Is hsm the worst president for Somalia?
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Hes better than Farmajoo, since he does the basic of stopping ethiopia
Better relationship with the west, which we need to not be balkanized.
General corruption however, refusal to end the SL project by recognizing awdal and ssc, but thats foreign induced.
All in all, development has turbo charged but theres not much you can do when the system is designed to keep somalia what it is, and the federal system preventing real change
Better relationship with the west, which we need to not be balkanized.
General corruption however, refusal to end the SL project by recognizing awdal and ssc, but thats foreign induced.
All in all, development has turbo charged but theres not much you can do when the system is designed to keep somalia what it is, and the federal system preventing real change
Sigmundd
Pinkyandthebrain
Real change is to overthrow this forever corrupt government and establish a comlete new system never seen before either intelligent leaders who actually wants to see change or expect no change.
failed war on AS, first return of piracy in 5 years, in the process of balkanizing somalia, AUSSOM merchant for foreign interference, can’t even get rid of Ethiopian consulate in garowe or Hargeisa while farmaajo PNG UN reps, warcrimes recorded by amnesty international, unmitigated corruption, increased inflation from xamar, “war on AS” and still attacks in the capital, and the highest SNA deathtoll in the last 10 years.
Farmaajo is much better than Hassan. But Hassan isn’t bad if your hawiye. If you like Somalia and want it to be free of all foreign influence. Then hassan wouldn’t be someone’s go to, or anyone like deni or madobe for that matter.
Farmaajo is much better than Hassan. But Hassan isn’t bad if your hawiye. If you like Somalia and want it to be free of all foreign influence. Then hassan wouldn’t be someone’s go to, or anyone like deni or madobe for that matter.
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Pearl of the Indian Ocean
Eiji Sawakita
Do you think there is a single person in Somalia's political landscape capable of leading Somalia?
Xasan Sheekh has been president for a total of 7 years of the past 12.
He had one job over those 7 years: building an effective SNA & rolling back Alshabab
Has he succeeded?
Map of Somalia in 2012
Map of Somalia in 2024
The war on Alshabab has been in a stalemate since 2012. Xasan Sheekh is, in large part, responsible for this failure. Alshabab is more powerful today than it was in Sep 2012 when Xasan Sheekh came to power.
He had one job over those 7 years: building an effective SNA & rolling back Alshabab
Has he succeeded?
Map of Somalia in 2012
Map of Somalia in 2024
The war on Alshabab has been in a stalemate since 2012. Xasan Sheekh is, in large part, responsible for this failure. Alshabab is more powerful today than it was in Sep 2012 when Xasan Sheekh came to power.
Abukar Osman who was the guy that got arms embargo lifted and always speaks for us with the UN, getting what somalia wants. He goes as far as to go in front of an audience of thousands of Somali students. To apologize on behalf of greedy Somali politicians who failed them in providing opportunities within Somalia. An action which shows humility and selflessness. And…
Hassan Ali Kheyre who is a master of diplomatic language against gaalo trying to use Somalia as their playground. He doesn’t care about any politician pointing guns at him either as he will confront them directly. He proved his acumen is restoring our nation by giving way to the biometric system which absolved our armed forces of corruption and ghost soldiers. With this one action he saved Somalia from the fate of Afghanistan. Being taken over by AS.
Odawa Yusuf rage. Don’t really need to explain this one, he has been fighting AS since he was a teenager in the SNA. A Somali national hero. He’s escaped many attempts on his life as he’s the one who has made al Shabaab retreat by himself on some occasions. The youngest chief of SNA in Somali history.
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How did hasan sheikh even rise to power, not once but twice?
Agreed, we need someone who actually cares. Thats something missing from presidents these days. Competent one too.
HSM is the worst president in Somali history according to my honest assessment. Here's why:
- Easily the most corrupted; the UN once accused him of stealing the aid money over a100m and provided the transactions between him and an American bank in Maryland, USA. Reuters reported it. https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...piracy-to-divert-somali-assets-idUSKBN0FL072/ He's the president with most assets in all of Somalia's history, before the presidency he was a professor at a local University in Mogadishu and now he's rich with residential estates in Mogadishu and several foreign countries. Where did he got the money?! The previous Central bank chief of Somalia quit after only seven weeks in the job, alleging she had been pressured to accept arrangements she believed would open the door to corruption. https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...wests-ties-to-somali-president-idUSBREA1D08P/
- He doesn't have the foresight or the military intellect and strategy to defeat or eradicate AS. Farmaajo was no saint but at least he was trying to build a proper military first before a fully fledged engagement with AS but HSM immediately started the fight without insufficient planning, strategy and logistics support. He failed miserably, caused the deaths of thousands of servicemen and gave a huge boost to AS ranks and their military strength in the process (he admitted that earlier this year).
- His foreign policy is atrocious. How many countries did he sign an agreement with?! Eritrea, Ethiopia, UAE, Qatar, Kenya, Turkey and the UK. What happened to those agreements?! Were they presented, discussed and eventually passed the parliament?! Nope.
- His hastiness to pass his own constitution puts the future of this struggling nation at risk. "Loo Joojin Maa" policy is a hawkish erratic and irresponsible policy that could irreversibly fracture what's left of this country. Even prominent Hawiye politicians like Sharif, AAW, Khaire and Abdulqadir Osoble voiced their opposition to his reckless plans. Why is he adamant to pass this constitution?! It's all about the next election and nothing else. HSM doesn't care about the well-being and the future of his people, instead his constitutional plans are all about securing another term with a farcical election that's going to happen in Hawiye regions only.
- His words mean NOTHING; he's currently opposed to most of his previous stances. There are hundreds of before and after videos online where he contradicts his previous stances. Churlish behaviour.
- HSM is no leader; a good leader would do whatever it takes to unite his people. A good leader would heal the deep wounds of this ailing nation. A good leader would put his entire efforts in creating a constitutional document that's accepted by all stakeholders. A good leader wouldn't loot and plunder his poor country's resources. A good leader won't practice nepotism, tribalism, favouritism, blatant corruption, bribery, criminality, fraudulence and deceit in his tenure.
Yeah HSM is pretty horrible, I agree. He is insanely corrupt. During the previous administration, they successfully lowered Somalia's corruption index. What happened when HSM came back? He dismantled the anti-corruption body and Somalia's corruption ranking increased lol. And of course you remember that Somali runner fiasco. Disgusting nepotism.
Even the Turkey deal which was good was planned by Farmajo.
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It’s also important to mention that Hassan improved heavily 2.5 years into his term. There’s ministers who cripple his government massively. Everything needs accountability though, if he doesn’t get rid of the ones making the nation worse, he’s responsible for their actions. Like I said, if your hawiye, your 100% valid for liking him because he created galmudug which directly gives Hawiye more of a say in Somali politics and has some of their best interests at heart. If we’re talking about Somalia as a whole though? Upon returning he immediately betrayed deni who got him elected, antagonized LG by removing af maay language from FGS constitution (later FGS soldiers had fights with LG state troops, further on LG nearly tried reviving a civil war jabhad against FGS for them insulting his clan constantly. FGS made it clear through this action that they hate LG’s people’s existence. The man who called rx “not Somali, and bred from gaal parents” kept his job), and came to jubbaland saying they give up their port and a good portion of their gobol’s parliamentary seats.
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Tiyeglow
A Laandheere always pays his debts
HSM is a corrupt spineless mayor of Mogadishu. I'm more interested in a honest and rational assessment of Farmaajo 2017-2022. Similar to this, with no cuqdad just a sourced outlook on his time, what he did well and what he got wrong.
Set a term limit so these leeches can't infect for more then 8 years.
Sigmundd
Pinkyandthebrain
I know right. Somali leaders simply aren't knowledgeable enough to run a country so rhe max should be 3 years with each. I don't know why a couple hasn't happened already.
