Is PSF Now Part Of SNA?

[The Oponian Guild]

The SNA will be in every region with people from that region to never have a repeat of the dictatorships atrocoties. Saying no matter what the SNA will not be in PL means also no SNA in any other region. If that’s the case what's the point with Somalia? It will continue looking like it does now, not being able to defend its borders. UAE making deals with whoever they want and xabashi to continue bullying us.

But the Puntmaxxing bros want that. They want to see the end of Somalia to have their clan fiefdom like SL.

Ar bal ilahay amarkiisa badana, How many times do I have to repeat myself, no need for SNA nor a want for SNA because PL is self sufficient in that regards. And no there will be no SNA from xamar or led by Ahl Al xamar in our state. @Avalanche doesn’t understand that PL pursues a police of one somalia but absolute autonomy. And this position is unique to and reserved for PL only.

reason being PL created this Frankenstein disjointed mess of a government in the first place for you guys. A big mistake I’d argue but hey it wasn’t up to me. Without PL you become a Liberia.

 

[RiceMuncher]

United States military is not in every state sxb, regardless of what region soldiers come from. They each have a guard for their state that is under the command of the elected governor for the same reason you mention, avoiding dictators. If the dictator pays the salaries they are under his control regardless of region. That’s how the Somali SNA under kacaan worked and they slaughtered people everywhere and were made up of all Somalis. Can’t be allowed to happen again and won’t be allowed.

You mean SAMS, Anti aircraft systems and nuclear weapons are under governors control? Broski I honestly don't care what agreement we reach, as long we can defend our borders and don't get bullied by xabashi. That's the only thing that matters, even better if we have safeguards against a rogue president.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

You mean SAMS, Anti aircraft systems and nuclear weapons are under governors control? Broski I honestly don't care what agreement we reach, as long we can defend our borders and don't get bullied by xabashi. That's the only thing that matters, even better if we have safeguards against a rogue president.

The SNA should ideally be stationed in border regions like waqooyi and south west, the stretch between eastern waqooyi all the way down to the shabeele can be managed and patrolled by local state forces since there are fewer points of entry and the population on both sides of the border is reer miyi and related through clan ties.

IN AN IDEAL WORLD, there still wouldn’t be any need for SNA troops in these regions, so it begs the question, what’s the agenda here?

 

[RiceMuncher]

The SNA should ideally be stationed in border regions like waqooyi and south west, the stretch between eastern waqooyi all the way down to the shabeele can be managed and patrolled by local state forces since there are fewer points of entry and the population on both sides of the border is reer miyi and related through clan ties.

IN AN IDEAL WORLD, there still wouldn’t be any need for SNA troops in these regions, so it begs the question, what’s the agenda here?

I like this point of having SNA bases in strategic border towns, while local forces manage their affairs.

The agenda is to be a real country, and not only in name like today. You can't call yourself a country if you don't have authority over your territory. Today xabashi comes in Gedo, Bakool, Hiiraan as they wish. These are things that should've been taken care of long time ago. There's been 3 presidents since the transitional phase and yet we're still debating what kind of SNA we should have, shameful.

 

[Abdisamad]

Brother @Avalanche I agree SNA should be in every corner of the Somali nation, a country without a proper army is not a country..I look forward to the day we dominate over Ethiopia..

 

[Avalanche]

Brother @Avalanche I agree SNA should be in every corner of the Somali nation, a country without a proper army is not a country..I look forward to the day we dominate over Ethiopia..

They don't realize that an army can still consist of several units. But the most important thing above all is that it is a national army

 

[Abdisamad]

They don't realize that an army can still consist of several units. But the most important thing above all is that it is a national army

An all inclusive strong national army would be great.. The federal states can have a federal police to take care of the internal stuff while the national army would be responsible for the security of the whole country..

 

[Jungle]

I understand why some reer pl do not want the national army. The SNA arms and pays the wages of soldiers from Mudug to Jubbada Hoose.

 

[FBIsomalia]

I like this point of having SNA bases in strategic border towns, while local forces manage their affairs.

The agenda is to be a real country, and not only in name like today. You can't call yourself a country if you don't have authority over your territory. Today xabashi comes in Gedo, Bakool, Hiiraan as they wish. These are things that should've been taken care of long time ago. There's been 3 presidents since the transitional phase and yet we're still debating what kind of SNA we should have, shameful.

Again those areas need SNA, Puntland doesnt want it, we will not going back to pre 91, period!.

 

[Pastoralist]

Bro these are funny and delusional. It's like they live in a parallel world from reality.

It’s something non negotiable, every region will eventually have 15-20k SNA in it each inshallah.

once the navy and airforce. is formed all states in open rebellion will face an economic blockade

 

[FBIsomalia]

It’s something non negotiable, every region will eventually have 15-20k SNA in it each inshallah.

once the navy and airforce. is formed all states in open rebellion will face an economic blockade

Kacaan try it and we saw result, we are not ready to go back that road!.

 

[Pastoralist]

Kacaan try it and we saw result, we are not ready to go back that road!.

PL as an autonomous state within a much more financially able country cannot last in attrition against FGS, especially once resource projects begin. PL is the most important state diplomatically as they curry favour with the US just like FGS. However diyaano is a CIA underling who’s now on Hassan’s side, that’s bad news for PL.


Hassan isn’t as dumb as we thought, he learned from farmaajo that there’s no satisfying PL or JL after he revised the election for them in 2020 and they still refused. He has a special dislike for PL, not sure what that’s about, but he’s determined to bring PL under the FGS, which is ok if it unites the country. Even if PL goes ictiraaf route, these countries just play with the idea and don’t act, so it’s a lost cause. So if Hassan wins next election, everyone might aswell join him, he’ll be approaching MSB as longest reigning Somali president.

 

[Pastoralist]

I understand why some reer pl do not want the national army. The SNA arms and pays the wages of soldiers from Mudug to Jubbada Hoose.

Regardless it needs to happen, they’d be losing control which is what they fear. Two states cannot hold 3 back, Somali is not a democracy yet, tired of these fiefdoms denying basic things like 1p1v, petroleum law, IMF finance laws, and SNA. It’s just them refusing to become a country.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

I like this point of having SNA bases in strategic border towns, while local forces manage their affairs.

The agenda is to be a real country, and not only in name like today. You can't call yourself a country if you don't have authority over your territory. Today xabashi comes in Gedo, Bakool, Hiiraan as they wish. These are things that should've been taken care of long time ago. There's been 3 presidents since the transitional phase and yet we're still debating what kind of SNA we should have, shameful.

PL is a country within a country, we are the free north with peace and prosperity and you guys are the django qaraxdisho yes massa no massa south, pure jungle politics and monkey business.

PL is part of Somalia the country so there’s no issue in regards to sovereignty. A strong SNA is beneficial for the people down south and in waqooyi. That’s about it. The rest of the country can hold its own.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

I like this point of having SNA bases in strategic border towns, while local forces manage their affairs.

The agenda is to be a real country, and not only in name like today. You can't call yourself a country if you don't have authority over your territory. Today xabashi comes in Gedo, Bakool, Hiiraan as they wish. These are things that should've been taken care of long time ago. There's been 3 presidents since the transitional phase and yet we're still debating what kind of SNA we should have, shameful.

Yeah but I’m not from Gedo, Bakool or Hiiraan, sounds like you should be focused on them rather than us, PL don’t host any amisom or Ethiopian troops.

 

[Malsi]

Riyo maalmeed.

 

[TheLand]

Yeah but I’m not from Gedo, Bakool or Hiiraan, sounds like you should be focused on them rather than us, PL don’t host any amisom or Ethiopian troops.

These niggas love to put the cart before the horse. They need SNA to prevent little madoweyne and eelay khawaarij kids from coming to their tuulos to teach their garoobo and their gashanti in different ‘dugsi’ at night where their men aren’t allowed. Literally every town that was emancipated from shabab they found boxes of viagra and condoms. Abdirahman Abdishakur brought it up last year and complained that while they found that stuff, PL was holding its football cup. Yet these clowns want to talk about SNA being brought by force to a land where terrorists can’t treat the local women like stars.

 

[Pastoralist]

PSF might not bet SNA (yet) but danab will be, and a PL will probably be one of the locations for new bases which US plan on.

Some people are saying “we can have our own military we don’t need SNA”. The issue with PL having its own national army is that it can easily weigh into geopolitical situations like we saw in 2006. While Somalis were getting killed by gaal some PL folks were thinking “it had to be done”. In this situation would a puntland military just stand by and watch? Somalia needs a unified national army otherwise brother will be turned against brother if FMS’s like PL have different views from FGS regarding unity, sovereignty, and territorial integrity. This is non debatable.5 bases

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Great news. All state militias should be dissolved, PL should not have their own army and should be ran federally. just like @Aseer said SNA should be all over this country, at most each state in the future should have its own national guard, with minor autonomy but still ultimately reports to the national government, before u mention US thats what they do.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

I like this point of having SNA bases in strategic border towns, while local forces manage their affairs.

The agenda is to be a real country, and not only in name like today. You can't call yourself a country if you don't have authority over your territory. Today xabashi comes in Gedo, Bakool, Hiiraan as they wish. These are things that should've been taken care of long time ago. There's been 3 presidents since the transitional phase and yet we're still debating what kind of SNA we should have, shameful.

there should be no local forces that are entirely seperate and dont coordinate with the national government. That just gives oppurtunities for rebel militias that go against the government. The world is not perfect and every proper country follows this way.

The SNA should ideally be stationed in border regions like waqooyi and south west, the stretch between eastern waqooyi all the way down to the shabeele can be managed and patrolled by local state forces since there are fewer points of entry and the population on both sides of the border is reer miyi and related through clan ties.

IN AN IDEAL WORLD, there still wouldn’t be any need for SNA troops in these regions, so it begs the question, what’s the agenda here?

recipe for disaster

You mean SAMS, Anti aircraft systems and nuclear weapons are under governors control? Broski I honestly don't care what agreement we reach, as long we can defend our borders and don't get bullied by xabashi. That's the only thing that matters, even better if we have safeguards against a rogue president.

those safeguards your implying will devolve into military dictatorship if you think about it