Is hsm the worst president for Somalia?

[DR OSMAN]

failed war on AS, first return of piracy in 5 years, in the process of balkanizing somalia, AUSSOM merchant for foreign interference, can’t even get rid of Ethiopian consulate in garowe or Hargeisa while farmaajo PNG UN reps, warcrimes recorded by amnesty international, unmitigated corruption, increased inflation from xamar, “war on AS” and still attacks in the capital, and the highest SNA deathtoll in the last 10 years.

Farmaajo is much better than Hassan. But Hassan isn’t bad if your hawiye. If you like Somalia and want it to be free of all foreign influence. Then hassan wouldn’t be someone’s go to, or anyone like deni or madobe for that matter.

What a damn shot at beesha hawiye saying Hassan isn't bad cause deep down you know their is far worse among hawiye leaders and u say this dude even if incompetent isn't nowhere near the disaster other hawiye leaders are. Its up to beesha hawiye to respond to this charge where he is saying your leaders are either bad or hellish and therefore the bad ones are better choice then your hellish ones.

This man placed hawiye leaders into the bad and worse category he doesn't believe any good or competent can emerge and its only a matter of deciding between moryan looters or warlords. It's time hawiye respond or else most people will assume this is the case and view the clan in those lenses.

I bet no hawiye will respond to this somali nationalist who even sees hawiye as a huge obstacle to his goals of unifying the nation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What a damn shot at beesha hawiye saying Hassan isn't bad cause deep down you know their is far worse among hawiye leaders and u say this dude even if incompetent isn't nowhere near the disaster other hawiye leaders are. Its up to beesha hawiye to respond to this charge where he is saying your leaders are either bad or hellish and therefore the bad ones are better choice then your hellish ones.

This man placed hawiye leaders into the bad and worse category he doesn't believe any good or competent can emerge and its only a matter of deciding between moryan looters or warlords. It's time hawiye respond or else most people will assume this is the case and view the clan in those lenses.

I bet no hawiye will respond to this somali nationalist who even sees hawiye as a huge obstacle to his goals of unifying the nation.

@Pastoralist

They are my abtiyaal hawiye especially murusade @Step a side and even my reer ayeeyo are abgaal like @Jungle

They think I'm the tribalist and bad one but notice not even my clan likes my views so how am I tribalist doesn't cross their minds. A true nationalist isn't liked by any clans that's their true marker. As long as someone likes your views your in big trouble and could be put down to clan.

Heck I even show them the open shots at hawiye being warlords or moryan looters and only good one is between those goal posts for most somali mindset. All I want them to do is fucking respond to these shots or else don't blame ppl who hear these arguments and then become anti hawiye.

 

[Pastoralist]

What a damn shot at beesha hawiye saying Hassan isn't bad cause deep down you know their is far worse among hawiye leaders and u say this dude even if incompetent isn't nowhere near the disaster other hawiye leaders are. Its up to beesha hawiye to respond to this charge where he is saying your leaders are either bad or hellish and therefore the bad ones are better choice then your hellish ones.

This man placed hawiye leaders into the bad and worse category he doesn't believe any good or competent can emerge and its only a matter of deciding between moryan looters or warlords. It's time hawiye respond or else most people will assume this is the case and view the clan in those lenses.

I bet no hawiye will respond to this somali nationalist who even sees hawiye as a huge obstacle to his goals of unifying the nation.

afweyne 100x is worse than HSM in regards to what he wanted. He wanted to exterminate issaq and RX to resettle OG and MX. He also gave WSF directives to terrorize Somali clans that he didn’t like. Being hawiye, rx, & dir. What I said is not a shot at hawiye, it’s just the truth for even people that live in PL, they want an MJ president to hold office and strengthen PL. So MJ, would like that president. That’s what Hassan is to some hawiye in GM, it’s going to become the richest state thanks to him. That would not have happened with a darood president. So understandably some, like HSM.
Hassan is a former NGO, that has more to do with his puppet tendencies than him being hawiye. Hawiye have the highest population of Somalia based on census, but not somaliweyn. They are somalia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

afweyne is worse than HSM in regards to what he wanted. He wanted to exterminate issaq and RX to resettle OG and MX. What I said is not a shot at hawiye, it’s just the truth for even people that live in PL, they want an MJ president to hold office and strengthen PL. So MJ, would like that president. That’s what Hassan is to some hawiye in GM, it’s going to become the richest state thanks to him. That would not have happened with a darood president.

Deflecting to siyad or mj is pathetic bra, your words Hassan isn't as bad some hawiyes, this means u see hawiye leadership as choosing between bad and very bad.or moryan looting vs warlord type of scenario. That's how u placed HSM, saying yeah his shit and a looter but their far worse hawiyes meaning killers and looters combined.

As usual you deflect to mj or siyad to think it will keep you safe pointing to some non existent enemy but you just showed what u think of other hawiyes and u don't wanna own it but u wanna sing it.

 

[Pastoralist]

Deflecting to siyad or mj is pathetic bra, your words Hassan isn't as bad some hawiyes, this means u see hawiye leadership as choosing between bad and very bad.or moryan looting vs warlord type of scenario. That's how u placed HSM, saying yeah his shit and a looter but their far worse hawiyes meaning killers and looters combined.

As usual you deflect to mj or siyad to think it will keep you safe pointing to some non existent enemy but you just showed what u think of other hawiyes and u don't wanna own it but u wanna sing it.

That was the thought process when writing that. Just that he did the most for hawiye—>so some hawiye would like him. You twisting the words to say “hawiye are used to bad presidents”. Farmaajo’s best government members were Hawiye. Why the hell would they be detriment of Somalia for one individual they wouldn’t claim if there was 1m1v

sxb there’s no discernible group that’s black and white. You can’t point at any entire group and say “they support HSM”. Who in Somalia is responsible for HSM’s presidency? Is it not darood??? They all voted for the man in parliament. Hold deni accountable instead of hawiye. Just know, if I was a businessman in GM, there’d HSM pictures all over the house because he’s resurging the economy there. Which is why it says “he isn’t bad if you’re hawiye”.

most of Somalia’s problems are from darood, but they’re also essential to becoming a full fledged nation. Somalia loses half its supposed would be strength without them.

 

[Pastoralist]

@DR OSMAN if you truly want a great Somalia you should adopt article V (a) of the SYL constitution which even majeerten took part in creating.


“To unite all Somalis in general and youth in particular and to reject all old habits such as tribalism, sufi orders, clanism and the like. SYL will work towards the good of the country.”

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN if you truly want a great Somalia you should adopt article V (a) of the SYL constitution which even majeerten took part in creating.


“To unite all Somalis in general and youth in particular and to reject all old habits such as tribalism, sufi orders, clanism and the like. SYL will work towards the good of the country.”

Those articles would sound good to a people in the 60s, heck I might even buy into since their no real history between us and a common colonial enemy.

But post 91 and what we witnessed between 91 till 2024 or if some like stretch it to say 78 to 2024, well you would just need to be like a child rite? or you would need to just do it for public show, but their no way u can academically and intellectually prove a nation in a civil war for 30 years can go back to an idealogy or system not fit to address the current climate.

Good luck tho as u could win many gullible nationalists living in a 1960 fiction.

vs the 1991 to 2024 reality

I prefer to ground myself in the current reality call me a clannist at least it's real not some fictious period in the 1960s with no real shared history and a common enemy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Pastoralist

All u really have to offer is hope and belief Somalia can rise above 1991 to 2024 Era, hope, belief, heck even tribal political correctness but remember it's just words which I call empty words I heard since the 90s and I don't see any results.

Heck sleep on this even my own clan don't like my views @Libaax-Joore

I am.just a raw nigga with strong words, I tell them alternative solutions not historical solutions like your running around with even tho you know it's been tried for 30 years and their nothing to show for it, heck I assume u only do it to extend their pain and gain social credits while ill accept social loss but if they move on with realistic solutions, I'm happy.

 

[Pastoralist]

Those articles would sound good to a people in the 60s, heck I might even buy into since their no real history between us and a common colonial enemy.

But post 91 and what we witnessed between 91 till 2024 or if some like stretch it to say 78 to 2024, well you would just need to be like a child rite? or you would need to just do it for public show, but their no way u can academically and intellectually prove a nation in a civil war for 30 years can go back to an idealogy or system not fit to address the current climate.

Good luck tho as u could win many gullible nationalists living in a 1960 fiction.

vs the 1991 to 2024 reality

Somali is past the era of warring states and now just has reconciliation to deal with. It all starts with a dictator, any, even HSM would do, anything to get Somalia out of its hellhole and achieve 1m1v.

Talking with grown adults under a tree preferably, but nowadays in an office or hotel, beats millions of displaced and hundreds of thousands killed. 2010-2024 is proof that Somalia is recovering no matter what minor disagreements there will was or will be.

@Pastoralist

All u really have to offer is hope and belief Somalia can rise above 1991 to 2024 Era, hope, belief, heck even tribal political correctness but remember it's just words which I call empty words I heard since the 90s and I don't see any results.

Heck sleep on this even my own clan don't like my views @Libaax-Joore

I am.just a raw nigga with strong words, I tell them alternative solutions not historical solutions like your running around with even tho you know it's been tried for 30 years and their nothing to show for it, heck I assume u only do it to extend their pain and gain social credits while ill accept social loss but if they move on with realistic solutions, I'm happy.

Well as long as it’s an ideological conundrum you carry there’ll always be people from your own clan that don’t agree. Supporting SYL for their belief is important, every year Somalis sing songs which promote unity during Independence Day that SYL created yet some of them singing don’t even know the first thing about them.

the other parts of article V (b), (c), and (d) need work. D, teaching all Somalis osmanya script will probably never happen, however the rest are possible. We’ve seen what dowlad imo looks like, the Somalis in SYL were broke yet their impact lasts to this day. There’s no way Somalia which is getting richer by the year can’t make enough progress to figure itself out.


Can’t stand HSM. But here’s the catch. Even idiots like Hassan can do great things for the country. MJ don’t like him, but diyaano is a talented man, HSM also brought back Odawa, the current president has also taken steps to listen to his own expert advisors and not the inept ministers. To give every Somali electricity, make education free for everyone, raise a strong national army, and make sure everyone has access to food.

So our puppet president, is actually better than many leaders in Africa.

 

[Jungle]

To all the haters:

And get ready for another 5 YEARS

They are used to hating everything to do with muqdisho and fgs. Some of these people have been opposing HSM since his first term and farmaajo that is nearly 15 years of calaacal at the end of this presidential term.

Another 5 years it will be

 

[Pastoralist]

They are used to hating everything to do with muqdisho and fgs. Some of these people have been opposing HSM since his first term and farmaajo that is nearly 15 years of calaacal at the end of this presidential term.

Another 5 years it will be

Wallahi I came into HSM’s term being hopeful for Somalia and happy for him. 5 months into his term, that came to an end.

 

[Jungle]

Wallahi I came into HSM’s term being hopeful for Somalia and happy for him. 5 months into his term, that came to an end.

Its been repeated dozens of times on here he has helped alot with the security and prosperity of Middle Shabelle. You can look up on fb or tiktok the various districts part of the region from the river shabelle to the sea. Daily vlogs sxb hundreds of youth enjoying themselves, 4k amisom gone allaha mahad iskaleh

The narrative on here doesn't fly anywhere else

 

[Pastoralist]

Its been repeated dozens of times on here he has helped alot with the security and prosperity of Middle Shabelle. You can look up on fb or tiktok the various districts part of the region from the river shabelle to the sea. Daily vlogs sxb hundreds of youth enjoying themselves, 4k amisom gone allaha mahad iskaleh

The narrative on here doesn't fly anywhere else

It’s good that he’s benefiting someone. Not a fan of him , but like @Hilmaam , a piece of myself wants to see the constitution go through just to see what happens. If he uses the oil money to take over the rest of the country economically then threatens SL with the Lascanood ICC case so they can work with him. That’s a win. Him bringing back Odawa was a huge step that shows that he wants the country to get better. Even with him the country the country is progressing, which is something to be happy about. Firing Odawa and distancing from turkey/eritrea were the two of the main causes for concern with him, he’s improved since the Ethiopia nonsense.

 

[IKHALIIL]

then threatens SL

Firing Odawa and distancing from turkey/eritrea were the two of the main causes for concern with him

He's had close relations with turkey since 2012, how do you think tuks0m came to be?

 

[Pastoralist]

It seems you couldn’t comprehend the rest of what was said there

He's had close relations with turkey since 2012, how do you think tuks0m came to be?

”dunida la heshis ah” he tries to have good relations with everyone, leaving something to be desired with Somalia’s true allies. So to make it simple, not as close as the relationship should be. Though as said before, he’s wisened up the past two years, we no longer see the guy sending troops to uganda like his first term and first half of his second term.