Is it possible to rehabilitate these people?

[saywalahi]

Wtf
Any soldier who does that needs to be executed on the spot
Talk about disloyalty and embarrassing the country

well imagine you have a gun and your family is starving, so you make an illegal checkpoint to make money, this is basically the gist of it. Its common in many parts of the country and is a byproduct of lawlessness and no government, the death sentence is too much for them, but yeah you're they shouldn't be allowed in the military.

 

[TSP]

The pic I showed is Amin Ambulance. An Ambulance service that has done extraordinary work in Mogadishu. I asked you for prove that AS used an ambulance to carry out an attack. Your source proves that AS sees ambulances as a threat, just like that ex isbaaro militant.

I already knew beforehand what Amin ambulance did in Mogadishu the past 10 years and may Allah swt reward them for the great help they did during the worst attack on Somali soil but my argument here was that it’s not out of question for AS to use ambulances. Terrorist groups have been known to use ambulances to transport bombs and with the recent security measures implemented after the zoobe attack AS will inevitably turn to use ambulances just like any other terror group would do.

Yes, AS hasn’t used an ambulance bomb yet but my main argument was that it’s best to do your due diligence to those whom have no moral fiber. If these guys would use kids to do their bidding I don’t see how they won’t use ambulances to circumvent the security measures in the future especially since it’s been weeks since their last bombing.

 

[GlitzyCue_]

well imagine you have a gun and your family is starving, so you make an illegal checkpoint to make money, this is basically the gist of it. Its common in many parts of the country and is a byproduct of lawlessness and no government, the death sentence is too much for them, but yeah you're they shouldn't be allowed in the military.

And the people they’re robbing have families to feed
No once you take the oath to protect the country and citizens
You should honor it
Any soldier who dishonors that oath should face the consequence
I only said execution because in the few years the country is building we need to scare those who are suppose to be an example
What’s more scary than death
We need to be hard on government workers
My motto is once you have your close workers following orders everyone else will fall back in line

 

[embarassing]

The ambulance is not at fault here. It's the 'soldier' that's holding them at gun point. You can see the traffic behind the ambulance, suggesting the ambulance is heading towards the suicide attack. If they were the culprits, they'd run away from the explosion site instead of of running towards the place.


You lack perspective nowadays. You always agree with cowardice moves from the government and their 'security apparatus'. I remember you agreeing with the cowardice act of Farmaajo to forgive the killer of minister Siraaji because an old toothless grandma threatened to burn your beloved Daynille.

I've never seen the fake soldiers holding AS at gun point. Heck these are the same men that gave the truckdriver of the Zoope attack free pass to go through several checkpoints but it's 'better safe than sorry' when it comes to ambulances.

I wish you were this hardcore to convicted murderers as you're to harmless ambulances.

Lol no, I don't always agree. But this post is a silly spin. My opinion wasn't that the killer should be let off I said I *understand* why he did it not that I agreed. It all comes down to qabyalad with you which explains your unnecessary mention of Dayniile lol.

The soldiers never gave them a free pass and I'm sorry it bothers you they're doing whatever it takes. I'd rather ambulances be stopped and checked than another explosion.

And there wasn't anything hardcore about what I said either lol?

Enjoy your Saturday

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

And the people they’re robbing have families to feed
No once you take the oath to protect the country and citizens
You should honor it
Any soldier who dishonors that oath should face the consequence
I only said execution because in the few years the country is building we need to scare those who are suppose to be an example
What’s more scary than death
We need to be hard on government workers
My motto is once you have your close workers following orders everyone else will fall back in line

Yes I agree on this. In fact I think public executions (using the effective method of decapitation) should be established.

 

[GlitzyCue_]

Yes I agree on this. In fact I think public executions (using the effective method of decapitation) should be established.

That’s a bit too extreme
It’ll make the citizens riot
We need to quietly make them disappear in special prisons
Torture them first
And sometimes let certain prisoners go
So there can be rumors about what’s going on
That would definitely create fear

 

[XamarCade]

That’s a bit too extreme
It’ll make the citizens riot
We need to quietly make them disappear in special prisons
Torture them first
And sometimes let certain prisoners go
So there can be rumors about what’s going on
That would definitely create fear

Waa wareey u and merchant are bahalos ileen

We need to waterboard them

 

[GlitzyCue_]

Waa wareey u and merchant are bahalos ileen

We need to waterboard them

@MerchantOfMogadishu was just joking

I on the other hand believe in zero tolerance for certain criminals

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

@MerchantOfMogadishu was just joking

I on the other hand believe in zero tolerance for certain criminals



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Who said I'm joking?

Public executions are required against terrorists and murderers. It's a physical and psychological deterrent against those savage barbarians.

 

[TSP]

That’s a bit too extreme
It’ll make the citizens riot
We need to quietly make them disappear in special prisons
Torture them first
And sometimes let certain prisoners go
So there can be rumors about what’s going on
That would definitely create fear

I know that the SFG amnesty approach earlier this year didn’t go anywhere but when fighting an ideological battle like this it’s a step in the right direction. It’s hard to instil fear in those who would fight to the death but it’s easy to sew the seeds of disillusionment through the propaganda war. That’s how you win this kind of war when the other side doesn’t think their cause is worth fighting for.

It’s a battle of hearts and minds but our current politicians would rather spend on themselves than on the people ( look at the graphic @XamarCade posted in the first page with 44% of the budget going to their own pockets and 14.5% is on the people). This is why we need a culture change because I don’t see any significant progress happening soon

 

[Tywin Mejerteen]

 

[GlitzyCue_]

I know that the SFG amnesty approach earlier this year didn’t go anywhere but when fighting an ideological battle like this it’s a step in the right direction. It’s hard to instil fear in those who would fight to the death but it’s easy to sew the seeds of disillusionment through the propaganda war. That’s how you win this kind of war when the other side doesn’t think their cause is worth fighting for.

It’s a battle of hearts and minds but our current politicians would rather spend on themselves than on the people ( look at the graphic @XamarCade posted in the first page with 44% of the budget going to their own pockets and 14.5% is on the people). This is why we need a culture change because I don’t see any significant progress happening soon

A culture change can’t happen with no security saaxiib
That’s why we need to try the zero tolerance policy first and at the same time rebuild infrastructure and create jobs

For two reasons the poor will know there’s other options in place to help them but also those who choose to still do wrong will be dealt with swiftly.

 

[GlitzyCue_]

Who said I'm joking?

Public executions are required against terrorists and murderers. It's a physical and psychological deterrent against those savage barbarians.

Public? You know what makes third world and first world different
The government in 1st world operates secretly
Public executions would put us in a bad light with the international communities
Public violence wouldn’t be a good thing for the citizens to see
The people are already too traumatized

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

I know that the SFG amnesty approach earlier this year didn’t go anywhere but when fighting an ideological battle like this it’s a step in the right direction. It’s hard to instil fear in those who would fight to the death but it’s easy to sew the seeds of disillusionment through the propaganda war. That’s how you win this kind of war when the other side doesn’t think their cause is worth fighting for.

It’s a battle of hearts and minds but our current politicians would rather spend on themselves than on the people ( look at the graphic @XamarCade posted in the first page with 44% of the budget going to their own pockets and 14.5% is on the people). This is why we need a culture change because I don’t see any significant progress happening soon

A culture change can only happen once the government is able to eradicate corruption.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Public? You know what makes third world and first world different
The government in 1st world operates secretly
Public executions would put us in a bad light with the international communities
Public violence wouldn’t be a good thing for the citizens to see
The people are already too traumatized

Quite frankly, I don't give a damn what the IC thinks about public executions. It's not like they've solved any of our problems thus far.

You are right about the citizens though. However, there must be a psychological deterrent to such barbarity. I can only think of public executions. How are we supposed to root out sympathisers or operatives lurking in Xamar?

A cultural change as mudane @TSP suggested requires money and dedication, something the current administration does not have.

 

[TSP]

A culture change can’t happen with no security saaxiib
That’s why we need to try the zero tolerance policy first and at the same time rebuild infrastructure and create jobs

For two reasons the poor will know there’s other options in place to help them but also those who choose to still do wrong will be dealt with swiftly.

Zero tolerance policy works when you have something to protect and have the power to implement the heavy handed measures.

You’re absolutely correct in saying security matter most but I just don’t think it’s applicable here when SFG is being challenged externally and internally. I meant culture change to fix itself internally since trust is an all-time low.

 

[GlitzyCue_]

Zero tolerance policy works when you have something to protect and have the power to implement the heavy handed measures.

You’re absolutely correct in saying security matter most but I just don’t think it’s applicable here when SFG is being challenged externally and internally. I meant culture change to fix itself internally since trust is an all-time low.

Idk saaxiib it seems things went backwards Instead of forwards
Can we really trust they’ll internally change?
Either way the most important thing is security and infrastructure
The goverment needs trust from the citizens

 

[TSP]

Idk saaxiib it seems things went backwards Instead of forwards
Can we really trust they’ll internally change?
Either way the most important thing is security and infrastructure
The goverment needs trust from the citizens

It becomes a huge shitshow when you throw in clan dynamics and foreign meddling into the mix.

Obviously not but the citizens have become fed up with the status quo. The only way forward is to seize the moment they have right now with everyone coming together after the oct 14 bombing.

 

[GlitzyCue_]

It becomes a huge shitshow when you throw in clan dynamics and foreign meddling into the mix.

Obviously not but the citizens have become fed up with the status quo. The only way forward is to seize the moment they have right now with everyone coming together after the oct 14 bombing.

So true but you know it’s not going to
Happen
Wallahi they’re incompetence angers me
I say once we take over those in goverment known for being corrupt or committing a crime should be arrested.

 

[Gibiin-Udug]

They're asking me, my people and my state for money to train ex isbaaro militants.

They are asking us to donate to retrain these psychos.

Rehabilitate former moryaans who have killed our people?


No thanks...


But I expect @Cognitivedissonance to sell his Oyster card and send the profit he made from the Oyster card to them. Stupid kumbaya iga dheh.