the top rope coming with the facts. The amount of times "there is no compulsion in religion" ayah from surah al baqarah has been misquoted is absurd. Read the very next ayaah or even better read the tafsir on this specific point. Anyway its moot as apostasy only works under shari'ah so you niggas are safe. Wether you agree with or not depends on you. The Qur'an and Hadith are clear on this matter.

The Quran don't say that the apostate should be killed.

Had your Lord willed, all those on earth would have believed altogether. Would you, then, compel people, so that they become believers?

Surely, those who believed and then disbelieved, believed again and then disbelieved, then went on increasing in their disbelief - Allah is not to forgive them nor lead them on the path. Quran 4:137

How the let them believe then disbelieve multiple times.

 

[Bundasliga]

@Tamir @Omar del Sur
I read more & yall are right .
Western apologists are cowards & backtracking.
.The only who didn't backtracked was Daniel haqiqatjou.

@Tamir that's why I asked for the islamic definition of apostate ,because they said it means something like treason/traitor & not just ex Muslim

 

[The alchemist]

There is no such thing as "personal truth" in this world. It's either objectively true or it isn't. Everyone can't have contradicting opinions about something and call it their personal truth. This mainly stems from modern age stupidity that can be traced back to the post-modern era philosophers that tried to break every conceptual barrier and fundamental terminological meanings in things while at the same time using those linguistic tools to display their confusing philosophical stances.

 

[Deleted L]

@Tamir @Omar del Sur
I read more & yall are right .
Western apologists are cowards & backtracking.
.The only who didn't backtracked was Daniel haqiqatjou.

@Tamir that's why I asked for the islamic definition of apostate ,because they said it means something like treason/traitor & not just ex Muslim

The Islamic definition of an Apostate is very simple, one who leaves the religion of Islam. If you don’t believe in Islam anymore, you’re an Apostate. If you live in a Muslim land governed by the Shariah and you publicly and unambiguously announce your Apostatsy then you will be detained and executed by the judicial authorities if you haven’t reverted back to Islam after a certain waiting period.

Nowadays, due to the spread and dominance of Western values and culture in the 21st century, Muslims by in large have been influenced by liberal Western ideas such as “Equality”, “Human rights”, “freedom of religion”, “feminism” etc so they interpret Islam in a way that fits within their Western moral paradigm. Many Muslim speakers (not all) are distorting certain aspects of Islam to fit within the Western moral paradigm and to make it more palatable to Western audiences which in the long run will eventually backfire against us.

The famous Ḥanbalī jurist, Muwaffaq al-Dīn ibn Qudāmah (541 – 620 H), for example, said: “The people of religious knowledge have reached consensus on the obligation of executing apostates. This has been reported from Abū Bakr, ‘Uthmān, ‘Alī, Mu‘ādh, Abū Mūsā, Ibn ‘Abbās, Khālid and others, without any disapproval – hence, there was consensus.” (al-Mughnī, Dār ‘Ālam al-Kutub, 12:264)

The famous scholar of ḥadīth and jurisprudence, Ibn Daqīq al-‘Īd (625 – 702 H), said: “Apostasy is a cause of making the blood of a Muslim licit by consensus with respect to a male [apostate].” (Fatḥ al-Bārī, Dār al-Salām, 12:251)

Classical Islamic views on the punishment of Apostasy

Classical Islāmic Views on the Punishment for Apostasy

By Abu Amir Comments on Classical Islāmic Views on the Punishment for Apostasy Classically, there has been consensus amongst the Muslim jurists that, in an Islāmic polity, an apostate from Islām wh…

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Al-Sarakhsī on Apostasy – A Response to Dr Jonathan AC Brown

Al-Sarakhsī on Apostasy – A Response to Dr Jonathan AC Brown

By Abu Amir Dr Jonathan Brown has written a paper on the Islāmic ruling on apostasy. [1] The basic thesis he argues is summarised in the abstract: The Shariah consists of some laws that remain the …

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Bassam Zawadi's rebuttal to Jonathan Brown on Apostasy - https://justpaste.it/8x3dl​

The Punishment for Apostasy in Islam: by Dr. Sulṭān al-‘Umayrī - https://www.academia.edu/41311894/The_Punishment_for_Apostasy_in_Islam_by_Dr_Sulṭān_al_Umayrī

Of course Apostates should be killed by Bassam Zawadi - https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/of_course_apostates_should_be_killed

 

[Abdalla]

Nobody gets killed for just leaving Islam. Just like nobody gets killed for adultry. However, if someone does these things in public and therefore cause mischief, that’s when the hard punishment comes to play. The fabric of society should stay intact

 

[Abdalla]

The reason why no munifiqoon were killed was not bc they are a free from the ruling

The reason why they weren’t killed us hecause they didn’t publically confess their disbelief. They were hidding their disbelief thus they were munafiqoon.

Aurelian is purposely twisting his arguments. We’re satisfied with Allah as our Lord, Islam as our religion, Muhammad as our prophet and messenger. We accept all the rulings conveyed from Allah to the prophet. We’re not like the Jews who believe in parts of the scripture and disbelief in other parts.

أَفَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِبَعْضِ الْكِتَابِ وَتَكْفُرُونَ بِبَعْضٍ
So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah 85

The ones saying killing apostates is barbaric are not more merciful than Allah.

 

[Na_240308]

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Walaal, our religion doesn't say to kill people for becoming non muslim .

Sadly it does, killing people for their religion is so inhumane only an insane psycho completely brainwashed by religion and religion only would do so, thank god lots of Muslims don’t agree with this ruling.

 

[Na_240308]

I agree with everything writen on the quran

Ex muslim do sooo much damage to the comunity once they leave, its like they make it theor life to bash Islam everyday

have never seen a ex muslim , exit islam peacfully and moved on

So weired to be obssesed with the very thing you hate so much

You agree With non Muslims being killed? Because they do too much “damage”. i am Muslim but never in my life would I ever agree with this crazy bullsh*t how can u kill someone because they leave your religion? You believe it’s justifiable to kill a non Muslim because they make you insecure in your faith then ur a crazy asf. Wallahi I’m starting to think if you agree with everything in Islam than you have a corrupt moral compass.

 

[Taij4an]

You agree With non Muslims being killed? Because they do too much “damage”. i am Muslim but never in my life would I ever agree with this crazy bullsh*t how can u kill someone because they leave your religion? You believe it’s justifiable to kill a non Muslim because they make you insecure in your faith then ur a crazy asf. Wallahi I’m starting to think if you agree with everything in Islam than you have a corrupt moral compass.

Summary of your comment
Islam is a corrupt moral compass for life

 

[warshuush]

You agree With non Muslims being killed? Because they do too much “damage”. i am Muslim but never in my life would I ever agree with this crazy bullsh*t how can u kill someone because they leave your religion? You believe it’s justifiable to kill a non Muslim because they make you insecure in your faith then ur a crazy asf. Wallahi I’m starting to think if you agree with everything in Islam than you have a corrupt moral compass.

As I said I bealive in everything in the quran, so yes I agree. How are you a muslim but don't bealive whats in the Quran? So are you following some verses and skipping what you don't agree with?

 

[warshuush]

Summary of your comment
Islam is a corrupt moral compass for life

So what do you bealive in then? What religon do you follow?

 

[CryptoSomali]

Stop spewing bidah after bidah and dalalah after dalalah. Who should we follow, your feelings and opinions or the Sunnah?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3017
Narrated `Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih al-Bukhari 7157
Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu`adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu`adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu`adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.

 

[Taij4an]

So what do you bealive in then? What religon do you follow?

I follow Islam fully, unlike some people who act like munafiqoon
O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. 2:208
Allah describes hypocrites as not fully entering Islam
Surely the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but He outwits them. When they stand up for prayer, they do it half-heartedly only to be seen by people—hardly remembering Allah at all.
Torn between belief and disbelief—belonging neither to these ˹believers˺ nor those ˹disbelievers˺. And whoever Allah leaves to stray, you will never find for them a way.
4:142

 

[niggaibnh]

I am specifically talking about punishing someone to death just because they left Islam.

In my own personal opinion, in our life time we are looking and searching for answers, some people could explore their answers on their own and find their own truth in the end and others have to leave the things they learn from their family behind because it wasn’t their own personal truth anyways.

idc it just baffles me? It really doesn’t make sense to just kill off someone just because they left Islam and explained that it isn’t their own personal truth

I think u got the rules wrong sister

Those who leave Islam will not be killed and they can pretty much live in the lands of Muslims .

However those who leave Islam and wage war against prophet Mohammed saw, Allah and Islam then the judge will pick two choices

-kick them out of the lands and never again
-kill them