Is hsm the worst president for Somalia?
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Hsm done literally nothing good for the country. He is worthless, Farmajo is better than him and any other guy can easily replace him. Main issue with Somalia is the lack of a legitimate goverment.
Get ready for the next Daarood president to start burying you in your shoes againTo all the haters:
And get ready for another 5 YEARS
This qabil garbage that you boomers constantly bring up is such drivel man. Who cares about that shit? Stupid old people man, that's why you old guys struggle and fail in life.Get ready for the next Daarood president to start burying you in your shoes again
you took it in stride. how astuteTo all the haters:
And get ready for another 5 YEARS
my question to you is would you support another abgal running for president besides Hassan? Like Odawa. Or does it have to be Hassan ?
Exactly. We have to keep SYL alive not just in memory, but also by practicing their beliefs of a Somalia for Somalis. With all of us in unison by getting rid of the Qabil lens that blinds people.
it’s why xamar is so important, those 13 men who started SYL had little compared to other organizations but they still persisted and went down in history. It nearly brings a tear remembering what we lost. Dumbass afweyne
Do you always cry everywhere sxbExactly. We have to keep SYL alive not just in memory, but also by practicing their beliefs of a Somalia for Somalis. With all of us in unison by getting rid of the Qabil lens that blinds people.
it’s why xamar is so important, those 13 men who started SYL had little compared to other organizations but they still persisted and went down in history. It nearly brings a tear remembering what we lost. Dumbass afweyne
and always beg other countries for money It’s ironic that you say that, because that same sick ideology you follow, looks down on you for been a “women” and says you have no clanQabil is the nature of Somalis. Deal with it.
Qabiliste 68iq leh ba tahay. Sidada ma uu dalan AlhamdullilahDo you always cry everywhere sxb
Your playing dumb. The guy is clearly talking qabyalaad.Qabil is the nature of Somalis. Deal with it.
Does this map scare you
He’s probably one of the most if not the most corrupt leader since the FGS was created, but he’s also the president who has done the most in terms of development and or foreign relations, done the most against the fight against AS, large amount of land was taken from them even though the fight was a failure, started the process of training Somali forces aboard large training volume that is, took Kenya first to court for the sea theft debacle, the economy has grown dramatically under his tenure, applied and admitted under the EAC trade relation, which will see a further increase in the economy and better prospects for Somali businesses, which has currently seen the positive impact, improved relation with Turkey which has seen a significant growth in exports and created the oil and gas and security MOU, during his first term he was the one to start and accelerate the process for the removal of the arms embargo on Somalia, and during his second term the arms embargo was lifted, the Farmajoo administration had also done work towards this initiative, he had officially opened the IBS (international bank of Somalia) during his first term, he had mandate that the Somali language be the sole language of the government and that all other languages are therein secondary, although Sheik Sharif government was the one to start the process of the retrieval of the Somali airspace, Hassan government had a massive impact in the retrieval of the national airspace during Farmajoo tensure, Somalia foreign relations has skyrocketed under his tensure, building relations with many European, African and Asian countries, which has slowly seen the Somali passport power increase, going from 99 to 80 with visa free access to 73 countries. There are many more things he has done to benefit the nation, to say that he hasn’t done anything for the country is quite disingenuous and a fabrication.
In saying that, he has also had many chances to unite the country and elevate it from its current predicament. His government has partaken in mass corruption and tribalism which has disproportionately affected the unity and political structure of the country. Achievements aside I do not believe he is the leader the people need, his actions over his two tenure as president has made that clear.
@Sup debt relief, arms embargo, and UNSC seat retrieval belong to farmaajo. This is something that even hawiye who hate Farmaajo from every fibre of their being can admit.
what HSM did for any of those 3 is akin to inventing coffee. HSM found the coffee beans, but the one who actually made the caffeinated beverage was farmaaajo.
the airspace:
www.hiiraan.com
A US firm attempted to control our airspace. While farmaajo’s FGS refused their proposals, he left those shady deals and joined IATA which handles the airspace of the most airlines in the world, so it’s the most reliable. If HSM was in the midst of this, what do you think he would have done ? Farmaajo isn’t a genius, he just had Somali experts from every field giving him consul on what to do, HSM doesn’t have that most of the time.
The arms embargo:
www.aljazeera.com
Farmaajo argued that since african troops will leave according to the STP(the plan for Somalia to completely replace amisom). The international community didn’t buy it until he actually achieved it by convincing amisom to leave with the help of Abukar Osman and the foreign minister Abdirahman Abdirizak who convinced the IC of STP. Seeing farmaajo’s plan in action, IC had no choice but to strengthen Somali troops who would now be replacing African troops. STP=AMISOM——>ATMIS
we don’t need to ask what HSM would do for this one since we saw it in real time back in 2022-2023. He completely went against the STP approved by IC that had no flaws and gave the SNA their highest death toll and desertions in the past decade, during a single year. He then asked IC to keep African troops in Somalia (AUSSOM). IC convinced that the current FGS can’t follow through on the STP, obliged.
what HSM did for any of those 3 is akin to inventing coffee. HSM found the coffee beans, but the one who actually made the caffeinated beverage was farmaaajo.
the airspace:
Somalia denies claims of airspace handover as US company seeks fees collection deal
MOGADISHU (HOL) - Somalia has refuted media reports that that it intends to hand over the mangement of its airspace to a foreign entity as the country prepares for an upgrade of its airspace.
A US firm attempted to control our airspace. While farmaajo’s FGS refused their proposals, he left those shady deals and joined IATA which handles the airspace of the most airlines in the world, so it’s the most reliable. If HSM was in the midst of this, what do you think he would have done ? Farmaajo isn’t a genius, he just had Somali experts from every field giving him consul on what to do, HSM doesn’t have that most of the time.
The arms embargo:
Somalia wants ‘big guns, not AK-47s’ to beat al-Shabab
President tells London conference Somali troops need access to heavy weapons in fight against armed group al-Shabab.
Farmaajo argued that since african troops will leave according to the STP(the plan for Somalia to completely replace amisom). The international community didn’t buy it until he actually achieved it by convincing amisom to leave with the help of Abukar Osman and the foreign minister Abdirahman Abdirizak who convinced the IC of STP. Seeing farmaajo’s plan in action, IC had no choice but to strengthen Somali troops who would now be replacing African troops. STP=AMISOM——>ATMIS
we don’t need to ask what HSM would do for this one since we saw it in real time back in 2022-2023. He completely went against the STP approved by IC that had no flaws and gave the SNA their highest death toll and desertions in the past decade, during a single year. He then asked IC to keep African troops in Somalia (AUSSOM). IC convinced that the current FGS can’t follow through on the STP, obliged.
I think everyone here is aware the love and admiration you have for Farmajoo, so I see the appeal to garnish the relevant points I have made. Your nonsensical analogies aside, you’ve clearly disregarded the points I have made. I don’t understand how you can credit these points to Farmajoo when they have been in play for over a decade (debit relief and the arms embargo, airspace that is), before he was even in politics. Yes his administration contributed to their success, I’m not denying that at all, but he did not start them nor did he do the overwhelming majority of the work, that credit goes to Sheikh Sharif and HSM. Much like the Somali troops training initiative and taking Kenya to court over the sea theft debacle, it was inherited by his administration. You perplex me sometimes, the constant back and forth, in regard to your political views is never ending, constantly changing ones perspective in the heat of the moment, at least be honest with yourself sxb ( not the only one to say this). You haven’t really provided any evidence, yet you keep spouting the same old nonsensical rhetoric. Visit the IMF website and have a close read, you’ll also find some evidence regarding the arms embargo / airspace removal initiative on the UN / Google website, which dates back before Farmajoo political career started.@Sup debt relief, arms embargo, and UNSC seat retrieval belong to farmaajo. This is something that even hawiye who hate Farmaajo from every fibre of their being can admit.
what HSM did for any of those 3 is akin to inventing coffee. HSM found the coffee beans, but the one who actually made the caffeinated beverage was farmaaajo.
the airspace:
Somalia denies claims of airspace handover as US company seeks fees collection deal
MOGADISHU (HOL) - Somalia has refuted media reports that that it intends to hand over the mangement of its airspace to a foreign entity as the country prepares for an upgrade of its airspace.
A US firm attempted to control our airspace. While farmaajo’s FGS refused their proposals, he left those shady deals and joined IATA which handles the airspace of the most airlines in the world, so it’s the most reliable. If HSM was in the midst of this, what do you think he would have done ? Farmaajo isn’t a genius, he just had Somali experts from every field giving him consul on what to do, HSM doesn’t have that most of the time.
The arms embargo:
Somalia wants ‘big guns, not AK-47s’ to beat al-Shabab
President tells London conference Somali troops need access to heavy weapons in fight against armed group al-Shabab.
Farmaajo argued that since african troops will leave according to the STP(the plan for Somalia to completely replace amisom). The international community didn’t buy it until he actually achieved it by convincing amisom to leave with the help of Abukar Osman and the foreign minister Abdirahman Abdirizak who convinced the IC of STP. Seeing farmaajo’s plan in action, IC had no choice but to strengthen Somali troops who would now be replacing African troops. STP=AMISOM——>ATMIS
we don’t need to ask what HSM would do for this one since we saw it in real time back in 2022-2023. He completely went against the STP approved by IC that had no flaws and gave the SNA their highest death toll and desertions in the past decade, during a single year. He then asked IC to keep African troops in Somalia (AUSSOM). IC convinced that the current FGS can’t follow through on the STP, obliged.
I don’t believe Hawyie hate Farmajoo, I mean if it wasn’t for them he would never have gotten into power, not to mention his core support base is / was from there. Even today, you see some people protesting for his return in Xamar.
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No offence, but there’s too much hogwash in your written piece which contains suggestive jabs at character. That stuff is irrelevant. Just going to focus on the UN resolutions for arms embargo being lifted.
Anyways from what can be surmised from all the resolutions. HSM started it in 2013 with a light lift of the arms embargo and continued by obtaining seizure rights from the UN to capture anything outside FGS/FMS possession including parts for explosives, charcoal, and arms in 2014. The thing is, HSM gave us ghost soldiers in 2016-2017, imagine if they were still around, we’d never get arms embargo since one of the terms is literally that “no other entity within the country besides FGS has safe and controlled access to these weapons”.
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it was revealed during the UN probe in 2022 that farmaajo created the outline which would be followed for the removal of the arms embargo from 2021 to 2025 which is the term HSM resides in. So to make it clear, he didn’t just do “some work” he made the whole thing possible, same goes for Hassan, he started it, however who has greater contribution to it is a different story.
If it was an essay, HSM created the introduction; farmaajo did reasons 1, 2, & 3 with supporting evidence for each reason making the bulk of the essay; and Hassan wrote the conclusion with farmaajo’s blueprint.
going to reply about the airspace later too. Just that we both have places to be. To add, haven’t accused you of being an HSM supporter yet, so the same is expected from you. Your way of typing says you enjoy your president and it hurts to see him go down the wrong path. You’re a solid guy who’s agreeable, let’s keep this civil. If you want to say they both contributed that’s acceptable.
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Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I’m not the one been patronising sxb,
Posting news article and snippets of documents with no sources doesn’t really prove your argument, nor have you posted any real evidence, just a bunch of drivel, that doesn’t prove my argument wrong. These initiatives have been a continuous goal for the government, since the TFG was around, calling my argument “hogwash” and saying “it’s relevant” doesn’t make it so, nor does attributing these intangible “successes” to one man.
Unlike you I have always been consistent with my political beliefs, I am not a HSM supporter nor am I a Farmajoo supporter, but you on the other have often praised them both, coincidentally not at the same time. Both men have done virtually nothing tangible for the advancement of their nation, but unlike some individuals I give credit when it’s due.
Farmajoo administration completed attributes, that I have never denied. OP asked a question and I have answered it to the best of my knowledge, if you see it as clan member rushing to defend another, that’s your issue not mine.
The stuff sent is from the UN resolutions. That you asked for. Look if I came off confrontational that’s my fault. However p.s. the next excerpt
Sxb reread what you said about me and say your not patronizing, when saying stuff like “be honest with yourself” and “we all know you love farmaajo” to try and diminish the argument. Maybe a better word than hogwash could’ve been used.
Farmaajo did the bulk of the work for the arms embargo. But hey, truth is, that stuff doesn’t matter, arguing with someone who wants Somalia to get better is counterproductive.
Sources of the docs from UN
already mentioned mentioned HSM’s contribution. Those are from the 2013-2014 resolutions.
farmaajo from his achievements in the other post and the benchmarks
#12 the biometric system
Official lifting of the arms embargo after two assessments of checking the governments readiness since Hassan took over
hawiye liking HSM is about HSM being the ideal figure for those that want their state to become rich and make up for all the marginalization from MSB. If every Somali lived in GM, they’d all love him. He got rid of AS there and is making it the richest state. So generally those that like him, come from a certain demographic.
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been looking for a SYL flag for over a year and can’t find it. Their memory is duly erased, slowly. Remembering it is important.
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