Arabic then for dishonest/unfaithful
Is KH in Somali borrowed from Arabic or indigenous
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I've accepted northern somali is basicly broken arabic.
Oh right i thought you was listing those words to say they are not of arabic origin, my bad
I was but i didn't know they'd all be arabic.
Some sounds of Somali words were made as a justification for our membership of the Arab League. Words like kh, q—X—dh— C. No language, culture or physical appearance, but only only 4 words. How is that?
At this point our language sounds more semetic than cushitic.
Jodeci
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its not, kingcobra stop speaking for us
half your posts are
Focus, we gotta get ready for jihad on the other thread. We're on the same team.
The man drank too much alcohol the night before and so he drank coffee in the morning . After work , he checked his temperature - it was average , so he sat on the sofa for a bit and then went to sleep on the mattress . He felt like going to a doctor or better going on a Safari holiday .
All of the words in bold are likely to be of Semitic or Arabic origin. Arabic loan words are common in Spanish , English and many other languages .( Read :Islam , trade , Arab-led Empire ).
Obviously , since the Somalis are Muslim people in close promixity to the Arabian peninsula and there is a history of Arab settlements in Somalia , it is only natural for us to have loan words from their language . This is the same for many other languages in Asia and Africa . Ask a Sikh man for a Kursi and say it is Khalas and he will think you know Punjabi .
Does that mean Somali is corrupted Arabic or similar to Arabic ? Absolutely not ! English probably has more French words than Somali has Arabic yet English is still , by way of genetic history , word formation and grammatical structure , a Germanic language . The structure of Somali is purely Cushitic and only a minority of our words are of Arabic origin . More often than not , there is an equivalent Somali word for many of the Arabic loan words we use . Swahili has many Arabic loan words but it is still a Bantu language .
Mind you , people often
Forget that fact that the Arabic language itself Contains many words from Persian , Ancient Phoenician , Hebrew , Aramaic and so forth . Many words which we consider to be of Arabic origin are likely to have been loaned from the aforementioned languages . I suspect the word coffee could well be refer to the Ethiopian Kingdom of Kaffa or has been derived from some language in the Horn .
Likewise , some of the Arabic sounding words used in parts of Ethiopia and the Horn were most likely loaned from Geez or from the Semetic languages spoken in Ethiopia and Eritrea . There are two points of Semetic language influence in the Horn .
As for the topic , it is interesting that many Cushitic Somali words beginning with X( Xadhig, for example )can be found but the vast majority of Kh sounds are clearly Arabic loan words . It is also interesting to note how some Somalis struggle with the Kh sound and at times Substitute it with the Q sound ( as in Sheeq) .
I am starting to think that original Somali had the X and Q sound and not the Kh sound . Maybe the Kh sound was introduced when Somalis made heavy contact with Arabic speakers and had to use Kh to read Quran . The only problem with that theory is the South had more Arab influence than the North. Perhaps it has to do with the Souths proximity to Af Maay speakers ?
@Young Popeye ,
Do you know if Kh sound was used in original Oromo and other Cushitic languages ? Are there Cushitic language from which these sounds are absent ?
@Grant , how about Af Maay and other minority languages in the South ?
# Suugo linguistics.
All of the words in bold are likely to be of Semitic or Arabic origin. Arabic loan words are common in Spanish , English and many other languages .( Read :Islam , trade , Arab-led Empire ).
Obviously , since the Somalis are Muslim people in close promixity to the Arabian peninsula and there is a history of Arab settlements in Somalia , it is only natural for us to have loan words from their language . This is the same for many other languages in Asia and Africa . Ask a Sikh man for a Kursi and say it is Khalas and he will think you know Punjabi .
Does that mean Somali is corrupted Arabic or similar to Arabic ? Absolutely not ! English probably has more French words than Somali has Arabic yet English is still , by way of genetic history , word formation and grammatical structure , a Germanic language . The structure of Somali is purely Cushitic and only a minority of our words are of Arabic origin . More often than not , there is an equivalent Somali word for many of the Arabic loan words we use . Swahili has many Arabic loan words but it is still a Bantu language .
Mind you , people often
Forget that fact that the Arabic language itself Contains many words from Persian , Ancient Phoenician , Hebrew , Aramaic and so forth . Many words which we consider to be of Arabic origin are likely to have been loaned from the aforementioned languages . I suspect the word coffee could well be refer to the Ethiopian Kingdom of Kaffa or has been derived from some language in the Horn .
Likewise , some of the Arabic sounding words used in parts of Ethiopia and the Horn were most likely loaned from Geez or from the Semetic languages spoken in Ethiopia and Eritrea . There are two points of Semetic language influence in the Horn .
As for the topic , it is interesting that many Cushitic Somali words beginning with X( Xadhig, for example )can be found but the vast majority of Kh sounds are clearly Arabic loan words . It is also interesting to note how some Somalis struggle with the Kh sound and at times Substitute it with the Q sound ( as in Sheeq) .
I am starting to think that original Somali had the X and Q sound and not the Kh sound . Maybe the Kh sound was introduced when Somalis made heavy contact with Arabic speakers and had to use Kh to read Quran . The only problem with that theory is the South had more Arab influence than the North. Perhaps it has to do with the Souths proximity to Af Maay speakers ?
@Young Popeye ,
Do you know if Kh sound was used in original Oromo and other Cushitic languages ? Are there Cushitic language from which these sounds are absent ?
@Grant , how about Af Maay and other minority languages in the South ?
# Suugo linguistics.
No kh.
https://www.pdx.edu/multicultural-topics-communication-sciences-disorders/maay-maay-somali-bantu
The Af Maay Dialect
Af Maay uses the Roman alphabet with minor modifications to accommodate unique pronunciations. Since it has only recently been codified, the written language is very much a work in progress, with variations quite common. Like Af Maxaa, the Af Maay grammar is not well documented although the use of proper grammar is very important in both.
Af Maay consists of 24 consonants and five vowels:
Consonants: b p t j jh d th r s sh dh g gh f q k l m n ng ny w h y
Vowels: a e i o u, pronounced aa ee ii oo uu
It is necessary to bear in mind that, unlike the Af Maxaa language, Af Maay has no pharyngeal or glottal sound such as ha (xa) and 'a (ca). In the Af Maay alphabet, only consonants such as 'r' and 'l' are doubled within some words (e.g., arring, 'matter,' illing, 'kernel').
The letters b, d, g and n are pronounced more distinctly by pronouncing them with more force when they are not at the beginning of a word. However, they are not doubled (i.e bb, dd, gg, and nn) within a word as is common in Af Maxaa. Instead, the letters p, th, gh and ng respectively are used in their place when emphasis is required. These sounds are unique to Af-Maay. There are no letters to represent these distinct sounds in Af Maxaa. Note how the following words are pronounced.
- Barbaar 'youth'Heped 'chest'
- Derdaar 'advice'
- Mathal 'appointment'
- Legding 'wrestling'
- Saghaal 'nine'
- Tinaar 'oven'
- Ungbeer 'dress'
P always occurs in the middle of the word and it sounds similar to the 'p' in the English alphabet (e.g., apaal, 'gratitude'; hopoog, 'scarf').
Jh is guttural and sounds like j (e.g., jheer, 'shyness'; jhab, 'fracture').
Th is pronounced as in 'the' in English (e.g., mathal, 'appointment'; etheb, 'politeness').
Gh sounds like the letter 'gain' of the Arabic alphabet (e.g., dhaghar, 'deceive'; shughul, job').
Ng is similar to the sound of 'ing' in English (e.g., angkaar, 'curse'; oong, 'thirst').
Ieh is a common ending on nouns and verbs. However, the letter 'y' is commonly used among Af Maay writers to represent this sound.
- Maghy 'Noun'Misgy 'Sorghum'
- Maaycy 'Ocean'
- Jyny 'Heaven'
- Shyny 'Bee'
- Myfathaaw 'I do not want it'
- Ycaaycuur 'cat'Maaycy 'ocean'
- Ycuuycy 'name of a person'
- Ycisaang 'the youngest'
- Myyceeg 'feeble'
Stop begging. Somali literally sounds nothing like semitic. Only ignrant cadaans think it sounds like arabic. English has more french/latin loanwords than Somali has arabic. Our language is very Cushitic, probably the most pure.
Apollo
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The KH sounds is what made Dutch and German so ugly to most people. It uglifies a language.
Beautiful languages like Italian lack it.
Khasab/Qasab is from arabic غصب from which اغتصاب = rape is derived
This is what most europeans think
Apollo
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This is what most europeans think
The whole world..
I think some sounds are universally disliked, KH being one of them.
Those Chinese/Vietnamese tonal sounds are also quite bad.
Waxwaalan
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i see many use q instead of kh. but kh sounds more close to how i pronounce words like akhas, khanis, khatar.
Its not in oromo, i dont know about the other cushitic languages
What do they mean in english?
xisaabiye
Ibnu Suxuufi Ibnu Al Dhoobe
bakhti= dead body/ or to turn off)
markhaati = witness
khuuro= snoring
I'm certain these three are authentic somali and contain the KH letters
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