Land of Punt

[daljirkadahsoon]

Punt likely was more centred in modern Eritrean territory before its capital shifted further east. Unless we find some incredibly large archaeological finds dating to Punt, it is safe to say the royal seat was probably in modern Eritrea.

I believe Punt's territory included Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia and also possibly land on the other side of the sea.

Our ancestors were in Eritrea for some time before migrating further south in their journey from the Nile Valley/Eastern Desert.

 

[Idilinaa]

Punt likely was more centred in modern Eritrean territory before its capital shifted further east. Unless we find some incredibly large archaeological finds dating to Punt, it is safe to say the royal seat was probably in modern Eritrea.

I believe Punt's territory included Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia and also possibly land on the other side of the sea.

Our ancestors were in Eritrea for some time before migrating further south in their journey from the Nile Valley/Eastern Desert.

Based on the Ancient Egyptian descriptions Punt was more like a localized emporium, than all-emcompassing one hugging different regions and decentralized headed by werew (chieftain). This is different than the hierarchical/centralized nature of the Gash group.

Here is what research scientist think at least:
Locating the ancient lost city of Punt with mummified baboons Scientists are able to narrow down the location of Punt by analysing ancient baboon remains
Nate - That's right. Punt was both a kingdom and an emporium on the coast. So there was a market town or port. And so we think the Egyptians would have pulled their ships up to the port and they may have purchased or traded for animals that were there in the port city. But the animals may have been sourced from farther inland, and that makes sense. We think the Puntites knew their market, they knew their consumers. And so they would have gathered animals from farther inland and brought them for trade with the Egyptians.

 

[Midas]

We are not identifying a group. We are identifying possible locations. With either Somalia or Eritrea being prime candidates.

Where is punt located is the thread topic. All that other stuff you are mentioning is completely unrelated to it. No idea to what you are on about , sorry.

Oh damn I guess I did forget the point was about the location my bad. Although I still think showing how there is a Continous tradition of trading incense and other goods and how there are customs and chatctersics describing these same people going back millenia obviously strengthens the case. Since it becomes a much smaller logical leap to show how punt is in somalia since the kingdom was merely a part of this long trading tradition that went on for millenia and wasn't a one off thing.

 

[Idilinaa]

Oh damn I guess I did forget the point was about the location my bad. Although I still think showing how there is a Continous tradition of trading incense and other goods and how there are customs and chatctersics describing these same people going back millenia obviously strengthens the case. Since it becomes a much smaller logical leap to show how punt is in somalia since the kingdom was merely a part of this long trading tradition that went on for millenia and wasn't a one off thing.

Again continuous traditions has nothing to do with it. Were talking about possible locations from where these products that was traded to egypt and found in Ancient egyptian tombs can be sourced from and if the egyptians sources can be used to pin-point it throught their descriptions

 

[BidaarBoy]

are not identifying a group. We are identifying possible locations. With either Somalia or Eritrea being prime candidates.

They are not mutually exclusive, Punt stretched form East Sudan into Somaliland, simple.

 

[Zak12]

I could also mention other indirect evidences as well.

If you don't mind could you do that please? Every bit of evidence helps

 

[Idilinaa]

If you don't mind could you do that please? Every bit of evidence helps

What i shared before that is more direct, like frankincense found in egyptian tombs only exclusively grows in Somalia and the Greco-Roman mentioning a Pharoah expedition to a Somali port and that same pharaoh is recorded in Egyptian stalae of going to Punt.

Key word ''indirect'' is what i said here:

The indirect evidences from the periplus documents mentions the imported products from Somali ports and most of them allign with the products Ancient Egyptians imported from punt in egyptians records.

And the Greco-Roman writings associates an Ancient Egyptian legacy with Somali coastal ports, naming them after Egyptian idols like Isis and carrying on romanized name for Kheto Ati --> Cape Aromata.

 

[Idilinaa]

They are not mutually exclusive, Punt stretched form East Sudan into Somaliland, simple.

We don't know anything conclusively. We just have to wait and see if some archeological material in these areas turn up.

 

[BidaarBoy]

We don't know anything conclusively. We just have to wait and see if some archeological material in these areas turn up.

There’s more than enough archaeological evidence at this point

 

[Idilinaa]

There’s more than enough archaeological evidence at this point

What archeology? Did they find an artifact or some material that ties these locations to Punt?

Please share if you know.

 

[Awdalite]

There’s more than enough archaeological evidence at this point

There isn't anything fully conclusive. Sadly not much research has been done

 

[BidaarBoy]

We don't know anything conclusively. We just have to wait and see if some archeological material in these areas turn up.

Pottery similar to that depicted on Egyptian ships coming from punt has been found in Eritrea

 

[Killamenace78]

Land of punt was 4k+ years ago during this time Somali people weren’t an ethnicity we were apart of other cushites I think

 

[BidaarBoy]

Land of punt was 4k+ years ago during this time Somali people weren’t an ethnicity we were apart of other cushites I think

You’re right Somali hadn’t diverged at that point

 

[Idilinaa]

Land of punt was 4k+ years ago during this time Somali people weren’t an ethnicity we were apart of other cushites I think

True all East Cushitic speakers most likely 1 group. But we are debating possible locations not population groups.

Pottery similar to that depicted on Egyptian ships coming from punt has been found in Eritrea

Source?

 

[Zak12]

@Idilinaa I came across this from twitter that says frankinsence can't be uses as evidence for Punt's location. Thoughts?

 

[Idilinaa]

@Idilinaa I came across this from twitter that says frankinsence can't be uses as evidence for Punt's location. Thoughts?View attachment 332803

Except the plant specie found in Northern Somalia is not planted there, it is naturally occurring. So it's not subject to any of these things mentioned, same is true for other areas of East Africa. Only Arabia is an exception to this.

But last sentence i agree with.

 

[Zak12]

Except the plant specie found in Northern Somalia is not planted there, it is naturally occurring. So it's not subject to any of these things mentioned, same is true for other areas of East Africa. Only Arabia is an exception to this.

But last sentence i agree with.

So the frankincense cannot be used as primary evidence to prove Punt was in Somalia? We only have the baboon dna?

 

[Idilinaa]

So the frankincense cannot be used as primary evidence to prove Punt was in Somalia? We only have the baboon dna?

No it can be a primary evidence it is a native plant that naturally evolved there, but they should use that evidence in co-junction with other pieces of evidences is what i meant.

There are other evidences that i have actually mentioned , not baboon. The baboon evidence only narrowed down the region to the general horn. It's not an argument for Somalia.

We also have like Greco-Roman writings that show the Pharaoh Sesostris I led an expedition to a Somali port and that same Pharaoh is recorded in Ancient Egyptian records as leading an expedition to Punt.

Not only does the archeological evidence strongly suggest that's it's the northern-eastern Somali coast but also the written sources. I could also mention other indirect evidences as well.

Aside from the direct pieces of evidences i mention before. The indirect evidences from the periplus documents mentions the imported products from Somali ports and most of them allign with the products Ancient Egyptians imported from punt in egyptians records.

And the Greco-Roman writings associates an Ancient Egyptian legacy with Somali coastal ports, naming them after Egyptian idols like Isis and carrying on romanized name for Kheto Ati --> Cape Aromata.

 

[Zak12]

No it can be a primary evidence it is a native plant that naturally evolved there, but they should use that evidence in co-junction with other pieces of evidences is what i meant.

There are other evidences that i have actually mentioned , not baboon. The baboon evidence only narrowed down the region to the general horn. It's not an argument for Somalia.

Yeah I'm trying to sift throught the evidence but having some difficulty. Scholars go back and forth on its specific location. For example I found some texts that say its in Ethiopia and Eritrea but nothing about Somalia.