Land of Punt: the mysterious land

[Beja]

It is about quality and good name. Somali frankincense is the best in the world and uptill now it does not go to regular markets. It is sold directly to Vatican and used by Catholic Church in Europe. second customer is perfume markers in France.

I didn't know that however I was addressing the last part of his quote.

 

[Grant]

It is about quality and good name. Somali frankincense is the best in the world and uptill now it does not go to regular markets. It is sold directly to Vatican and used by Catholic Church in Europe. second customer is perfume markers in France.

This company sells Frankincense from Ethiopia, Somalia and Oman.

http://hojarifrankincense.com/

According to the Wiki article, 82% of World production is now from Somalia (The Sudan being sanctioned out.), but the best and most expensive is still Silver and Royal Hojari from Oman. The wealth of Ubar was based on Frankincense and control of the incense and silk road trade routes, and on the domestication of the camels that carried that trade. At the time, Somalia had no camels and no land route to markets. According to the Periplus, Somali produce was either transported to Yemen on rafts or small boats for incorporation into Himyarite cargoes, or was picked up by itinerate traders at Somali ports. The vast bulk of the early trade was through Yemen and Oman.

The Story of Frankincense | Middle East Institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankincense

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-05/news/mn-1192_1_lost-city

Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Sudan have the same frankincense tree. Why would Egyptians go to Punt for myrrh if they have the same plant in their own country? Obviously, Punt had a higher quality frankincense that the Egyptians loved. Somalia has 3 different types of frankincense trees. The best frankincense in Africa is found only in Somalia. Even the Greeks said that the frankincense in Somalia had a much better quality than other frankincenses. The Roman Catholic Churches buy their high-quality frankincense from Somalia, not from Eritrea or Ethiopia.

The pottery found by the British archaeologists in the Oponean tombs (Xaafun) was from 1500 BC. This proves that Somalia was actively trading in the time that Punt was still a civilization (Punt became mythological in the late dynasties). In the last page, I showed a link of a Roman scholar saying that an 11th Dynasty Pharaoh came to Mosylon (Bosaso). The baboons from Punt are from Eastern Somalia and the Eritrea-Ethiopia corridor which is not where the Gash people lived.

Please read this again:

"On the whole, it seems that the radius of action of the Gash Group covered a very wide area stretching from the White Nile to the Red Sea coast and the cliffs of the Ethiopian plateau (Fattovich, Sadr and Vitagliano 1988). Therefore, the present evidence suggests that in the late 3rd - early 2nd millennium B.C. Mahal Teglinos was a node in the commercial routes connecting the Middle Nile and the Gezira to the Red Sea coast and the Ethiopian highlands. To this commercial activity we can relate most likely the occurrence of donkey remains in the levels I - II at Mahal Teglinos."

 

[Canuck]

This company sells Frankincense from Ethiopia, Somalia and Oman.

http://hojarifrankincense.com/

According to the Wiki article, 82% of World production is now from Somalia (The Sudan being sanctioned out.), but the best and most expensive is still Silver and Royal Hojari from Oman. The wealth of Ubar was based on Frankincense and control of the incense and silk road trade routes, and on the domestication of the camels that carried that trade. At the time, Somalia had no camels and no land route to markets. According to the Periplus, Somali produce was either transported to Yemen on rafts or small boats for incorporation into Himyarite cargoes, or was picked up by itinerate traders at Somali ports. The vast bulk of the early trade was through Yemen and Oman.

The Story of Frankincense | Middle East Institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankincense

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-05/news/mn-1192_1_lost-city



Please read this again:

"On the whole, it seems that the radius of action of the Gash Group covered a very wide area stretching from the White Nile to the Red Sea coast and the cliffs of the Ethiopian plateau (Fattovich, Sadr and Vitagliano 1988). Therefore, the present evidence suggests that in the late 3rd - early 2nd millennium B.C. Mahal Teglinos was a node in the commercial routes connecting the Middle Nile and the Gezira to the Red Sea coast and the Ethiopian highlands. To this commercial activity we can relate most likely the occurrence of donkey remains in the levels I - II at Mahal Teglinos."

The Omani Frankincense is growing in Somali darood region. they grow the trees and control the trade there. It is all Somali trade.

 

[Menelik III]

This company sells Frankincense from Ethiopia, Somalia and Oman.

http://hojarifrankincense.com/

According to the Wiki article, 82% of World production is now from Somalia (The Sudan being sanctioned out.), but the best and most expensive is still Silver and Royal Hojari from Oman. The wealth of Ubar was based on Frankincense and control of the incense and silk road trade routes, and on the domestication of the camels that carried that trade. At the time, Somalia had no camels and no land route to markets. According to the Periplus, Somali produce was either transported to Yemen on rafts or small boats for incorporation into Himyarite cargoes, or was picked up by itinerate traders at Somali ports. The vast bulk of the early trade was through Yemen and Oman.

The Story of Frankincense | Middle East Institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankincense

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-05/news/mn-1192_1_lost-city



Please read this again:

"On the whole, it seems that the radius of action of the Gash Group covered a very wide area stretching from the White Nile to the Red Sea coast and the cliffs of the Ethiopian plateau (Fattovich, Sadr and Vitagliano 1988). Therefore, the present evidence suggests that in the late 3rd - early 2nd millennium B.C. Mahal Teglinos was a node in the commercial routes connecting the Middle Nile and the Gezira to the Red Sea coast and the Ethiopian highlands. To this commercial activity we can relate most likely the occurrence of donkey remains in the levels I - II at Mahal Teglinos."

You can't argue with these mentally challenged people. It's blatantly obvious that the Gash group or ona culture are the remnants of pnt. The word habesha even originally meant a profession of frankincense gatherers and consisted of clans on both sides of the Red Sea. Inscriptions in Egypt also tell that pnt lyes on both sides of the sea.

It doesn't matter about who produces frankincense currently since it has nothing to do with productions during ancient times. Most of the frankincense in Ethiopia also gets used domestically.

 

[Prince Abubu]

You can't argue with these mentally challenged people. It's blatantly obvious that the Gash group or ona culture are the remnants of pnt. The word habesha even originally meant a profession of frankincense gatherers and consisted of clans on both sides of the Red Sea. Inscriptions in Egypt also tell that pnt lyes on both sides of the sea.

It doesn't matter about who produces frankincense currently since it has nothing to do with productions during ancient times. Most of the frankincense in Ethiopia also gets used domestically.

Dis nicca trying to claim Punt now?

You're people weren't even in Africa when Punt was around. Stop claiming Cushitic history.

 

[The Cushitic One]

Look at this guy trying to claim
The land of punt, it is present
Day Somalia.

 

[Warsan]

King Solomon and queen Sheba gave birth to menelik and he gave birth to the rest of habesha

He was born near 900BC

The land of punt ended during the 20th Egyptian dynasty which was from 1189BC-1077BC

So either your religion is meaningless and full of lies or religion is speaking the truth and you didn't rule punt.

So what's it gonna be qooti boy

 

[Menelik III]

Dis nicca trying to claim Punt now?

You're people weren't even in Africa when Punt was around. Stop claiming Cushitic history.

Ha now it's cushtic history, just admit that pnt is in the ethio-eri region or otherwise provide proof.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Ha now it's cushtic history, just admit that pnt is in the ethio-eri region or otherwise provide proof.

Buffoon, there was no such thing as Ethiopia or eritrea back then. In fact, "Ethiopia" is a name stolen from the ancient Greek name for Nubia/Northern Sudan. You're history began when Yemen midgets migrated from the Arabian peninsula in the first millennia BC. Even the, your kingdoms were restricted to only a tiny portion of the land you claim today.

 

[Menelik III]

Buffoon, there was no such thing as Ethiopia or eritrea back then. In fact, "Ethiopia" is a name stolen from the ancient Greek name for Nubia/Northern Sudan. You're history began when Yemen midgets migrated from the Arabian peninsula in the first millennia BC. Even the, your kingdoms were restricted to only a tiny portion of the land you claim today.

You're an emotional baboon like your name suggests.

Origins of ethio Semitic languages:

The Ge'ez language is classified as a South Semitic language. It evolved from an earlier proto-Ethio-Semitic ancestor used to write royalinscriptions of the kingdom of Dʿmt in Epigraphic South Arabian. The Ge'ez language is no longer universally thought of, as previously assumed, to be an offshoot of Sabaean or Old South Arabian,[16] and there is some linguistic (though not written) evidence of Semitic languages being spoken in Eritrea and Ethiopia since approximately 2000 BC.[17] However, the Ge'ez script later replaced Epigraphic South Arabian in the Kingdom of Aksum. Epigraphic South Arabian letters were used for a few inscriptions into the 8th century, though not any South Arabian language since Dʿmt. Early inscriptions in Ge'ez and Ge'ez script have been dated[18] to as early as the 5th century BC, and in a sort of proto-Ge'ez written in ESA since the 9th century BC. Ge'ez literature properly begins with the Christianization of Ethiopia (and the civilization of Axum) in the 4th century, during the reign of Ezana of Axum.[15]

Origins of Aksum:
Largely on the basis of Carlo Conti Rossini's theories and prolific work on Ethiopian history, Aksum was previously thought to have been founded by Sabaeans, who spoke a language from the Semitic branch of the Afro-Asiaticfamily. Evidence suggests that Semitic-speaking Aksumites and semiticized Agawpeoples, who originally spoke other Afro-Asiatic languages from the family's Cushitic branch, had already established an independent civilisation in the territory before the arrival of the Sabaeans.[8][a][12]

Scholars like Stuart Munro-Hay thus point to the existence of an older D'mt or Da'amot kingdom, which flourished in the area between the 10th and 5th centuries BC, prior to the proposed Sabaean migration of the 4th or 5th century BC. They also cite evidence indicating that the Sabaean settlers resided in the region for little more than a few decades.[8]Furthermore, Ge'ez, the ancient Semitic language of Eritrea and Ethiopia, is now known to have derived from Sabaean, and there is evidence of an Ethiopian Semitic-speaking presence in Eritrea and Ethiopia at least as early as 2000 BC.[8][13]

Sabaean influence is now thought to have been minor, limited to a few localities, and disappearing after a few decades, perhaps representing a trading or military colony in some sort of symbiosis or military alliance with the civilization of D'mt or some proto-Aksumite state.

Ethiopia experienced a language shift around 3000-5000bce with little to no migration from south Arabia. Unlike your primitive people we established civilization before Arabs and south Arabians.

Now get off my thread unless you're going to add anything of substance.

 

[Professor]

You're an emotional baboon like your name suggests.

Origins of ethio Semitic languages:

The Ge'ez language is classified as a South Semitic language. It evolved from an earlier proto-Ethio-Semitic ancestor used to write royalinscriptions of the kingdom of Dʿmt in Epigraphic South Arabian. The Ge'ez language is no longer universally thought of, as previously assumed, to be an offshoot of Sabaean or Old South Arabian,[16] and there is some linguistic (though not written) evidence of Semitic languages being spoken in Eritrea and Ethiopia since approximately 2000 BC.[17] However, the Ge'ez script later replaced Epigraphic South Arabian in the Kingdom of Aksum. Epigraphic South Arabian letters were used for a few inscriptions into the 8th century, though not any South Arabian language since Dʿmt. Early inscriptions in Ge'ez and Ge'ez script have been dated[18] to as early as the 5th century BC, and in a sort of proto-Ge'ez written in ESA since the 9th century BC. Ge'ez literature properly begins with the Christianization of Ethiopia (and the civilization of Axum) in the 4th century, during the reign of Ezana of Axum.[15]

Origins of Aksum:
Largely on the basis of Carlo Conti Rossini's theories and prolific work on Ethiopian history, Aksum was previously thought to have been founded by Sabaeans, who spoke a language from the Semitic branch of the Afro-Asiaticfamily. Evidence suggests that Semitic-speaking Aksumites and semiticized Agawpeoples, who originally spoke other Afro-Asiatic languages from the family's Cushitic branch, had already established an independent civilisation in the territory before the arrival of the Sabaeans.[8][a][12]

Scholars like Stuart Munro-Hay thus point to the existence of an older D'mt or Da'amot kingdom, which flourished in the area between the 10th and 5th centuries BC, prior to the proposed Sabaean migration of the 4th or 5th century BC. They also cite evidence indicating that the Sabaean settlers resided in the region for little more than a few decades.[8]Furthermore, Ge'ez, the ancient Semitic language of Eritrea and Ethiopia, is now known to have derived from Sabaean, and there is evidence of an Ethiopian Semitic-speaking presence in Eritrea and Ethiopia at least as early as 2000 BC.[8][13]

Sabaean influence is now thought to have been minor, limited to a few localities, and disappearing after a few decades, perhaps representing a trading or military colony in some sort of symbiosis or military alliance with the civilization of D'mt or some proto-Aksumite state.

Ethiopia experienced a language shift around 3000-5000bce with little to no migration from south Arabia. Unlike your primitive people we established civilization before Arabs and south Arabians.

Now get off my thread unless you're going to add anything of substance.

you really have an inferiority complex towards somalis. To come onto this site and chat shit about our history. A site made for somalis and lie, ur one funny guy. What next mogadishu was an ethiopian city. Then there is @Grant the white dude who does as much as he can to try to associate somalis as just being backward africans. WallahI this is what happens when our ancestors don't write our history down. A raw meat eating midget and a white pig changes it to fit their narrative. Remember menelik ur nothing more then an arab byproduct of rape, with ur little aksum which pales in comparison to kush and all the other great civilisation. Fucking pathetic that you feel that you have validate ur self by chatting shit on SOMALIspot when ur an little habesha slave.

 

[Grant]

you really have an inferiority complex towards somalis. To come onto this site and chat shit about our history. A site made for somalis and lie, ur one funny guy. What next mogadishu was an ethiopian city. Then there is @Grant the white dude who does as much as he can to try to associate somalis as just being backward africans. WallahI this is what happens when our ancestors don't write our history down. A raw meat eating midget and a white pig changes it to fit their narrative. Remember menelik ur nothing more then an arab byproduct of rape, with ur little aksum which pales in comparison to kush and all the other great civilisation. Fucking pathetic that you feel that you have validate ur self by chatting shit on SOMALIspot when ur an little habesha slave.

Professor;

You really should learn some history.

http://africaunlimited.com/blog/the-kingdoms-of-kush-axum/

"The kingdom of Kush , and its capital MEROE , would last for more than a thousand years. Eventually, however, (200 AD) they were overshadowed by the ancient Ethiopian kingdom based in the city of AXUM . In 400 AD, MEROE was attacked and destroyed. Just as the Egyptians had earlier migrated to Kush , now the Kushites themselves began a massive exodus that would ripple all the way out to the southern and western limits of the continent.

AXUM, KUSH’S successor, was situated in the Ethiopian highlands, not far from where the Red Sea empties out into the Gulf of Aden . The port city for AXUM was the Red Sea port of ADULIS . AXUM traded trinkets, wine, cloth and finished iron goods with the peoples of the interior for iron ore, hides, gold and enslaved Africans. These were shipped from the port of ADULIS and traded in Arabia , Persia , Constantinople and India ."

Axum destroyed Kush, beginning the largest of the Cushitic migrations up the Nile valley and into the Horn. Your ignorant insults are not appropriate for any history forum, regardless of its ethnic makeup. Ignorance of your own history does not necessarily mean others are ignorant of it. This is part of World History. Don't blame Menelik and me for what your ancestors didn't tell you!

 

[Professor]

@Grant
you really give me an bullshit afro-centric website to inform me of history. The dumb mother fucker in that article is talking about mythical bullshit like the ark of the covenant . Also west africans have nothing to do with ancient Egypt it is an Levantine/Mediterranean civilization. That bullshit has been completely debunked. if your trying to say somalis are connected to kush you are an idiot. The nubians and beja in Sudan are the most likely descendants of that civilisation. Kush is far older then a thousands years old and was for an considerable time under the control of Egypt. By the time Aksum destroyed, not succeeded, Kush it was coming to its end due to it's declining iron industry and economy. Furthermore with the resulting defeats to Rome it was already finished or dying when the Aksumites arrived.

The only civilisation that somalis are connected to is the land of punt. Why don't you read this site, a proper historical site with real validated claims.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.ancient.eu/amp/1-765/(sorry don't how to properly give you link, I am on my phone) not that bullshit website that has one shit book, fill with complete and utter shite.

 

[Grant]

@Grant
you really give me an bullshit afro-centric website to inform me of history. The dumb mother fucker in that article is talking about mythical bullshit like the ark of the covenant . Also west africans have nothing to do with ancient Egypt it is an Levantine/Mediterranean civilization. That bullshit has been completely debunked. if your trying to say somalis are connected to kush you are an idiot. The nubians and beja in Sudan are the most likely descendants of that civilisation. Kush is far older then a thousands years old and was for an considerable time under the control of Egypt. By the time Aksum destroyed, not succeeded, Kush it was coming to its end due to it's declining iron industry and economy. Furthermore with the resulting defeats to Rome it was already finished or dying when the Aksumites arrived.

The only civilisation that somalis are connected to is the land of punt. Why don't you read this site, a proper historical site with real validated claims.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.ancient.eu/amp/1-765/(sorry don't how to properly give you link, I am on my phone) not that bullshit website that has one shit book, fill with complete and utter shite.

Professor,

From your link:

"[The Egyptians] reached Punt by seagoing boat and found it a country very unlike their own. The representations of houses, animals, and plants suggest a location in northeast Africa along the Red Sea coast, possibly the region of modern Eritrea, although a locale farther inland has also been suggested (169)."

"The two best possibilities are Eretria and Somalia with Eretria so far gaining the most widespread acceptance."

The map doesn't even cover Somalia. It covers the Ethio-Semitic-settled areas of the North that are now rich in haplotype "T", not the E1b1b of the Cushitic Samaales. It also includes parts of Eritrea, the Sudan and Yemen.

Your link also does not include the recent archaeological finds for the Gash culture in the Sudan.

You are way out of your league, with all the evidence stacking up against you. Even your own, dated link, points to Eritrea. Just wait for the academics to incorporate the Gash material in their analyses.

 

[Menelik III]

Professor;

You really should learn some history.

http://africaunlimited.com/blog/the-kingdoms-of-kush-axum/

"The kingdom of Kush , and its capital MEROE , would last for more than a thousand years. Eventually, however, (200 AD) they were overshadowed by the ancient Ethiopian kingdom based in the city of AXUM . In 400 AD, MEROE was attacked and destroyed. Just as the Egyptians had earlier migrated to Kush , now the Kushites themselves began a massive exodus that would ripple all the way out to the southern and western limits of the continent.

AXUM, KUSH’S successor, was situated in the Ethiopian highlands, not far from where the Red Sea empties out into the Gulf of Aden . The port city for AXUM was the Red Sea port of ADULIS . AXUM traded trinkets, wine, cloth and finished iron goods with the peoples of the interior for iron ore, hides, gold and enslaved Africans. These were shipped from the port of ADULIS and traded in Arabia , Persia , Constantinople and India ."

Axum destroyed Kush, beginning the largest of the Cushitic migrations up the Nile valley and into the Horn. Your ignorant insults are not appropriate for any history forum, regardless of its ethnic makeup. Ignorance of your own history does not necessarily mean others are ignorant of it. This is part of World History. Don't blame Menelik and me for what your ancestors didn't tell you!

To even suggests cushtic people migrated into Ethiopia from Sudan is laughable.

1- First and foremost, cushtic people have been living in Ethiopia and specifically northern Ethiopia since before the advent of civilization in the area. Ethiopia is the home of the Afroasiatic languages as it contains the most numerous and most branchs of the language family.

2-Meroe was actually destroyed during the 2-3rd century by The Great Ezana, Christianity along with Aksumite tradition spread west from northern Ethiopia into Sudan. You can even find ancient Aksumite churches, with Ethiopian style of art, and even Ge'ez writing.

3- meroite wasn't even a cushtic language so to say it's the epicenter of cushtic language is funny.

4.It is uncertain to which language family the Meroitic language is related. Claude Rilly has proposed that it, like the Nobiin language, belongs to the Eastern Sudanic branch of the Nilo-Saharan family.[23][24][full citation needed] Kirsty Rowan suggests that Meroitic, like the Egyptian language, instead belongs to the Afro-Asiaticfamily. She bases this on its sound inventory and phonotactics, which are similar to those of the Afro-Asiatic languages and dissimilar from those of the Nilo-Saharan languages.

5-It is evident that Sudan has always been a nilo-Saharan inhabited region, even the kush empire was not cushtic.

 

[Prince Abubu]

To even suggests cushtic people migrated into Ethiopia from Sudan is laughable.

1- First and foremost, cushtic people have been living in Ethiopia and specifically northern Ethiopia since before the advent of civilization in the area. Ethiopia is the home of the Afroasiatic languages as it contains the most numerous and most branchs of the language family.

2-Meroe was actually destroyed during the 2-3rd century by The Great Ezana, Christianity along with Aksumite tradition spread west from northern Ethiopia into Sudan. You can even find ancient Aksumite churches, with Ethiopian style of art, and even Ge'ez writing.

3- meroite wasn't even a cushtic language so to say it's the epicenter of cushtic language is funny.

4.It is uncertain to which language family the Meroitic language is related. Claude Rilly has proposed that it, like the Nobiin language, belongs to the Eastern Sudanic branch of the Nilo-Saharan family.[23][24][full citation needed] Kirsty Rowan suggests that Meroitic, like the Egyptian language, instead belongs to the Afro-Asiaticfamily. She bases this on its sound inventory and phonotactics, which are similar to those of the Afro-Asiatic languages and dissimilar from those of the Nilo-Saharan languages.

5-It is evident that Sudan has always been a nilo-Saharan inhabited region, even the kush empire was not cushtic.

1) Lolwut? Sudan wasn't Cushitic? What nonsense is this? The nobiin language may be nilotic, but apparently the people are of Cushitic stock. Languages shift, just like you and I are writing in English, does that mean we are both Anglo-Saxons?

2) Kush, or more specifically the Kerma Civilisation which centred on Nubia and coincided with Ancient Egypt was a Cushitic speaking culture.

Kerma

3) The Beja, a Cushitic speaking people originate and have always lived in the red Sea coast of Sudan and Northern Eritrea.

4) The Nobiin language, has been found to have a lot of Highland East Cushitic loanwords for tools and animals suggesting the earlier population were a Cushitic speaking civilisation that shifted to nilotic speakers.

 

[Abdalla]

The Founding Fathers of Puntland knew their history

Walahi we hit jackpot with that name

 

[Grant]

To even suggests cushtic people migrated into Ethiopia from Sudan is laughable.

1- First and foremost, cushtic people have been living in Ethiopia and specifically northern Ethiopia since before the advent of civilization in the area. Ethiopia is the home of the Afroasiatic languages as it contains the most numerous and most branchs of the language family.

2-Meroe was actually destroyed during the 2-3rd century by The Great Ezana, Christianity along with Aksumite tradition spread west from northern Ethiopia into Sudan. You can even find ancient Aksumite churches, with Ethiopian style of art, and even Ge'ez writing.

3- meroite wasn't even a cushtic language so to say it's the epicenter of cushtic language is funny.

4.It is uncertain to which language family the Meroitic language is related. Claude Rilly has proposed that it, like the Nobiin language, belongs to the Eastern Sudanic branch of the Nilo-Saharan family.[23][24][full citation needed] Kirsty Rowan suggests that Meroitic, like the Egyptian language, instead belongs to the Afro-Asiaticfamily. She bases this on its sound inventory and phonotactics, which are similar to those of the Afro-Asiatic languages and dissimilar from those of the Nilo-Saharan languages.

5-It is evident that Sudan has always been a nilo-Saharan inhabited region, even the kush empire was not cushtic.

You're as lost as the good professor.

 

[Canuck]

@Grant egyptain historians said more than once that land of punt was current today Somalia and only ethnic group that is closer to ancient Egypt are Somalis in east Africa and Libya in North Africa. http://maktaba-amma.com/?p=12625

 

[Canuck]

@Grant