Ah yes the Hutu version, yeah sacad live outside bacadweyn and Garacad, the cheek of these starving iljeexs
Is Every Qabiil It’s Own Ethnic Group?
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Here’s a more accurate one which actually correlates with traditional clan borders even though it has some inaccuracies itself.
Naturally somaliweyn is in Darods interests and if this was to come about it would lead to eternal Darod rule, and with noble Darod rule comes peace and prosperity for all.
Looks like youre passing around the 5th iteration of this map I have seen so far. Its like every qabil kid comes out of no where with photoshops and changes it.
That map isn't even accurate, Isa don't even live in Awdal besides a small community in Zeila and seasonal pastoralists.
Idiot, IT is in the somali interest you stupid Bum alwaax
It isn’t not for the two other groups. Drop the wadani facade and join the dark side… we will win together…..
Idiot, IT is in the somali interest you stupid monkey alwaax
Wow wo wo I did not even , I had completely forgotten that Gaal Jecel existed. What happened to the guy who use to be on this forum with the most hideous flag I have ever seen. Thats the only dude I met. Cause for Hawiye Im sure the big ones are xawadle Habar Gidr and abgaal
Everything before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, which had all of the Italian peninsula unified could be considered an "Italian" state. If anything, the unification of Italy in the 19th century was actually a re-unification.
I think that first usage of "Somali" was either a typo on the Chinese part or they were taking about some other people, like Samburu ethnic group or something. That explains the imported giraffe.
If the Arabs, which are considered an ethnic group, can have many different nations that work as a collective at times exist, why can't we do the same?
I just accept the reality on the ground and move forward with it. If we team up we can win big together and bring about eternal peace.
Waxa kaliya ee aan ku dadaalo marka aan siyaasadda ka fikiro waa sidee nabad ugu soo dabaali karnaa dalkeena hooyo.
Are you implying 19th century Italy had continuity with the Western Roman Empire?
Those guys are interior nomads lmao. The only other East African people that had commercial ports besides Somalis were Eritreans and Swahilis.
You mean Arabians? Because Maghrebis, Egyptians, Levantines and Iraqis are certainly not one ethnicity. Anyways those Gulf states exist due to oil. Your hypothetical Somali qabil states would be too gaajo to function and irrelevant and easily bullied by Ethiopia or Kenya, like what is happening to Jubaland.
let them have their own gaajo jingad states, and they’ll collapse on themselves. Somaliweyn can continue without them. If anything the process gets easier.Are you implying 19th century Italy had continuity with the Western Roman Empire?
Those guys are interior nomads lmao. The only other East African people that had commercial ports besides Somalis were Eritreans and Swahilis.
You mean Arabians? Because Maghrebis, Egyptians, Levantines and Iraqis are certainly not one ethnicity. Anyways those Gulf states exist due to oil. Your hypothetical Somali qabil states would be too gaajo to function and irrelevant and easily bullied by Ethiopia or Kenya, like what is happening to Jubaland.
Does every qabiil get to have a separate state? i mean its only fair.Everything before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, which had all of the Italian peninsula unified could be considered an "Italian" state. If anything, the unification of Italy in the 19th century was actually a re-unification.
I think that first usage of "Somali" was either a typo on the Chinese part or they were taking about some other people, like Samburu ethnic group or something. That explains the imported giraffe.
If the Arabs, which are considered an ethnic group, can have many different nations that work as a collective at times exist, why can't we do the same?
Maxaa Tiri speaking Somalis are a single ethnic group by any definition. The Maay speakers along with speakers of the Digil languages are also Somalis in my opinion, but some anthropologists may disagree due to the difference in language.
So yes, Somalis are an ethnic group. The question is:
do the clans function like ethnic groups?
I argue yes. Somali clans function like ethnic groups. The level of conflict between Somali clans resembles that between disparate ethnic groups. Bosniaks, Serbs and Croatians are a single ethnic group. The Tigray and Tigrinya of Eritrea are the same people. Yet all of these groups absolutely hate each other and do not see each other as kin.
tl;dr Somali clans are not ethnic groups, but function like ethnic groups.
So yes, Somalis are an ethnic group. The question is:
do the clans function like ethnic groups?
I argue yes. Somali clans function like ethnic groups. The level of conflict between Somali clans resembles that between disparate ethnic groups. Bosniaks, Serbs and Croatians are a single ethnic group. The Tigray and Tigrinya of Eritrea are the same people. Yet all of these groups absolutely hate each other and do not see each other as kin.
tl;dr Somali clans are not ethnic groups, but function like ethnic groups.
That's because they're backwards nomads. The same issues still existed amongst kazakhs for example in the 19th century until they were conquered. If somalis largely became sedentary this would cease to be an issue.
This will never happen.
Somalia has already made massive strides towards urbanisation in the last 30 years, i dont see why this wont continue to go on.
Ah yes the Hutu version, yeah sacad live outside bacadweyn and Garacad, the cheek of these starving iljeexs
I'm not interested in engaging in FKD. My map is the map I identify with. You are free to believe in your version of the map.
The bastardized Somaliweyn concept is just Daroodism, not inclusive enough, that's why this ideology couldn't gain traction and why 77 was a failure. The intention behind recapturing Somali lands back from the Ethiopians was not heartfelt, not motivated by the right ideology.
Real Somaliweyn is Samaaleweyn. If we go by the old fairytale of how Somali qabiils came about, you'd realize that Samaaleweynism is the true binding force of the Somali people. If Samaaleweyn does not unite us all, Jidwaaq, Ciise, OGs, Isaaqs, etc in Jigjiga/Dir Dhabe will be assimilated by Amharas and Oromos in 10 years. We already have a couple of Somali (non-Darood) clans on the verge of being chomped up by the Oromummaa assimilation machine.
Adal, from the little I've read about it so far, was composed of many clans, Dir, Hawiye and Darood.
I said it wasn't 100% accurate.
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Somalis were not united because they were a backwards pastoral people whose land was not conductive to civilisation, this is why Somalia is a failed state today. The culture created by nomadism is the problem. Had Somalia on average received 500mm+ of rainfall from North to South, we would have been united and had a farming culture that wouldn’t have utilised qabiil.
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