Is Arabic a colonizer tongue?

[Rayaale]

They don’t mind speaking English,French but they draw the line at Arabic

 

[Garaad Awal]

It really doesn't matter now whether or not Arabic is indigenous; it's up to each Nation to choose a language (and therefore a civilization) with which to align with in political, economic and cultural terms.

South Sudan has to align with the Swahili speaking East African bloc whilst also preserving our Nilotic languages

You understand what many on this forum don’t. Civilizational languages are important. This is exactly why I suggested Arabic being the only primary institutional & educational language of the Republic of SL. Arabic was the language of state,education & diplomacy for most of SL’s medieval history. It was the British who cut the relation off and now we have more Somali English speakers than Arabic speakers. Majority of losnwords entering the ever evolving language of SL is being even more reliant on English loanwords. It’s in the interest of everyone on this continent to re-connect with your civilizational languages prior to European colonization

 

[Internet Nomad]

Is this nigga serious?

All living things want to inforcing their will and sometimes that means enforcing their will over others.

Isn’t a government just colonisation that a ethnicity does onto its own.

 

[Pearl of the Indian Ocean]

All living things want to inforcing their will and sometimes that means enforcing their will over others.

Isn’t a government just colonisation that a ethnicity does onto its own.

I don't know about that

You're speaking through the lens of the colonizers themselves; and not for the other end

Regardless of how intrinsic it is I think it's a bit far fetched to say that there's nothing wrong with it. Humans are demonised for it because they can think independently and know right from wrong and a foreign entity r4ping, pillaging and massacring natives on their own land for the sake of power and conquest is wrong pal

 

[Nilotic]

That OP is very anti-Arab and doesn’t like them at all. She was enraged by the fact that people were sympathizing with the residents of Al-Gezira in Sudan, who are being wiped out by the RSF. Imagine the amount of hate she must have for Arabs to get upset over people calling out the RSF for killing civilians who happened to be Arab.

The hatred is reactive

Imagine the hatred that it takes to say that millions of South Sudanese deserved their death or brought it upon themselves because they dared to defend their lands from the constant and shameless annexation (land-theft) of Nation-size territories that the Sudanese "Arabs" were orchestrating after 1956

The people that still account for the lion share of the deaths and suffering are the non-Arabs (Nilo-Saharans) in Darfur.

 

[Garaad Awal]

The hatred is reactive

Imagine the hatred that it takes to say that millions of South Sudanese deserved their death or brought it upon themselves because they dared to defend their lands from the constant and shameless annexation (land-theft) of Nation-size territories that the Sudanese "Arabs" were orchestrating after 1956

The people that still account for the lion share of the deaths and suffering are the non-Arabs (Nilo-Saharans) in Darfur.

Was it really the Sudanese Arabs? Why single out the Sudanese Arabs & not the Nubians for example who have always held high positions in the govt & SAF including Al-Burhan?

 

[Nilotic]

Was it really the Sudanese Arabs? Why single out the Sudanese Arabs & not the Nubians for example who have always held high positions in the govt & SAF including Al-Burhan?

Yes, of course it was

The ideology was forceful Arabization; it matters little who some of the instruments were; some of the most enthusiastic fighters against the South were indigenous Darfurians -- before the "Arabs" turned on them as well.

Whether it was that Dongolawi (Arabized Nubian) dog that called himself the Mahdi that betrayed and attacked the South or whether it was Bashir... the overriding ideology and result was the same

I keep hearing conflicting accounts of Al-Burhan's ethnicity, so I don't know what he is, other than that he was a General in the SAF during the North-South war -- and therefore an enemy.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

It depends, if you include the Sinai peninsular of Egypt then that means Arabic is technically an indigenous African language since Arab tribes have lived in the Sinai peninsular since the time of the Pharaohs.

The Nabateans, for example, were an Arab civilisation who lived in parts of Africa, specifically the Sinai peninsular. It’s from these Nabateans that Arabic as we know it today evolved from. The Nabateans also were responsible for earlier Arabic scripts that resembles the Arabic script used today.

Also the Arabs as a people are more nuanced than what people think. In contrast to the stereotypes reducing the Arabs to simple “invaders from the peninsular”, reality shows otherwise.

Arabs are/were native to all parts of the Middle East, except Modern Turkey and Armenia I guess.

The earliest Arabic speakers lived in the Levant, Africa and the Arabian peninsular.

Arabs lived in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. They just weren’t the majority demographic or influential.

 

[empressjamila]

It’s a colonizer language for certain peoples like the Maghrebis, and indigenous African ethnic groups that inhabit Egypt and Sudan.

Not for us though. Honestly we are very lucky as Somalis to still have our mother tongue and our culture intact considering our proximity to the Arabian peninsula and the Arabs’ propensity to conquer other lands. I wonder how we escaped Arabisation while other groups like the native Egyptians/Sudanis and Berbers didnt

 

[Ashraf]

It’s a colonizer language for certain peoples like the Maghrebis, and indigenous African ethnic groups that inhabit Egypt and Sudan.

Not for us though. Honestly we are very lucky as Somalis to still have our mother tongue and our culture intact considering our proximity to the Arabian peninsula and the Arabs’ propensity to conquer other lands. I wonder how we escaped Arabisation while other groups like the native Egyptians/Sudanis and Berbers didnt

They definitely tried to conquer and arabise our culture but failed. I wish we had historical documents of invasions from neighbouring civilisations that tried to take our lands.

 

[Garaad Awal]

It’s a colonizer language for certain peoples like the Maghrebis, and indigenous African ethnic groups that inhabit Egypt and Sudan.

Not for us though. Honestly we are very lucky as Somalis to still have our mother tongue and our culture intact considering our proximity to the Arabian peninsula and the Arabs’ propensity to conquer other lands. I wonder how we escaped Arabisation while other groups like the native Egyptians/Sudanis and Berbers didnt

The Horn besides Eritrea didn’t have Arab Bedouin migrations. Sudan,Chad & the Maghreb have actual Arabs who belong to these Bedouin tribes. It is the Arab tribal migrations that are responsible for the Arabic language. The big Arab tribal migrations in the Maghreb occurred in the year 1000 while the migrations to Sudan was 500 years ago. There is a tribe of Bedouin Arabs in Eastern Sudan/Eritrea who were the last to arrive (Rashaida) who didn’t even stay long enough to mix (arrived 150 years ago).

Egypt is the only outlier as there is no sizeable Arab tribes except in the Sinai & parts of Southern Egypt (Al Sa3iid).

The Arabization of non-Arab ethnicities in these various nation states (excluding Egypt) was quite recent.