Mohamed Addow reports frm Qandala, PL, one notices that PL army uses Somali bantus N the frontline

[xisaabiye]

They can't even see that

Who says I even watched the video

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

What bantus?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I did not see a single bantu in that video...

 

[Prince Abubu]

You guys are being trolled by menace and you're frothing at the mouth. PL crew need to learn to take a joke, you look insecure.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Revenge is a dish best served cold at least we have reason, y'all are just cunsuri by nature to the point that Every daarood sub sub sub clan wants it's own "federal" state

That's a fair point. But SL want its own independent country based on differences that are imagined.

 

[Prince Abubu]

That's a fair point. But SL want its own independent country based on differences that are imagined.

You don't get to decide whether differences are imagined or not, the people of Somaliland do. And they clearly think the differences in culture and politics are big enough to leave Somalia. They're not breaking away but dissolving a union that has proven to be fruitless for them. Are the bar exams in Sweden so easy? You'd think a lawyer would recognise the difference.

 

[oday1kenobi]

That's a fair point. But SL want its own independent country based on differences that are imagined.

As @Prince Abubu said, it's what the people on the ground want and they voted in force (97% supported breaking up with Somalia) in the 2001 referendum.

Inb4 it wasn't free and fair:

Somaliland referendum "impressingly free and fair"

The 11-person team of election observers, which travelled to a number of regions, consisted of American, Swiss and British observers. The Somaliland government said on 5 June that over 97 percent of voters had endorsed the new Constitution.

The final report analysing the election will first be issued over the coming weeks, but the preliminary analysis concludes positively. "No election is problem free and this election was no exception, but based on our initial observations, the election seems to have been conducted in a manner that was consistent with recognized international practices for referendum elections."

http://www.afrol.com/News2001/som013_somaliland_poll3.htm

Surely you of all people must respect the wishes of the people.

 

[waraabe]

That's a fair point. But SL want its own independent country based on differences that are imagined.

We are different races

 

[waraabe]

You don't get to decide whether differences are imagined or not, the people of Somaliland do. And they clearly think the differences in culture and politics are big enough to leave Somalia. They're not breaking away but dissolving a union that has proven to be fruitless for them. Are the bar exams in Sweden so easy? You'd think a lawyer would recognise the difference.

She was exposed, she maybe did gcse law but she isn't a law grad

 

[Steamdevolopment]

As @Prince Abubu said, it's what the people on the ground want and they voted in force (97% supported breaking up with Somalia) in the 2001 referendum:

Inb4 it wasn't free and fair:

Somaliland referendum "impressingly free and fair"

The 11-person team of election observers, which travelled to a number of regions, consisted of American, Swiss and British observers. The Somaliland government said on 5 June that over 97 percent of voters had endorsed the new Constitution.

The final report analysing the election will first be issued over the coming weeks, but the preliminary analysis concludes positively. "No election is problem free and this election was no exception, but based on our initial observations, the election seems to have been conducted in a manner that was consistent with recognized international practices for referendum elections."

http://www.afrol.com/News2001/som013_somaliland_poll3.htm

Surely you of all people must respect the wishes of the people.

I think you are forgetting an important cavat:

"A team of ten observers from the Initiative and Referendum Institute observed the referendum. They were only able to visit 57 of the 600 polling stations and avoided the Sool region entirely due to security concerns."

Any election that shows 90 % support for anything is not to be trusted, especially when it has political significance. With that said I will support independence only if it is endorsed by a qualified majority of ALL Somalis, anything less is a recipe for disaster.

 

[waraabe]

I think you are forgetting an important cavat:

"A team of ten observers from the Initiative and Referendum Institute observed the referendum. They were only able to visit 57 of the 600 polling stations and avoided the Sool region entirely due to security concerns."

Any election that shows 90 % support for anything is not to be trusted, especially when it has political significance. With that said I will support independence only if it is endorsed by a qualified majority of ALL Somalis, anything less is a recipe for disaster.

We know where you are coming from

Your folk won't be freed if Somaliland leaves the union.


But know this, you are staying under your xabashi masters for eternity

 

[Steamdevolopment]

We know where you are coming from

Your folk won't be freed if Somaliland leaves the union.


But know this, you are staying under your xabashi masters for eternity

You're making this awfully personal and most of what you said is incorrect

 

[waraabe]

You're making this awfully personal and most of what you said is incorrect

Tell me why should a solider from hargeisa die for a Ogaden from jigjiga?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Tell me why should a solider from hargeisa die for a Ogaden from jigjiga?

1: There is oil and ressources in Ogaden, even if all of it goes to Ogaden it benefits SL with more revenue and richer neighbours

2: If Ogaden is taken control of, it allows us to expand to the rivers and thereby control an important ressources

3: It allows for easier travel of goods from one somali region to another if Ogaden is captured

4: Many SL people have families on the border in Ogaden

5: Most importantly it is our to rule and not Ehtiopian.

 

[waraabe]

1: There is oil and ressources in Ogaden, even if all of it goes to Ogaden it benefits SL with more revenue and richer neighbours

2: If Ogaden is taken control of, it allows us to expand to the rivers and thereby control an important ressources

3: It allows for easier travel of goods from one somali region to another if Ogaden is captured

4: Many SL people have families on the border in Ogaden

5: Most importantly it is our to rule and not Ehtiopian.

But I don't believe your people are the same as me


Also the last time SLanders tried to help you and your refugees settled in Somaliland your folk took up Arms against locals, hence you are known as the backstabber, it's impossible to trust you kind and bring them into our nation will make the nation vulnerable to foreigners

 

[Steamdevolopment]

But I don't believe your people are the same as me

We speak the same language, look the same, have a common history, and we even deal with same corrupt leaders

 

[oday1kenobi]

I think you are forgetting an important cavat:

"A team of ten observers from the Initiative and Referendum Institute observed the referendum. They were only able to visit 57 of the 600 polling stations and avoided the Sool region entirely due to security concerns."

Any election that shows 90 % support for anything is not to be trusted, especially when it has political significance. With that said I will support independence only if it is endorsed by a qualified majority of ALL Somalis, anything less is a recipe for disaster.

Yes, you are right that high figures (especially 90%+) for elections/referendums tend to be far-fetched but there are cases when these figures show a true picture and they tend to be on contentious issues as seen in the Falklands sovereignty referendum of 2013 where 99.80% chose to stay as a UK overseas territory with a turnout of 91.94%.

The British people of the Falkland islands had bad blood with Argentina likewise the same can be said about Somaliland in regards to Somalia hence why they voted in favour of seceding from Somalia.

The respected and well loved premier, Mohammed H.I. Egal (AUN), actually supported rejoining with Somalia but even he had to concede to the wishes of the people after the 2001 referendum:

President Mohamed Ibrahim Egal of the breakaway region of Somaliland, has commented for the first time on the results of last week's independence referendum in which voters backed cessation from Somalia.

President Egal said Somaliland was no longer just a collection of clans but a nation in its own right.

He said the results of the referendum also brought to an end the question of whether Somaliland should ever reunite with Somalia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1367554.stm

But I agree that another referendum (preferably after the upcoming elections and the khatumo peace talks) may be a wise step for Somaliland so that all regions have a clear say.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Yes, you are right that high figures (especially 90%+) for elections/referendums tend to be far-fetched but there are cases when these figures show a true picture and they tend to on contentious issues as seen in the Falklands sovereignty referendum of 2013 where 99.80% chose to stay as a UK overseas territory with turnout of 91.94%.

The British people of the Falkland islands had a bad history with Argentina likewise the same can be said about Somaliland in regards to somalia hence why they vote in favour of seceding from Somalia.

The respected and well loved premier, Mohammed H.I. Egal (AUN), actually supported rejoining with Somalia but even he had to concede to the wishes of the people after the 2001 referendum:

President Mohamed Ibrahim Egal of the breakaway region of Somaliland, has commented for the first time on the results of last week's independence referendum in which voters backed cessation from Somalia.

President Egal said Somaliland was no longer just a collection of clans but a nation in its own right.

He said the results of the referendum also brought to an end the question of whether Somaliland should ever reunite with Somalia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1367554.stm

But I agree that another referendum (preferably after the upcoming elections and the khatumo peace talks) may be a wise step for Somaliland so that all regions have a say.

Difference is though that the Falkland Island where a small and homogenous island where everyone knew each-other.

I also find it suspect that the Sool region is excluded, where there is perhaps the greatest opposition to statehood. We can't say it was free and fair with the observer as they only visited 1/6th of voting places.

I still wouldn't trust a referendum made by the current Somaliland government, you see what they do to journalist and people who express views contary to the state sanctioned one.

Also my condition wasn't that only Somaliland should vote in favor but that such must be made by ALL Somalis within Somalia as it means a reduction of the whole Somali country, and therefore requires the consent of the Somali people as a whole. Only then can I support statehood.

 

[oday1kenobi]

Difference is though that the Falkland Island where a small and homogenous island where everyone knew each-other.

I also find it suspect that the Sool region is excluded, where there is perhaps the greatest opposition to statehood. We can't say it was free and fair with the observer as they only visited 1/6th of voting places.

I still wouldn't trust a referendum made by the current Somaliland government, you see what they do to journalist and people who express views contary to the state sanctioned one.

Also my condition wasn't that only Somaliland should vote in favor but that such must be made by ALL Somalis within Somalia as it means a reduction of the whole Somali country, and therefore requires the consent of the Somali people as a whole. Only then can I support statehood.

If they visited 1/6 of the polling stations throughout SL from Awdal to Sanaag then I think it's a respectable, sizable sample? (excl Sool which I agree isn't right)

I highly doubt foreign observers check all/most of the polling stations in many countries (especially developing countries) anyway so again it's a sizable sample especially since there were only 10 observers?

As for your last point, that absolutely makes no sense! Why should the rest of the Somalia have a say in an area/region(s) they are not from?

So your telling me that the Scottish referendum of 2015 was a farce since the English, Welsh, and Northern Irish didn't have a say?!

 

[waraabe]

If they visited 1/6 of the polling stations throughout SL from Awdal to Sanaag then I think it's a respectable, sizable sample? (excl Sool which I agree isn't right)

I highly doubt foreign observers check all/most of the polling stations in many countries (especially developing countries) anyway so again it's a sizable sample especially since there were only 10 observers?

As for your last point, that absolutely makes no sense! Why would the rest of the Somalia have a say in an area/region(s) they are not from?

So your telling me that the Scottish referendum of 2015 was a farce since the English, Welsh, and Northern Irish didn't have a say?!

Weird thing is she wants her region to split up from Ethiopia but she is against SL regaining its international recognition. Isn't that weird