Is The Adal Sultan Abu Bakr Ibn Muhammad A Somali Or A Harari

[oogabooga]

Imam ahmed is ahmed gurey, heres evidence in the futuh al habasha that he was left handed View attachment 325633

 

[oogabooga]

Do you believe amir nur is somali

No, in fact Marehan claiming him just proves my point that Marehan’s etymology is the Harari word “maraxa.” Someone here said Marehan is the only non-Somali name among the Darod clans, here is your explaination.

 

[Three Moons]

@oogabooga a text-comparison software gives me a 150% overlap between you and HabarSteven.

Oogabooga kulaha.

 

[oogabooga]

@oogabooga a text-comparison software gives me a 150% overlap between you and HabarSteven.

Oogabooga kulaha.

Who is HabarSteven?

 

[Step a side]

Not really man, don’t forget that Harla clan names, people, and places were mentioned in Futuh. I, a speaker of the Harari language, understand what they mean. For example, the location where the army of Imam Ahmed crossed the Awash was called Dir. Dir means “plain” in the Harari language. When you say something is in plain sight, you would say “Dirre be hal.”
I could go on and on with Harla names that were mentioned and I can explain it to you. Like how Awash and Abbay Rivers are connected.
Somalis do not have a linguistic connection to Harla, contrary to popular belief. “Af Harlaad” is just Somali language with a few letters flipped around, while they can’t tell me what any name of Harla means. Enrico Cerulli did a good job setting up studies in the Horn, but it was rudimentary. There are more advanced studies that is challenging some of his works.
It is totally possible for Imam Ahmed being Harla to settle disputes. If you read Futuh, in the beginning Imam Ahmed’s core was agriculturalists that fought against the Sultan and his Somali power base. He beat the Sultan with his Harla agricultural power base like Abu Bakr Qacchin, and with his already existing ties with other friendly Somali tribes (like his in-law Garad Matan) he clamped down on any Somali opposition. Isn’t that why he went to invade Somalis before he went to Abysinnia? He wasn’t a wimp and took his strong power base and invaded their settlements near the sea. He didn’t have to be Somali to do that.

Harari manuscripts describe the situation after Imam Ahmed, with Amir Nur’s actions towards aiding the Harla refugees and telling the other cities to copy the results of Harar, from hundreds of our villages being sacked by the ongoing Oromo onslaught, Amir Nur taking his troops to invade Abysinnia again and abandoning them in modern day Silte land. The tragic defeat of the Battle of Hazalo (Azalo means “they climbed”, it’s a mountain). The power struggles in Harar after Amir Nur’s death. The elite moving their capital to Awsa after failed leadership struggles. That’s why Afar claim they are Harla. In the Afar chronicles family tree, Harari names like Dus are present. Harari manuscripts are very helpful in understanding the period.

Did you just decipher the meaning of the name Dir with the Harari language? Dir is literally a 1500 year old ancient tribe confirmed on Yfull


You keep mentioning “Harla” and “agriculturalist” yet the biggest agricultural town near Harar is Baabili. You’re literally surrounded by Somalis and Oromo and Oromised Somali farmers all over that tiny walled city of you. You keep making linguistic connections to Harla yet you speak a sister language of Amharic refined with just added Islamic terminologies.


Don’t you dare claim Abu Bakr. You got nothing to do with Hobat. Hobat is an old Somali kingdom. Abu bakr is a big character in futuh. Its emir Abu Bakr of Hobat son of Gasa Omar. He literally carried Al Hawiye in the original Arabic translation of Futuh in which Pankhurst intentionally replaced it with Hobat.

Fake Pankhurst Translation:

Original Arabic:

Fake Pankhurst Translation:

Original Arabic:

Afar chronicles states that there was already a group of Harla before Gasa’s family arrived with even more Harla. Gasa was governor of Bale before. They farm there extensively incase you didint know.

 

[killerxsmoke]

Who is HabarSteven?

When ever a somali history is mentioned he will just show up and say those are arab not somalis

 

[Yami]

Not really man, don’t forget that Harla clan names, people, and places were mentioned in Futuh. I, a speaker of the Harari language, understand what they mean. For example, the location where the army of Imam Ahmed crossed the Awash was called Dir. Dir means “plain” in the Harari language. When you say something is in plain sight, you would say “Dirre be hal.”
I could go on and on with Harla names that were mentioned and I can explain it to you. Like how Awash and Abbay Rivers are connected.
Somalis do not have a linguistic connection to Harla, contrary to popular belief. “Af Harlaad” is just Somali language with a few letters flipped around, while they can’t tell me what any name of Harla means. Enrico Cerulli did a good job setting up studies in the Horn, but it was rudimentary. There are more advanced studies that is challenging some of his works.
It is totally possible for Imam Ahmed being Harla to settle disputes. If you read Futuh, in the beginning Imam Ahmed’s core was agriculturalists that fought against the Sultan and his Somali power base. He beat the Sultan with his Harla agricultural power base like Abu Bakr Qacchin, and with his already existing ties with other friendly Somali tribes (like his in-law Garad Matan) he clamped down on any Somali opposition. Isn’t that why he went to invade Somalis before he went to Abysinnia? He wasn’t a wimp and took his strong power base and invaded their settlements near the sea. He didn’t have to be Somali to do that.

Harari manuscripts describe the situation after Imam Ahmed, with Amir Nur’s actions towards aiding the Harla refugees and telling the other cities to copy the results of Harar, from hundreds of our villages being sacked by the ongoing Oromo onslaught, Amir Nur taking his troops to invade Abysinnia again and abandoning them in modern day Silte land. The tragic defeat of the Battle of Hazalo (Azalo means “they climbed”, it’s a mountain). The power struggles in Harar after Amir Nur’s death. The elite moving their capital to Awsa after failed leadership struggles. That’s why Afar claim they are Harla. In the Afar chronicles family tree, Harari names like Dus are present. Harari manuscripts are very helpful in understanding the period.

 

[Step a side]

@oogabooga a text-comparison software gives me a 150% overlap between you and HabarSteven.

Oogabooga kulaha.

He is not Habarsteven. He is a well known Harari from twitter. I don’t mind him claiming Adal as a fellow Muslim but to go as far as separating Somalis from Harla and Adal is a no no.

 

[killerxsmoke]

@oogabooga just because somali tribe came to meet ahmed gurey doesnt mean he isnt somali

 

[Yami]

Did you just decipher the meaning of the name Dir with the Harari language? Dir is literally a 1500 year old ancient tribe confirmed on Yfull


You keep mentioning “Harla” and “agriculturalist” yet the biggest agricultural town near Harar is Baabili. You’re literally surrounded by Somalis and Oromo and Oromised Somali farmers all over that tiny walled city of you. You keep making linguistic connections to Harla yet you speak a sister language of Amharic refined with just added Islamic terminologies.


Don’t you dare claim Abu Bakr. You got nothing to do with Hobat. Hobat is an old Somali kingdom. Abu bakr is a big character in futuh. Its emir Abu Bakr of Hobat son of Gasa Omar. He literally carried Al Hawiye in the original Arabic translation of Futuh in which Pankhurst intentionally replaced it with Hobat.

Fake Pankhurst Translation:

Original Arabic:

Fake Pankhurst Translation:

Original Arabic:

Afar chronicles states that there was already a group of Harla before Gasa’s family arrived with even more Harla. Gasa was governor of Bale before. They farm there extensively incase you didint know.

Recent Harari FKD thread drop on Twitter


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781655136508444718.html

 

[Step a side]

@oogabooga just because somali tribe came to meet ahmed gurey doesnt mean he isnt somali

Don’t worry about Hoteps online. This is 11th grade Ethiopian school text book on Gurey taught to millions of students. Humble Samaroon brother who grew up in Ethiopia and loves history confirmed it.

We all know the communities who live and farm from Harar to Baabili and it’s definitely not Harari

 

[Step a side]

Recent Harari FKD thread drop on Twitter


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781655136508444718.html

Is it still going on? How can I join and reply?

 

[Yami]

Is it still going on? How can I join and reply?

It’s done for now until the Habesha nigga responds

 

[oogabooga]

Did you just decipher the meaning of the name Dir with the Harari language? Dir is literally a 1500 year old ancient tribe confirmed on Yfull


You keep mentioning “Harla” and “agriculturalist” yet the biggest agricultural town near Harar is Baabili. You’re literally surrounded by Somalis and Oromo and Oromised Somali farmers all over that tiny walled city of you. You keep making linguistic connections to Harla yet you speak a sister language of Amharic refined with just added Islamic terminologies.


Don’t you dare claim Abu Bakr. You got nothing to do with Hobat. Hobat is an old Somali kingdom. Abu bakr is a big character in futuh. Its emir Abu Bakr of Hobat son of Gasa Omar. He literally carried Al Hawiye in the original Arabic translation of Futuh in which Pankhurst intentionally replaced it with Hobat.

Fake Pankhurst Translation:

Original Arabic:

Fake Pankhurst Translation:

Original Arabic:

Afar chronicles states that there was already a group of Harla before Gasa’s family arrived with even more Harla. Gasa was governor of Bale before. They farm there extensively incase you didint know.

bud didn’t even address a single thing I said. Ima talk with people who know what a discussion is.

 

[Laser]

Thank you walaal in hindsight it was obvious I thought it was 'Baad' but I didn't see the 'Laay' lol

Do you have etymologies for any of the other names

Oh is he the one with the umbrella decorated with the winged serpents?

Yeah it was him, many names got distorted when translating to English like del wambara (it's not pronounced like that)

 

[Laser]

You know in the Harari language Badlay literally means “upper land/country.” It’s more befitting for him to be called Sultan Badlay because he literally conquered the Ethiopian highland.

In the figurative sense, it means he is above all the lands (aka he dominates).

 

[oogabooga]

Recent Harari FKD thread drop on Twitter


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781655136508444718.html

The thread has the sources but doesn’t coherently string facts together. For example, yes the old Harari name for Somali was Timur, but that doesn’t mean the Tumaal. The Harari word for that is “tumtu.” Yes there were Somalis in Harar doing handiwork and dominated the tumtu, but it isn’t the same as one ethnicity.
The reason why the Futuh says “Sultan and his Somalis” is because they were his power base. No one is denying Somalis weren’t existent in Adal, in fact they were important in political power plays. It doesn’t mean Harla are Somalis.
The thread also says “since Garad is a Somali word, it has to mean Harla were Somali.” First of all, it’s not even certain if Garad is a Harari/Somali loanword. And his explanation is that Gar is “justice” in Af Somali, while Gar is “house” in the Harari language. Now tell me, which makes more sense regarding tribes?
Dude is trying to connect Hararis to Gurages without explaining it properly. Firstly, the reason why there is a Sidamic substratum in Harar is because we use to own slaves. My mom knew her family’s slaves. Harar used to trade slaves. Where do the slaves come from? Secondly, his whole connection of Hararis to East Gurages is out of wack. Siltes/Wolanes and Hararis are tied by the expeditions of Amir Nur into Abysinnia and he left most of his army there when he heard Harar was sacked. He never came back for them and the Hararis there intermarried. Even before that, where was the Hadiya Sultanate? In those same lands. Even the Arsi Oromo mention Adere forefathers. The Christian Zway also share a similar language. This suggests that there was a contingent ethnic group from Hararghe to Hadiya. The Oromo migrations cut off that connection, just search up Battle of Hazalo.
The “migrations of Amhara” into Harar is mostly BS. How can Habeshas from across the Awash cross the Oromo territories and seek refuge in Harar? Make it make sense. It was mostly countryside Harari farmers who came into the towns of the different provinces of the Adal country. In Harari manuscripts, it shows that Amir Nur told the capital cities of each province to build walls and dig trenches like Harar to survive. They fell and Harar is the only remnant.

 

[oogabooga]

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Bruh is this your means of discussion or are you breathing copium?

 

[Laser]

Bruh is this your means of discussion or are you breathing copium?

Why would anyone's nickname/title be upper land/country? You overcooked the suugo science bro + if you're implying he's was an ethio-semitic speaker then your own argument humiliats your point. If we say that he got his title (badlay=upperlands/country) by conquering the highlands as you said then he must've been a lowlander himself (meaning a somali speaker) because it won't make sense otherwise.

So yeah my etymology and @Three Moons alternatives make way more sense then your suugo science.

 

[ina-cilmi]

No, in fact Marehan claiming him just proves my point that Marehan’s etymology is the Harari word “maraxa.” Someone here said Marehan is the only non-Somali name among the Darod clans, here is your explaination.

wait so you even think Nur ibn mujahid wasnt somali?