Italian colonialism set us back

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More money was spent on the military than on education.
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Somalis maintained their economic self-sufficiency, colonial settlers were dependent on imports.
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Somalis were not allowed to form trade unions
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Somalis went out of their way to help fellow somalis when they were not restricted from doing so
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British somaliland was not much better
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Anyway I better never hear somalis or any other people imply that we benefited from colonial rule. They impoverished us when they restricted us from trading, destroyed many of our cities and massacred our people. That is their legacy. None of that equals good governance.
 
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More money was spent on the military than on education.
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Somalis maintained their economic self-sufficiency, colonial settlers were dependent on imports.
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Somalis were not allowed to form trade unions
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Somalis went out of their way to help fellow somalis when they were not restricted from doing so
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British somaliland was not much better
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Wow I didn't realize they restricted our ability to sell goods and trade. I also had thought one of the reasons somali scripts hadn't taken off was because of clanism. But just reading this it really looks like they went to great lengths to keep us from developing. I can't imagine how much we must have went backwards in the first half of the 20th century if this is what was happening across somalia. Especially when you combine this with the somalk massacre in harar and all the raids by Ethiopians.

The contrast is really stark, especially when you read about how the British sponsored and financed the development of hausa and swahili publishing in the early 20th century. They were the ones to standardize it and hold competitions to find the best stories and publish them.
 
brits didnt really bother sl as much at the time it wasnt where most of the activity in somalia was happening
That's not really true . They didn't go into the interior much. But they banned somalia from importing weapons and they basically took control over coastal trade in the north.

I suspect they also limited a lot of stuff from being imported into somalia besides guns. Since I've always found it strange why we never developed a printing press in the early 20th century.
 
It's kind of crazy to think they spent 200 million italian lira on military expenditure. I just looked up how much that would be worth in today's euros and it's about 200 million euros which is like 300 million dollars.
 
Yes Italians basically brought nothing of value to Somalia in the long run. Even the few things they did built that could have been useful down the line like Hafun's salt factory and Jowhar's railway system was dismantled by the British during WW2. What is even worse is that the Italy was planning on transforming Somalia into a settler colony like they were doing with Libya. Its beyond me how any Somali would think colonialism was beneficial.

The British were similar but after WW2 at least they backed the SYL and support Greater Somalia with Ernest Bevin.
 
Hargeisa was a tuulo when Britian left, Italy built roads, railways, and a better city. People who say Italy brought no value are copers. Btw I am not endorsing colonization just be honest about shit.
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Hargeisa was a tuulo when Britian left, Italy built roads, railways, and a better city. People who say Italy brought no value are copers. Btw I am not endorsing colonization just be honest about shit.
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At most you can attribute a few buildings in the city to them (arc de triumph, catholic church etc), few roads and the railways was dismantled by the brits and it didn’t even cover all of italian somaliland. But the city as we knew it pre-civilwar was expanded and rebuilt after the italians left..

@Idilinaa went into detail about this here: https://www.somalispot.com/posts/4257570/
 
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Hargeisa was a tuulo when Britian left, Italy built roads, railways, and a better city. People who say Italy brought no value are copers. Btw I am not endorsing colonization just be honest about shit.
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Wait 💀 I just checked the thread I linked to and in there YOU yourself are saying Mogadishu was made into the city it was by somalis (the kacaan). Why are you deliberately spreading misinformation on here?
 
Wait 💀 I just checked the thread I posted and in there YOU yourself are saying Mogadishu was made into the city it was by somalis (the kacaan). Why are you deliberately spreading misinformation on here?
i’m convinced he’s trolling, claiming that Arabs & Italians built Mogadishu, he was even claiming in another thread Somalis don’t do farming, it’s like he gets a kick out of spreading misinformation.
 

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British colonies generally perform so much better economically from Hong Kong to Canada to Kenya you will see this trend

Spanish colonies like Brazil will never live up to there full potential would advise you folks to The book why nations fail
 
Hargeisa was a tuulo when Britian left, Italy built roads, railways, and a better city. People who say Italy brought no value are copers. Btw I am not endorsing colonization just be honest about shit.
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Hargeisa originally started as a small agricultural settlement in the mid-to-late 1800s and gradually grew into a city later on.

Hargeisa year 1960.
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Mogadishu, by contrast, was already a fully functioning, bustling commercial city long before the Italians even arrived. They didn’t "build" Mogadishu they just inherited an already thriving urban center.
This how Mogadishu looked like before the Italians and it was not a shithole: It had mosques, multi storied whitewashed dwellings, storage facilities, madrassas, work shops and forts, and a wall with 5 gates surrounding it.
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Many of these buildings and some historic districts were actually bulldozed by the Italians themselves against the wishes of locals.

When it comes to infrastructure or roads etc, the Italians didn't develop it either. They didn't expand the city or modernize it in any meaningful way. What they mostly did was plant a big decorative gate in the middle of the old city center, build a single church squeezed between centuries-old mosques and historic Somali buildings, and put up a lighthouse at the coast.

Italians inherited two quarters, these quarters already existed prior to them, so they didn't build anything important, or expand the city, other than one road for banana export and like a church, lighthouse or a gate in the middle of city, next to historic mosques and towers that are centuries old to the point it overshadows it.

The city map under the Italians: Showing Shingani and Hamarweyne,
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This is a description of Mogadishu and coastal towns under the Italians. It was not clean nor aesthetic. Somalis complained because the didn't allow us to the develop or improve it
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When Somalis regained control after independence, Mogadishu rapidly expanded, growing from just 2 historic districts into 14 brand-new quarters built by Somalis themselves.
What built the city was actually the two Somali governments that came after . The Kacaan government cleaned most of the area,
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They expanded the city into many new districts and started to clean it up. They built new landmarks, monuments, villas , housing, hotels, mosques, theaters, stadiums, streets ,roads and they planted trees, gardens etc

City map under Kacaan government: The government even repaired old districts that the Italians bulldozed.
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As for the so-called "railway" the Italians built, it wasn’t for public development , it was a short line designed purely to extract and export bananas. It didn’t serve the local population at all and was dismantled and destroyed during the British occupation.

I can't really emphasize what i said before:
I don't think there is any worse than colonial propaganda, they destroy things and make life worse. But then take credit for bringing civilization. Dad walaan.
 
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There was a very deliberate reason behind why they inflicted economic devastation on Somalis and did everything possible to prevent Somali advancement.

First, as you pointed out, Somalis were a self-sufficient and commercially organized society. Colonial powers sought to crush this independence by dismantling Somali industries and blocking local economic growth, deliberately creating dependency.

Second, Somalia was experiencing a major economic revival in the 1800s, driven by domestic trade, industry, and expanding commercial networks. The colonial aim was to destroy this momentum to weaken resistance.

Many Somali merchants were forced to move abroad to establish their companies and factories, because at home, they were blocked from ownership, licensing, and industrial growth.

It wasn't just the economy they targeted , they dismantled Somalia’s educational system as well. Literacy in the Arabic script was widespread before colonization. Somali intellectuals had established vibrant madrassas, book publishing centers, and trade routes that spread scholarship and Islamic learning.

The British seized Somali publications, restricted book imports, and broke the networks between Somali scholars and the wider Islamic world. This systematically alienated Somalis from both Somali and Arabic learning traditions.

When you look at the Kacaan government's famous literacy campaign in the 1970s, what they recreated was not new it was a revival of what Somalis were already doing in the pre-colonial period: learned students and sheikhs traveling across the countryside, camp to camp, village to village, town to town, teaching Quranic studies, literacy, and spreading education.

Colonialism did not just 'fail' Somalia ,it actively sabotaged a self-sufficient, literate, economically organized society to impose dependency.
 
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