Ilhan Omar: 'We must confront the hateful ideology of white nationalism'

[Omar del Sur]

Omar,

Democracy is not religion from a western prespective.

The Western perspective is welcome to jump off a cliff. And if the Western perspective believes in democracy, the Western perspective is wrong. Islam is right and democracy is wrong.

Islam is superior to all other ways of life.

There are americans opposed to your presence in the country because of your faith and they don't care if you were born in America or not.

If they don't like me, they can go back to Europe.

#SendEmBack

 

[Omar del Sur]

Ilhan is your best option to get your needs addressed if you live in her district.

Ilhan is not a best option. Women don't belong in politics and the scandal is not surprising as liberal women tend to not exactly be the purest among their sex.

 

[Tukraq]

The Western perspective is welcome to jump off a cliff. And if the Western perspective believes in democracy, the Western perspective is wrong. Islam is right and democracy is wrong.

Islam is superior to all other ways of life.



If they don't like me, they can go back to Europe.

#SendEmBack

I still don't get why you keep pitting islam and democracy against each other as if there not compatible and haven't been before in islamic history, but let me hear what you think is the right form of governance from a religious islamic perspective? lets here what you think is the right form of governances islamically

 

[Omar del Sur]

I still don't get why you keep pitting islam and democracy against each other as if there not compatible and haven't been before in islamic history, but let me hear what you think is the right form of governance from a religious islamic perspective? lets here what you think is the right form of governances islamically

They're not compatible, democracy is contrary to Islam.

"Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]"

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/107...nd-elections-and-participating-in-that-system

 

[Tukraq]

"Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]"

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/107...nd-elections-and-participating-in-that-system

so what system is the best?

 

[Omar del Sur]

so what system is the best?

Islam.

 

[Tukraq]

Islam.

im talking governance, what is the right islamic governance system?

 

[Muji]

Islam.

Lol are you @MuslimMan? You have been missed...

 

[Tukraq]

??? @Omar del Sur so no answer as to what the right islamic governance is?

 

[Omar del Sur]

??? @Omar del Sur so no answer as to what the right islamic governance is?

Islam is complete as it is. If you want all the full details, study sharia. Democracy is contrary to Islam.

 

[Tukraq]

Islam is complete as it is. If you want all the full details, study sharia. Democracy is contrary to Islam.

sxb are you telling me you can't answer simple questions? what is the correct form of governance according to islam? or are you the one that needs to study the deen

 

[Nomoregames2019]

We call guys like you "siil guards", worst self-appointed role ever.

No idea what ''Siil-Guards'' means, you gotta translate that as I am not Somali. You're a simp. My friend.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

No idea what ''Siil-Guards'' means, you gotta translate that as I am not Somali. You're a simp. My friend.

Guys who follow around women to the exclusion of everything else in life they should be doing so they know who is sleeping with her.

Ilhan is accountable to her constituents and that accountability is based on her ability to deliver needed funding for the district from the feds. Tell us a list of expectations she failed to delvier.

Trump openly bragged to have sexually assaulted women and he was elected despite those open confessions. If you support trump, you have no moral argument to make against anyone in politics today. Double standard is not the best way to go after people you don't like. People can see your hypocricy.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

They're not compatible, democracy is contrary to Islam.

"Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

It says in Mawsoo’at al-Adyaan wa’l-Madhaahib al-Mu’aasirah (2/1066, 1067):

Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not”

[Yoosuf 12:40]"

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/107...nd-elections-and-participating-in-that-system

Omar, you do realize the answer a sheekh gives depends on the question asked right? In the same website, they give permission for muslims to vote in a non-islamic system for the benefit of muslims.

Expand your horizon and knowledge saxib. You seem to be an amateur who is focused on what he thinks he undersands and knows. Passion for religion alone does not make your choices right always. You need knowledge, honesty, integrity and fairness in how you approach things.

The same sheekhs you quote make mandatory for Saudi citizens to accept their kings and charge any opposition to government to be outside the fold of Islam. Granted, these sheekhs are serving the interest of their kingdom and want no violence and disorder in their neighbourhood, an effort which I agree with, they should also extend the same peace and prosperity to all other muslims and stop issuing baseless fatwas. They sanction violence on other muslims in the name of Islam whilst they condemn any challenge to their rulers. That is hypocrisy.


Again, if you are not comfortable in your own country of America, you must look for alternatives and seek life somewhere else. Then tell me the heaven you found that enables you to practice your religion freely as you do in America.

I prefer my evil america over Saudi Arabia any day.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I prefer my evil america over Saudi Arabia any day.

Why are you so concerned with pushing your liberalism? If you want to water down your religion to please white people, you're free to do it but there's no reason to keep writing long essays that I'm not reading to try to push your liberal views on me.

I don't get why liberals think everyone else has to share their views. I'm not pestering you repeatedly trying to push my views on you. If you think differently, you think differently.

Liberals remind me of the khawarij in how they want to push their views on everyone else. I didn't read what you said and I don't care you have to say. Quit being annoying.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Why are you so concerned with pushing your liberalism? If you want to water down your religion to please white people, you're free to do it but there's no reason to keep writing long essays that I'm not reading to try to push your liberal views on me.

I don't get why liberals think everyone else has to share their views. I'm not pestering you repeatedly trying to push my views on you. If you think differently, you think differently.

Liberals remind me of the khawarij in how they want to push their views on everyone else. I didn't read what you said and I don't care you have to say. Quit being annoying.

You are wrong on few things saxib:

- I see you as someone who is doing good for himself with best intensions when it comes to his relationship with his creator.
- I am not asking you to change your life style but that you get an understanding of what you believe in. No one is perfect and you aren't educated enough to make firm decisions as to what is totally islamic and what is not. At best, you are a student and biased to your narrow views.
- I am not liberal but Vote for democtrats in office for the same reason many white and black people in America vote for them: Good public education, Healthcare for all americans, good environmental policies, fighting discrimination and race based policies that affect minorities negatively, and American openness to immgrants.
- I am comfortable with being a muslim in a non-muslim country that accepts people can associate with any group and religion they see fit for themselves without imposing one version of religion on everyone else who chooses different.

My views have nothing to do with defending a life style I consider contrary to Islam. Many american traditions are more islamic than the version of Islam Saudi arabia, Egypt and all prince ruled, dictator ruled islamic countries apply to their citizens.

Islam is an open religion, flexible, and respectful of people's religious choices. Give me an Islamic country that is pluralistic as Islam and I will be the first to prefer it over America.


Lastly, whether you care about what I say or not is irrelevant. You say something ignorant, I will correct you. You have no ownership of Islam to tell others what is Islamic. Islam is a shared religion and open to every race and class of human beings.

Everyone stands corrected.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Why are you so concerned with pushing your liberalism? If you want to water down your religion to please white people, you're free to do it but there's no reason to keep writing long essays that I'm not reading to try to push your liberal views on me.

I don't get why liberals think everyone else has to share their views. I'm not pestering you repeatedly trying to push my views on you. If you think differently, you think differently.

Liberals remind me of the khawarij in how they want to push their views on everyone else. I didn't read what you said and I don't care you have to say. Quit being annoying.

Also, Khawaarij fit in your type, at least based on what you have advocated so far. I doubt you consider average muslims to be muslims. You favour particular voice you see as authority to the exclusion of the other voices of Islamic scholars. That makes you sound just a partisan and less educated individual.

Say something questionable, you will be challenged, I promise you.