Invocations of Tiniix and Tincaaro in Poetry

[nobutreally]

I came across poems by Gaarriye and Hadraawi that reference these figures. I assumed they were pre-Islamic gods who had faded from active worship but still exist in literature, similar to how Hoobaal is hypothesized to be a vestigial deity by some. However, I recently read a book on Somali folklore, written by, I believe, Maxamed Daahir Afrax, that identified them as an ancient king and queen.

Haddii qalinka loo tudho
Wax qoraalka laga tago,
Lama taabbaggeli karo.
Waaq iyo Tinniix iyo
Bal Tincaaro weyddii,
Soo tiri ayaamaha,
Taariikhda raacdee!
—"Ta’iyo Wow”, Gaarriye

Wax la yidhi tin caarow
Looxa waad ku taallaye
Haddii Alifki kaa tiray
Ta'da yaa u magac dhaban?

Wuxu yidhi sir baa taxan
Tartankay ka mudan tahay
Taban taabshaheeduna
Nin tar sheegta ma oggola
Waxes teeyo lagu dhaqay
Halaan awrba loo tu'in
Ninkii tuudiyaa falan

Wax la yidhi Tinniixow
Tu Allaba ku biirsoo
Xaggee taadu sudhan tahay
Warka nooga tibix sii?
—“Taawilo”, Hadraawi

Tincaws also sometimes comes up with Tiniix instead of Caaro, or seemingly as part of a triumvirate of sorts. Has anyone heard of these figures?

 

[Midas]

I came across poems by Gaarriye and Hadraawi that reference these figures. I assumed they were pre-Islamic gods who had faded from active worship but still exist in literature, similar to how Hoobaal is hypothesized to be a vestigial deity by some. However, I recently read a book on Somali folklore, written by, I believe, Maxamed Daahir Afrax, that identified them as an ancient king and queen.

Haddii qalinka loo tudho
Wax qoraalka laga tago,
Lama taabbaggeli karo.
Waaq iyo Tinniix iyo
Bal Tincaaro weyddii,
Soo tiri ayaamaha,
Taariikhda raacdee!
—"Ta’iyo Wow”, Gaarriye

Wax la yidhi tin caarow
Looxa waad ku taallaye
Haddii Alifki kaa tiray
Ta'da yaa u magac dhaban?

Wuxu yidhi sir baa taxan
Tartankay ka mudan tahay
Taban taabshaheeduna
Nin tar sheegta ma oggola
Waxes teeyo lagu dhaqay
Halaan awrba loo tu'in
Ninkii tuudiyaa falan

Wax la yidhi Tinniixow
Tu Allaba ku biirsoo
Xaggee taadu sudhan tahay
Warka nooga tibix sii?
—“Taawilo”, Hadraawi

Tincaws also sometimes comes up with Tiniix instead of Caaro, or seemingly as part of a triumvirate of sorts. Has anyone heard of these figures?

Not gonna lie this sounds really interesting I'd heard of hubaal. But I didn't think there were any others . But if this is an anicnet king or queen that's even more interesting.

 

[Burqad]

I came across poems by Gaarriye and Hadraawi that reference these figures. I assumed they were pre-Islamic gods who had faded from active worship but still exist in literature, similar to how Hoobaal is hypothesized to be a vestigial deity by some. However, I recently read a book on Somali folklore, written by, I believe, Maxamed Daahir Afrax, that identified them as an ancient king and queen.

Haddii qalinka loo tudho
Wax qoraalka laga tago,
Lama taabbaggeli karo.
Waaq iyo Tinniix iyo
Bal Tincaaro weyddii,
Soo tiri ayaamaha,
Taariikhda raacdee!
—"Ta’iyo Wow”, Gaarriye

Wax la yidhi tin caarow
Looxa waad ku taallaye
Haddii Alifki kaa tiray
Ta'da yaa u magac dhaban?

Wuxu yidhi sir baa taxan
Tartankay ka mudan tahay
Taban taabshaheeduna
Nin tar sheegta ma oggola
Waxes teeyo lagu dhaqay
Halaan awrba loo tu'in
Ninkii tuudiyaa falan

Wax la yidhi Tinniixow
Tu Allaba ku biirsoo
Xaggee taadu sudhan tahay
Warka nooga tibix sii?
—“Taawilo”, Hadraawi

Tincaws also sometimes comes up with Tiniix instead of Caaro, or seemingly as part of a triumvirate of sorts. Has anyone heard of these figures?

They were the queen and the king of the titan (tiiriyat) race that ruled Somalia before the coming of Islam. They lived on clouds and would push themselves through the air with camel bones and the holes those bones made are the wells the Somalis use today.

 

[Midas]

They were the queen and the king of the titan (tiiriyat) race that ruled Somalia before the coming of Islam. They lived on clouds and would push themselves through the air with camel bones and the holes those bones made are the wells the Somalis use today.

Do you where I can find more information about this. Are there other preislamic historical or mythical people were aware of?

 

[NidarNidar]

Not gonna lie this sounds really interesting I'd heard of hubaal. But I didn't think there were any others . But if this is an anicnet king or queen that's even more interesting.

I knew I heard it from somewhere else. @Yami

In Arabian mythology, Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by the Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. The god's idol was a human figure believed to control acts of divination, which was performed by tossing arrows before the statue. The direction in which the arrows pointed answered questions asked of the idol. The specific powers and identity attributed to Hubal are equally unclear.

The name Hubal may be ultimately derivative of the name Baal from the Canaanite pantheon. In particular, the name could derive from the Aramaic hu bel, meaning "he is Baal". The relationship between Hubal and Baal is supported by some additional evidence, including that both were depicted with a missing or broken right hand.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Hoo Baal

Sounds like an offering song to 'Baal'

 

[Midas]

I wonder does anybody know books in somali ro videos on YouTube where I can find our more about this topic. The fact we have a clear preislamic historical memory i think to me is evidence of thr fact that somali poetry has preislamic origins and the survival of this knowledge make sense within the context of the somali poetic tradition perceiving archaisms.

I also think in light of what we know about how early somali society was islamized. Arawello is clearly a refrence to a presialmic ruler . Especially considering how she's connected with the talloyin. Where it gets intrest and into the realm of extreme speculation is that if arawello is a preislamic queen but she's seen as somali and not some long forgotten ancient race of (tirri) then we might be looking at different layers of somali historical memory.

 

[DALMAR0_0]

I came across poems by Gaarriye and Hadraawi that reference these figures. I assumed they were pre-Islamic gods who had faded from active worship but still exist in literature, similar to how Hoobaal is hypothesized to be a vestigial deity by some. However, I recently read a book on Somali folklore, written by, I believe, Maxamed Daahir Afrax, that identified them as an ancient king and queen.

Haddii qalinka loo tudho
Wax qoraalka laga tago,
Lama taabbaggeli karo.
Waaq iyo Tinniix iyo
Bal Tincaaro weyddii,
Soo tiri ayaamaha,
Taariikhda raacdee!
—"Ta’iyo Wow”, Gaarriye

Wax la yidhi tin caarow
Looxa waad ku taallaye
Haddii Alifki kaa tiray
Ta'da yaa u magac dhaban?

Wuxu yidhi sir baa taxan
Tartankay ka mudan tahay
Taban taabshaheeduna
Nin tar sheegta ma oggola
Waxes teeyo lagu dhaqay
Halaan awrba loo tu'in
Ninkii tuudiyaa falan

Wax la yidhi Tinniixow
Tu Allaba ku biirsoo
Xaggee taadu sudhan tahay
Warka nooga tibix sii?
—“Taawilo”, Hadraawi

Tincaws also sometimes comes up with Tiniix instead of Caaro, or seemingly as part of a triumvirate of sorts. Has anyone heard of these figures?

Could u translate this?