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Don't take it the wrong way, just view the freethinker's subsection, even within Dir we have assimilated clans, and even within Madaluug, I'm just pointing out that every single Isa and Gadabuursi tested so far has been T-L208, both are just sub sub of Dir.

Im not insulting you almost nobody would know what Madaluug Dir is its like me saying Baahale to a non-Darood. Its the largest clan its age by far and filled with notable clans but its strange for me to use that with you.

Secondly I asked a question its about the quantity and veracity of your samples. Do you know?

 

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Im not insulting you almost nobody would know what Madaluug Dir is its like me saying Baahale to a non-Darood. Its the largest clan its age by far and filled with notable clans but its strange for me to use that with you.

Secondly I asked a question its about the quantity and veracity of your samples. Do you know?

Who said you were insulting me? I’ve manually checked on 23andMe, and around 10–15 people have confirmed their subclades to me. Additionally, three have confirmed on YFull under T-FGC92488, including one individual whose lineage traces back to an exile 300 years ago.

 

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Who said you were insulting me? I’ve manually checked on 23andMe, and around 10–15 people have confirmed their subclades to me. Additionally, three have confirmed on YFull under T-FGC92488, including one individual whose lineage traces back to an exile 300 years ago.

You said dont take it the wrong way. Dont want you to feel pressed.

You dont even realize the pitfall here. If you vetted your users who vetted the Ogaden samples and why are they not proportional to the number of verified samples(limited all around) of small clans like Gadabursi and the like?

Its mighty convenient the largest clan has secret reserves of Gadabursi according to a Gadabursi

Can you tell me when this assimilation took place and how? Was Awdal conquered by Maxamed Subeer at some point? Why did large sections of Madaluug become sheegads?

 

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You said dont take it the wrong way. Dont want you to feel pressed.

You dont even realize the pitfall here. If you vetted your users who vetted the Ogaden samples and why are they not proportional to the number of verified samples(limited all around) of small clans like Gadabursi and the like?

Its mighty convenient the largest clan has secret reserves of Gadabursi according to a Gadabursi

Can you tell me when this assimilation took place and how? Was Awdal conquered by Maxamed Subeer at some point? Why did large sections of Madaluug become sheegads?

Vetted I'm not writing a paper, you'll be lucky to get a reply on 23andme, Gadabuursi isn't a small population it's between 1.5m-2m, and we've historically lived as far as Chercher(west haraghe) and Harar, after the 16th century we consolidated power back to our home region, I know for a fact several Reer Isaaq within Ogaden have gotten T-L208, many of the Madaluug lived in the SR and got pushed out after the 16th century and during the Ethiopian raids and issues in the 19th century, some got assimilated and the rest move south and live with other Dirs.

Ogaden isn't a real "clan" but a confederation, nothing wrong with that, you gain power if you assimilate other like-minded people around you, no need to get knicker in a twist.

 

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Vetted I'm not writing a paper, you'll be lucky to get a reply on 23andme,

“Im not writing a paper” Is this actually a valid excuse to you

Gadabuursi isn't a small population it's between 1.5m-2m, and we've historically lived as far as Chercher(west haraghe) and Harar, after the 16th century we consolidated power back to our home region, I know for a fact several Reer Isaaq within Ogaden have gotten T-L208, many of the Madaluug lived in the SR and got pushed out after the 16th century and during the Ethiopian raids and issues in the 19th century, some got assimilated and the rest move south and live with other Dirs.

The only Reer Isaaq i’ve found here did not get T results.

Everything else about Gadabursis running from Menelik and going under Ogadens as Sheegads is unsubstantiated. Do you have any historical record of that it seems to be a well recorded time period.

Ogaden isn't a real "clan" but a confederation, nothing wrong with that, you gain power if you assimilate other like-minded people around you, no need to get knicker in a twist.

You are so desperate to be a big clan you are willing to claim sheegad status under the Ogaden and become genuinely upset when challenged over it. SubxanAllah

Dir Hawiye and Raxanweyn are the last people on earth to claim confederacy on anyone else. May Allah protect us from the envy of the minority clans.

 

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Nevermind @NidarNidar I just stumbled on you in another thread you are an admitted sheegad Sheekhaal-Gadabursi Hybrid.

Imagine a Hawiye/Dir sheegad saying my clans not real

Yes, I am also T-L208 and Gababuursi and the further I delve deep, the more it makes sense it was a religious order, since the haplogroups are all over the place and my own clan history points that my clan founder was xeebjire and brother to Samaroon, myself and @Araabi share unique snps, and the ynda for sheekhaaal is all over the place.

This points to a religious brotherhood, and its origins dating back to Harar, which was a popular trade route, towards the Somali coastal routes.

My clan founder Sheikh Ismail was a Islamic scholar who travelled throughout Northern Somalia and into the SR, he got his nickname Xeebjire for travelling to the coastal towns, from oral history and talking to the elders, and with the help of genetics, it's safe to say, that him and Samaroon were brothers, yes some do claim it but it's out of ignorance.

 

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Nevermind @NidarNidar I just stumbled on you in another thread you are an admitted sheegad Sheekhaal-Gadabursi Hybrid.

Imagine a Hawiye/Dir sheegad saying my clans not real

I'm not the one claiming banu whatever I'm trying to make sense of oral history alongside genetic evidence, while you turn a blind eye to and cling to the ARAB Myth, like a warm blanket, grow up and face whats written on the wall.

“Im not writing a paper” Is this actually a valid excuse to you

The only Reer Isaaq i’ve found here did not get T results.

Everything else about Gadabursis running from Menelik and going under Ogadens as Sheegads is unsubstantiated. Do you have any historical record of that it seems to be a well recorded time period.

You are so desperate to be a big clan you are willing to claim sheegad status under the Ogaden and become genuinely upset when challenged over it. SubxanAllah

Dir Hawiye and Raxanweyn are the last people on earth to claim confederacy on anyone else. May Allah protect us from the envy of the minority clans.

The Habashi call Awbarre the gate of fear in their language, I don't have to debase myself for internet points, the hint is in the name Reer Isaaq alongside them getting T-l208.

@Step a side tell him about the Reer Isaaq T-L208.

 

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I'm not the one claiming banu whatever I'm trying to make sense of oral history alongside genetic evidence, while you turn a blind eye to and cling to the ARAB Myth, like a warm blanket, grow up and face whats written on the wall.

The Habashi call Awbarre the gate of fear in their language, I don't have to debase myself for internet points, the hint is in the name Reer Isaaq alongside them getting T-l208.

@Step a side tell him about the Reer Isaaq T-L208.

I think he knows about the reer Isaaq with the T-L208. He needs to get a M Zubair on Yfull matching the other Ogaden to beat the allegations.

 

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I'm not the one claiming banu whatever I'm trying to make sense of oral history alongside genetic evidence, while you turn a blind eye to and cling to the ARAB Myth, like a warm blanket, grow up and face whats written on the wall.

The Habashi call Awbarre the gate of fear in their language, I don't have to debase myself for internet points, the hint is in the name Reer Isaaq alongside them getting T-l208.

@Step a side tell him about the Reer Isaaq T-L208.

Are you in the closet or did you tell your dad your new qabiil

I think he knows about the reer Isaaq with the T-L208. He needs to get a M Zubair on Yfull matching the other Ogaden to beat the allegations.

Forget MZ I have a confirmed Reer Isaaq without T right now in the chamber. Watch you switch goalposts lol

Why are Hawiyes picking up new clans? Is this why you’ve been cozying up to the MJs, do you wanna be Darood?

 

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Are you in the closet or did you tell your dad your new qabiil

Forget MZ I have a confirmed Reer Isaaq without T right now in the chamber. Watch you switch goalposts lol

Why are Hawiyes picking up new clans? Is this why you’ve been cozying up to the MJs, do you wanna be Darood?

2 days straight of this yet you accuse me of fkd…

 

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Are you in the closet or did you tell your dad your new qabiil

Forget MZ I have a confirmed Reer Isaaq without T right now in the chamber. Watch you switch goalposts lol

Why are Hawiyes picking up new clans? Is this why you’ve been cozying up to the MJs, do you wanna be Darood?

Let me know when you have a MZ on Yfull matching the other Ogaden. Until then you are a confederacy. This is the era of science. Like DR Osman always says, “we need evidence based…”

As for us Hawiye most of us seem to be falling under E-Y515840. This will be fully confirmed once the Baadicade sample is released end of this month or early March. Don’t know why you brought up the Majerteen into this tbh lol

 

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2 days straight of this and yet you accuse me of fkd…View attachment 354386

Im not even doing FKD im just applying pressure to the hotep freethinker users. Questions and evidence hurts them worse then clan insults

Let me know when you have a MZ on Yfull matching the other Ogaden. Until then you are a confederacy. This is the era of science. Like DR Osman always says, “we need evidence based…”

As for us Hawiye most of us seem to be falling under E-Y515840. This will be fully confirmed once the Baadicade sample is released end of this month or early March. Don’t know why you brought up the Majerteen into this tbh lol

What an idiot there was a Reer Isaaq user on this site who posted his results in 2017 (E-M5021) @NidarNidar are you now going to become a haplogroup tranny and abandon T-L208

Thread 'My 23 and me results jaamacatu DNA soo gala'
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/my-23-and-me-results-jaamacatu-dna-soo-gala.31196/

 

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“There are Hawiyes and Gadabursi in Ogaden”

 

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Im not even doing FKD im just applying pressure to the hotep freethinker users. Questions and evidence hurts them worse then clan insults

What an idiot there was a Reer Isaaq user on this site who posted his results in 2017 (E-M5021) @NidarNidar are you now going to become a haplogroup tranny and abandon T-L208

Thread 'My 23 and me results jaamacatu DNA soo gala'
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/my-23-and-me-results-jaamacatu-dna-soo-gala.31196/

Warya @NidarNidar come check this. We have fresh fkd material

 

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Warya @NidarNidar come check this. We have fresh fkd material

Before we switch goalposts here how is the Reer Isaaq are Dir theory going? One step at a time now

 

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Before we switch goalposts here how is the Reer Isaaq are Dir theory going? One step at a time now

E-M5021 is the most rare lineage ever discovered amongst the Somalis and mankind in general. Wallahi this further proves that some of the Ogaden especially M Zubair are not Ogaden This lineage is a pre-historic dying breed only to be found sporadically in Greeks, Afghan, Ethiopians etc. It split from the Somali “E” 35,000 years ago

@Removed you are not really versed in dna so I will take it easy on you. Just get 1 verified M Zubair to take big Y test.

 

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E-M5021 is the most rare lineage ever discovered amongst the Somalis and mankind in general. Wallahi this further proves that Ogaden especially M Zubair are not Ogaden This lineage is a pre-historic dying breed only to be found sporadically in Greeks, Afghan, Ethiopians etc. It split from the Somali “E” 35,000 years ago

@Removed you are not really versed in dna so I will take it easy on you. Just get 1 verified M Zubair to take big Y test.

Agah was I the one who came with a hypothesis of whats the official haplogroup based on a single sample or was he?

Judging from what i’ve seen online we have enough (anonymous)samples to count on my hands with a population of millions. This sample doesnt prove anything of mine it disproves everything you’ve been pushing and wanted to push here.

DNA suugo science at its finest in this thread.

1. Untrustworthy source that only goes back to an fkd artist(red flag).
2. Verified Reer Isaaq on sspot/somnet like Ferrari and GeeljirePoet/Guulane iirc didnt get T when tested(red flag).
3. Only a handful of results in either direction for a clan in the hundreds of thousands(red flag).
4. The only place Kuumade is a slightly popular label is with Jubbaland OG yet hes from Dhagaxbuur(minor red flag).

 

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Agah was I the one who came with a hypothesis of whats the official haplogroup based on a single sample or was he?

Judging from what i’ve seen online we have enough (anonymous)samples to count on my hands with a population of millions. This sample doesnt prove anything of mine it disproves everything you’ve been pushing and wanted to push here.

Bro just face it. Reer Isaaq and M Zubair are assimilated. That lineage the reer isaaq dude carried is a rare dying breed within E-M35. Only 0.05% of Somalis carry that lineage

Just get a verified M Zubair to take the big Y. If he matches the other Ogaden then you are good. It’s not that hard.

 

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Bro just face it. Reer Isaaq and M Zubair are assimilated. That lineage the reer isaaq dude carried is a rare dying breed within E-M35. Only 0.05% of Somalis carry that lineage

Just get a verified M Zubair to take the big Y. If he matches the other Ogaden then you are good. It’s not that hard.

>Reer Isaaq is T and many of my clansmen are also sheegads hidden in Ogaden

>>Verified Reer Isaaq Sample that isnt T

>Bro just accept it

Hoteps are so bad faith man

 

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>Reer Isaaq is T and many of my clansmen are also sheegads hidden in Ogaden

>>Verified Reer Isaaq Sample that isnt T

>Bro just accept it

Hoteps are so bad faith man

All this means is that reer isaaq have Dir and few other lineages within them.