Is being a house wife oppressive to women?

[CitrusFlower]

I doubt that any girl in the west that is educated would give up her lifelong aspirations just because of kids.There's maternal leave and you can work part-time.I wouldn't mind being the sole breadwinner tho,but i would hate to see her sacrifice something she worked hard for.Imagine if someone told me to be a househusband i would go hooks

Look, if u choose to bring a child into the world something has to give. I would gladly give up my career to spend those precious years with my baby. With that being said, those who want to work should work and those who don't should be allowed to choose not to.

 

[Transparent]

Look, if u choose to bring a child into the world something has to give. I would gladly give up my career to spend those precious years with my baby. With that being said, those who want to work should work and those who don't should be allowed to choose not to.

 

[CitrusFlower]

Btw, I wonder how our parents did it.

 

[Transparent]

Look, if u choose to bring a child into the world something has to give. I would gladly give up my career to spend those precious years with my baby. With that being said, those who want to work should work and those who don't should be allowed to choose not to.

your pretty rare all the women i've met and asked this constantly about how they are expected to drop their careers.

 

[Transparent]

Btw, I wonder how our parents did it.

hoyooyinkeena are straight soldiers

 

[The_Cosmos]

In an educated society, more women will seek independence and work but as a consequence will have less kids. In an uneducated society, less women will seek independence and work as a consequence will have more kids.

If you intend to have an educated society then you must deal with the consequences of educated women who will choose the path of independence and self reliance. To me, it's the ideal society.

 

[Angela Davis]

Angela Davis (the real Angela Davis) on housewives from chapter 13 of her book Women, Race and Class:

"The countless chores collectively known as “housework” – cooking, washing dishes, doing laundry, making beds, sweeping, shopping etc. – apparently consume some three to four thousand hours of the average housewife’s year.[1] As startling as this statistic may be, ir does not even account for the constant and unquantifiable attention mothers must give to their children. Just as a woman’s maternal duties are always taken for granted, her never-ending toil as a housewife rarely occasions expressions of appreciation within her family. Housework, after all, is virtually invisible: “No one notices it until it isn’t done – we notice the unmade bed, not the scrubbed and polished floor."[2] Invisible, repetitive, exhausting, unproductive, uncreative – these are the adjectives which most perfectly capture the nature of housework.

The new consciousness associated with the contemporary women’s movement has encourages increasing numbers of women to demand that their men provide some relief from this drudgery. Already, more men have begun to assist their partners around the house, some of them even devoting equal time to household chores. But how many of these men have liberated themselves from the assumption that housework is women’s work"? How many of them would not characterise their housecleaning activities as “helping” their women partners?

If it were at all possible simultaneously to liquidate the idea that housework is women’s work and to redistribute it equally to men and women alike, would this constitute a satisfactory solution? While most women would joyously hail the advent of the “househusband,” the desexualisation of domestic labour would not really alter the oppressive nature of the work itself. In the final analysis, neither women nor men should waste precious hours of their lives on work that is neither stimulating nor productive.

One of the most closely guarded secrets of advanced capitalist societies involves the possibility – the real possibility – of radically transforming the nature of housework. A substantial portion of the housewife’s domestic tasks can actually be incorporated into the industrial economy. In other words, housework need no longer be considered necessarily and unalterably private in character. Teams of trained and well-paid workers, moving from dwelling to dwelling, engineering technologically advanced cleaning machinery, could swiftly and efficiently accomplish what the present-day housewife does so arduously and primitively. Why the shroud of silence surrounding this potential of radically redefining the nature of domestic labour? Because the capitalist economy is structurally hostile to the industrialisation of housework. Socialised housework implies large government subsidies in order to guarantee accessibility to the working-class families whose need for such services is most obvious. Since little in the way of profits would result, industrialised housework – like all unprofitable enterprises – is anathema to the capitalist economy. Nonetheless, the rapid expansion of the female labour force means that more and more women are finding it increasingly difficult to excel as housewives according to the traditional standards. In other words, the industrialisation of housework, along with the socialisation of housework, is becoming an objective social need. Housework as individual women’s private responsibility and as a female labour performed under primitive technical conditions, may finally be approaching historical obsolescence.

Although housework as we know it today may eventually become a bygone relic of history, prevailing social attitudes continue to associate the eternal female condition with images of brooms and dustpans, mops and pails, aprons and stoves, pots and pans. And it is true that women’s work, from one historical era to another, has been associated in general with the homestead. Yet female domestic labour has not always been what it is today, for like all social phenomena, housework is a fluid product of human history. As economic systems have arisen and faded away, the scope and quality of housework have undergone radical transformations.

As Frederick Engels argued in his classic work on the Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State,[3] sexual inequality as we know it today did not exist before the advent of private property. During early eras of human history the sexual division of labour within the system of economic production was complementary as opposed to hierarchical. In societies where men may have been responsible for hunting wild animals and women, in turn, for gathering wild vegetables and fruits, both sexes performed economic tasks that were equally essential to their community’s survival. Because the community, during those eras, was essentially an extended family, women’s central role in domestic affairs meant that they were accordingly valued and respected members of the community.

 

[Burhan]

I love house hold duties not all women see housework as dreary. Working and staying away from your child is a heartbreaking reality most women endear in the western world. Both parents working, ultimately leaving the child alone at home with no moral guidance and support. I believe the opposite is happening as a result of this social change, disfunctional households, a rise in divorce etc. All due to this fairy tale image of women chasing careers instead of being mothers. Once I have children I will aim to stay at home and nurture them as this is my boilogical duty as a woman. I'm not going to slave away in the a system which doesn't want me to be with my child, working day in and day out. Whilst my child is alone and being looked after by strangers.

You are smart. I think if women are left to make decisions for themselves, most of them will opt to do what is best for their families. Once you marry, it means you made the choice to share a life experience with someone else whom you care about and love. And if you end up having kids, that instinct kicks in to nurture and take care of your children. As long as couples decide what is best for them financially, then others have no business suggesting or giving uninvited opinions into how people live their lives.. The irony always is how they interfere with people's lives even though they would fight against such intrusions into their depressive life choices.

You are sexy truly liberated Somali female Good for you. Seems so called western education didn't damage your self worth as a Somali woman who is capable to decide what is best for her family.

 

[Burhan]

In an educated society, more women will seek independence and work but as a consequence will have less kids. In an uneducated society, less women will seek independence and work as a consequence will have more kids.

If you intend to have an educated society then you must deal with the consequences of educated women who will choose the path of independence and self reliance. To me, it's the ideal society.

And then that same so called educated society later on incentivize women to have more babies to maintain culture and an economy that rely on immigrants from other countries because the local populations are dying and are old with no young generation to replace them.


When you lack wisdom and are guided by animal instincts, you end up losing in so many ways. Your ideal society is desperate now to have tons of babies and realized how big of a mistake it was to tell women how to live their lives the wrong way.


Educate people but let them decide based on their interests without the propaganda that undermines society in the long run. Catch up is .

 

[The_Cosmos]

And then that same so called educated society later on incentivize women to have more babies to maintain culture and an economy that rely on immigrants from other countries because the local populations are dying and are old with no young generation to replace them.


When you lack wisdom and are guided by animal instincts, you end up losing in so many ways. Your ideal society is desperate now to have tons of babies and realized how big of a mistake it was to tell women how to live their lives the wrong way.


Educate people but let them decide based on their interests without the propaganda that undermines society in the long run. Catch up is .

The hell are you talking about?!

I think you're completely ignorant of the long struggle by women in the west for the right to work and have the same rights as men to do whatever they like. Women in the west are free to choose what they wish to do with their lives without having men tell them if they can do this or can't do that. They fought for their struggle through education.

My ideal society is where women have the rights over their own reproductive system and can choose when and how many kids they wish to have, not some society run by men for men.

The only nations that are having that many kids are uneducated societies.

[QUOTEEducate people but let them decide based on their interests without the propaganda that undermines society in the long run. Catch up is .][/QUOTE]

What propaganda?!


The best places for women is the western world whilst the worst are Muslim ones. Nigga get your facts straight.

 

[SenseSays]

I used to think it was, there's no way a women would enjoy cleaning the house and cleaning after her family. But there are women who take up being a housewife as an option, a choice, not something they were forced into doing. So no, its really not oppressing if she thinks being a housewife would be beneficial for her and her family.

 

[Burhan]

The hell are you talking about?!

I think you're completely ignorant of the long struggle by women in the west for the right to work and have the same rights as men to do whatever they like. Women in the west are free to choose what they wish to do with their lives without having men tell them if they can do this or can't do that. They fought for their struggle through education.

My ideal society is where women have the rights over their own reproductive system and can choose when and how many kids they wish to have, not some society run by men for men.

The only nations that are having that many kids are uneducated societies.

[QUOTEEducate people but let them decide based on their interests without the propaganda that undermines society in the long run. Catch up is .]

What propaganda?!


The best places for women is the western world whilst the worst are Muslim ones. Nigga get your facts straight.
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Right, And the biggest, wealthiest, the base of Liberal Hollywood country just sworn in a president who bragged about groping women by their pussy

 

[Burhan]

I used to think it was, there's no way a women would enjoy cleaning the house and cleaning after her family. But there are women who take up being a housewife as an option, a choice, not something they were forced into doing. So no, its really not oppressing if she thinks being a housewife would be beneficial for her and her family.

Cosmos who speaks for women disagrees with you though. He thinks women can not choose and sacrifice for their family unless they are uneducated. To him, education means dislike of children and not having any at all.

 

[The_Cosmos]

What propaganda?!


The best places for women is the western world whilst the worst are Muslim ones. Nigga get your facts straight.

Right, And the biggest, wealthiest, the base of Liberal Hollywood country just sworn in a president who bragged about groping women by their pussy [/QUOTE]

Yes, because the words of one man can deflect from the fact that women in the Muslim world are treated like shit. The western world is the best for women, only facts mate.

Cosmos who speaks for women disagrees with you though. He thinks women can not choose and sacrifice for their family.

@SenseSays

Listen to this c*nt!


I simply pointed out that women who are educated have less kids as a consequence of their independence and self determination. Women who choose to live as housewives are free to do it and I support their decision.

Don't listen to this fool who'd rather straw man than be honest. I want women to choose, not be told what's good for them.

The emancipation of society can only be achieved by educating women.

 

[CitrusFlower]

Cosmos who speaks for women disagrees with you though. He thinks women can not choose and sacrifice for their family.

Maybe 60 years ago where women did not have the choice. We are in a different era now. If women want to work and provide for her family she can do so without society shunning her.

 

[Angela Davis]

More often then not, the burden of choice is on the woman to stay home. The father hardly ever has to even question whether or not he should stay home and raise children. I wouldn't stay home to raise children while simultaneously giving them my husbands last name. The kids belong to him according to our culture in terms of lineage, but the duty of raising them, sarcrificing goals is on the mother.
The reason being a housewife is seen as oppressive is because the wife has to amputate huge portions of her identity when she becomes the stay at home mom and she no longer ceases to be a person. She exists in relation to her husband and in relation to her children. Outside of those relations she ceases to exist.

I used to think it was, there's no way a women would enjoy cleaning the house and cleaning after her family. But there are women who take up being a housewife as an option, a choice, not something they were forced into doing. So no, its really not oppressing if she thinks being a housewife would be beneficial for her and her family.

 

[QalinQor]

Oppression is dumping your infant in daycare

 

[SenseSays]

More often then not, the burden of choice is on the woman to stay home. The father hardly ever has to even question whether or not he should stay home and raise children.

It's true the burden does lie with the women but ultimately its the decision made by both couples, not by society. There have been an increase on the number of stay-at-home dads (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/06/05/growing-number-of-dads-home-with-the-kids/) too so there's some progress on changing views.

I wouldn't stay home to raise children while simultaneously giving them my husbands last name. The kids belong to him according to our culture in terms of lineage, but the duty of raising them, sarcrificing goals is on the mother.

What would you do in this case if you were a mother? Would you work right away after giving birth? Would you give the kids your husbands last name?

The reason being a housewife is seen as oppressive is because the wife has to amputate huge portions of her identity when she becomes the stay at home mom and she no longer ceases to be a person. She exists in relation to her husband and in relation to her children. Outside of those relations she ceases to exist.

Whaaaaaaat? come on now, i'm the biggest feminist here but being a stay at home mom isn't that bad. She could take up activities and she could volunteer in her spare time etc. But she might end up losing more if she were to divorce since companies nowadays require up-to-date experience if she were to go back into the workplace.

 

[SenseSays]

Oppression is dumping your infant in daycare

There's nothing wrong with infants socializing with other infants.

 

[Yahya Liban-Lewis]

If a women chooses to be a housewife it's not oppressive.