Is Akisho/Gurre Somali or Oromo?

[Hybrid]

I think @Hybrid has a point. Some Akisho are too good looking to be Oromos. Look at their females.


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I met many Akishos related to my mother, they have the most proportional and symmetrical faces Ive ever seen. Tiny straight nose, almond eyes, high cheekbones, slimmer face. Best looking Somalis by far.

 

[AfranQallo]

He's full of shit. Gurgura are currently allied with Issa in Dir Dhabe against the Oromos. They even have an organization together, only a small number of them speak Oromo because their farms mingle with the Afran Qallo.

I said the Gurgura are part of our community, not abba Saddacha. He’s from the states.

Don’t down play it bro. You live in Toronto. Go visit your local Oromo community centre. A lot of the people there are also Gurgura. Here is the thing with Oromos, we look at ourselves more as a nation. This was what the gada system was about. The Oromo nation had the Lammi, who were citizens, and surprise surprise, Gurguras were accepted through the Noole as ilma gosa, so they were accepted to have the Lammi status as well.

They aren’t Oromo, but have intermixed and lived with one another. Living in DD, Oromo, Gurgura, Issa, Harari etc all grow up as neighbors in some neighborhoods and have a bond friendship as children.

One of my dads best friends is an Issa from DD. They grew up as neighbors, and til this day visit one another every year.

 

[AfranQallo]

So:

Akkichu - Oromo origin
Jaarso - Oromo Orgin
Gurgura - Somali Origin
Garre - Somali Origin
Barsuug - Somali Origin
Karanle - Somali Origin
Sheekhaal - Somali Origin
Gugundhabe - Somali Origin

Are the Somali/Oromo dual clans in Ethiopia? Is that the full list?

I think that’s about it. I also touched up the list for you.

 

[embarassing]

So:

Akisho
Jaarso
Gurgura
Garre
Barsuug
Karanle
Sheekhaal
Gugundhabe

Are the Somali/Oromo dual clans in Ethiopia? Is that the full list?

Those are all Somali clans. Speaking another language doesn't make you a different ethnicity and Somali is an ethnicity. Same way speaking English doesn't make you an English man. Idk why you guys are asking oromos obviously they will claim they're oromo, it's part of how they expand their territory.

 

[Factz]

I think that’s about it. I also touched up the list for you.

Forget Akisho for the moment but we both know Jarso are Somali origin. It's intellectually dishonest for you to deny that. I will admit that they mostly identify themselves Oromos but historically they were Somalis.

Have you ever heard of Dawaro Sultanate? It was a Somali Sultanate centred in Hararghe. Dawaro Sultanate was established by a sub-clan of Jarso called Dawaro. The Dawaro clan were the Royal ruling hereditary clan that ruled the Jarso clan.

Here is an interesting quote on the assimilation against the Jarso clan.

"By Somali reckoning, the founder of Dawaro Sultanate was Jārso people belonging to the Ali Madaḥweyne branch which is a sub-clan of Dir. After the Oromo migrations, the ʿAli Madaḥweyne Dir were absorbed into the Afran Qallo Barentuma confederation, and today the Jarso are reckoned as Jārsō Daggā Qāllō Barentuma Oromō."

Source: Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries page. 233.

Here for more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Dawaro

@kobe take notes warya.

 

[AfranQallo]

Forget Akisho for the moment but we both know Jarso are Somali origin. It's intellectually dishonest for you to deny that. I will admit that they mostly identify themselves Oromos but historically they were Somalis.

Have you ever heard of Dawaro Sultanate? It was a Somali Sultanate centred in Hararghe. Dawaro Sultanate was established by a sub-clan of Jarso called Dawaro. The Dawaro clan were the Royal ruling hereditary clan that ruled the Jarso clan.

Here is an interesting quote on the assimilation against the Jarso clan.

"By Somali reckoning, the founder of Dawaro Sultanate was Jārso people belonging to the Ali Madaḥweyne branch which is a sub-clan of Dir. After the Oromo migrations, the ʿAli Madaḥweyne Dir were absorbed into the Afran Qallo Barentuma confederation, and today the Jarso are reckoned as Jārsō Daggā Qāllō Barentuma Oromō."

Source: Being and Becoming Oromo: Historical and Anthropological Enquiries page. 233.

Here for more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Dawaro

@kobe take notes warya.

The Jarso in Origin are Oromo. They have Subclans that are of Somali origin like the warra Bal’ad, warra Absame, Warra kablala etc. then your have clans like warra Oromo, warra daanka, warra walabu of Oromo Origin. When speaking about the clan as a whole, it’s confusing because they have different backgrounds. It’s best going deeper and looking at their subclans / subsub clans etc.

 

[anonimo]

Zumal, come in warya.

Those living in galbeed and Somaliland are definitely Somali today. But they still have Oromo origins. A lot of Oromo “expansion” history talks about the Akichu who were the strongest Bareentu clan with the Arsi.

Bro, we finished this debate in the following thread.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...-the-weakening-of-adal-sultanate.40325/page-4

Secondly, can you not see this is a troll account along with most of the posters. You have around two people replying to themselves using multiple accounts. Why do you always fall for their tags and attempts to lure you into a thread? Wise up Cuz, avoid certain threads and individuals like the plague.

I have already mentioned where Axmed Shide is from and what his clan so why should I engage in Groundhog Day behaviour?

He hails from the Gurre Dir (not Garre) clan that predominately live in their three districts in Southern K5, Gorobaqasa, Guradhamole and Qarsadula. Axmed Shide is a representative for one of the above constituencies.

Associating him with Oromos is foolish considering how the Gurre along with other Somalis that lived near Negelle were attacked by the Boran Oromo in the 90's after the fall of the Mengistu regime.

 

[Yonis]

Those are all Somali clans. Speaking another language doesn't make you a different ethnicity and Somali is an ethnicity. Same way speaking English doesn't make you an English man. Idk why you guys are asking oromos obviously they will claim they're oromo, it's part of how they expand their territory.

I have a problem with your all inclusive notion of somali clans, do you consider Madowweyne a somali clan?

Akisho
Jaarso
Gurgura
Garre
Barsuug
Karanle
Gugundhabe

Most of these clans have oromo roots.

 

[Bohol]

I met many Akishos related to my mother, they have the most proportional and symmetrical faces Ive ever seen. Tiny straight nose, almond eyes, high cheekbones, slimmer face. Best looking Somalis by far.

Jaarso are definitely Oromo though. They don't even look Somali.

 

[anonimo]

I have a problem with your all inclusive notion of somali clans, do you consider Madowweyne a somali clan?

Akisho
Jaarso
Gurgura
Garre
Barsuug
Karanle
Gugundhabe

Most of these clans have oromo roots.

Calling pure Samaale clans some of whom are listed as being Somali in Futuh Al Xabash such as the Gurgura and Hararghe Hawiyes as Oromo is ignorant to say the least.

Sxb, you worry about Daroods and leave us Samaales to decide who is and isn't Somali.

 

[Hybrid]

Jaarso are definitely Oromo though. They don't even look Somali.

True. Most Jaarso don't look full Somali

 

[Yonis]

Calling pure Samaale clans some of whom are listed as being Somali in Futuh Al Xabash such as the Gurgura and Hararghe Hawiyes as Oromo is ignorant to say the least.

Sxb, you worry about Daroods and leave us Samaales to decide who is and isn't Somali.

So you consider obvious oromos hiding in plain sight like Akisho and Jaarso as Samales? Nobody is calling Hawiye oromo, but there are subset of clans claiming Hawiye that have oromo origins, this is how they intend to conquer, through infiltration.

 

[anonimo]

So you consider obvious oromos hiding in plain sight like Akisho and Jaarso as Samales? Nobody is calling Hawiye oromo, but there are subset of clans claiming Hawiye that have oromo origins, this is how they intend to conquer, through infiltration.

You throw your Balcad Absame brothers that are part of the Jaarso under the bus but I ain't going to do the same to the ones I know are clearly of Dir origin. From a Qabil perspective, whether they speak Oromo or not is irrelevant as you are who your father is in the Somali Qabil system. Don't think they forgot their abtirsi, the Somali Oromos in the Afran Qallo maintain their clan origins despite being assimilated.

 

[Khalid ali]

I once met this jaarso guy in Addis Ababa and he told me that most jaarso people are of balcad abasame origins but they some Oromo in them. Jaarso mostly reside in chinaksen are and heavily intermarry with geri koombe

 

[nine]

You throw your Balcad Absame brothers that are part of the Jaarso under the bus but I ain't going to do the same to the ones I know are clearly of Dir origin. From a Qabil perspective, whether they speak Oromo or not is irrelevant as you are who your father is in the Somali Qabil system. Don't think they forgot their abtirsi, the Somali Oromos in the Afran Qallo maintain their clan origins despite being assimilated.

How do you think we should sort out this confusion on who is a Oromo-speaking-somalia or a oromized Somali or a somalized Oromo?

 

[Cumar]

@Factz @Cumar

What do you guys know about them since apparently they live and intermarry with your clan in Somaliland?

In my experience they tend to flip-flop between Oromo and Dir depending on where they're from. I think they are probably a confederation but have become Somalized. The ones I met in SL all identify as Somalis though.

From what I understand their sub-clan structure suggest some were recently assimilated in the last few hundred years.

 

[Cumar]

From my research, they are of oromo origin, but very much inter-married with, and influenced by, their somali neighbors, especially habr awal. they are even allies in wars, the akishu and habr awal.
akisho/akishu and gurre, are the same group, just a different name.

No offence but that is not true. We see them as shisheeye and Akisho were known as our "Magan" or protected minorities. They got to live with us in peace in exchange for giving us their women.

 

[embarassing]

I have a problem with your all inclusive notion of somali clans, do you consider Madowweyne a somali clan?

Akisho
Jaarso
Gurgura
Garre
Barsuug
Karanle
Gugundhabe

Most of these clans have oromo roots.

Most? Which ones have Oromo roots? And no, its not a Somali clan at all obviously. They're an ethnic minority in Somalia, bantu.

 

[Hybrid]

Most? Which ones have Oromo roots? And no, its not a Somali clan at all obviously. They're an ethnic minority in Somalia, bantu.

Some of these qabiils don't resemble full Somali as a result of intermixing with oromos.

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

I know this really good looking Akisho or maybe she is Jaarso. She looks like a model. Tall, slim with sexy bod.

She speaks Somali and claims being Somali