Mohammed Siyad Barre appreciation thread

[Lord Flacko]

Trust me if they had the full retrospect of what somalia turned into today I guarantee they would be having second thoughts of asking him to step down

So they see a future where he didn't step down and it caused anarchy, so they won't ask him to step down?

That's retarded. The longer Barre held power the worse it got and the worse it would become. If Aden Abdulle Osman AUN or Abdullahi Issa AUN knew of what Barre would turn Somalia into, they'd never let him get remotely close in the first place.

You live in one of the most democratic countries in the world, you're Atheist and you love everything about the west yet you're advocating for a Genocidal Dictator who regularly abuses human rights and silenced anybody who dared speak out against him? You confuse me didn't you say you were the logical one?

 

[Lord Flacko]

Haven't you heard, Somalia is doing so much better now



And yet paradoxically MSB destroyed Somalia



Not sure which one they're arguing now

Barre destroyed Somalia and made a third the country want to leave.

Somalia would be better off if he was never born. He didn't amount to much, even with his background as a military general he lost an already won war.

 

[waraabe]

Guys useless argument . Darod will cry for this guy and other Somalis won't. No need to have a 20 page thread

 

[Lord Flacko]

Wtf, I've stated time and time again MSB made critical errors that rightfully led to his downfall. In this very thread I said I'd probably fight against him.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that with the advantage of hindsight, Somalia has proven once and for all even a deeply flawed and repressive government is better than the anarchy that followed.

Out of the anarchy comes democracy.

Out of Barre comes anarchy.

 

[McLovin]

Haven't you heard, Somalia is doing so much better now



And yet paradoxically MSB destroyed Somalia



Not sure which one they're arguing now

Doing better my ass, I never understood that comment coming from southerners. You can argue that the nothern regions relatively benifitted from Siad ousting. But it is undeniable that the South was the only place to turn out worse after the government collapse

 

[waraabe]

Out of the anarchy comes democracy.

Out of Barre comes anarchy.

Are we gonna ignore the fact his tribe backed him and faught to keep him in power

 

[Bahal]

Out of the anarchy comes democracy.

Out of Barre comes anarchy.

Lol, again, Barre was your run of the mill dictator that got wrecked by rebels.

Unfortunately for us, the victor was Aideed and we all know what happened after. I've just spent the better part of a few hours highlighting just how insane that dude was.

No where else did a collapse of a dictatorship lead to anarchy. Literally all you have to do is not alienate every single one of your allies like that madman did.

 

[Bahal]

We want Siad out.

You got him out.

Then what?

 

[Bahal]

Doing better my ass, I never understood that comment coming from southerners. You can argue that the nothern regions relatively benifitted from Siad ousting. But it is undeniable that the South was the only place to turn out worse after the government collapse

Ask @Prince of Hobyo although he's now gone back to the narrative of a destroyed Somalia strangely enough

 

[Duchess]

LMAO @ @Prince of Hobyo mentioning the manifesto group. Members of that group were targeted and many were killed by the USC for being from the wrong clan, while the USC's leader Aided was part of the Kacaan regime. You can't make this stuff up.


@waraabe you're not from "Somalia", your clan won the civil war, you're from the peaceful and prosperous nation of Somaliland, yet you moved to the UK in the 90s after the establishment of this great nation as a damn refugee.

 

[McLovin]

So they see a future where he didn't step down and it caused anarchy, so they won't ask him to step down?

That's retarded. The longer Barre held power the worse it got and the worse it would become. If Aden Abdulle Osman AUN or Abdullahi Issa AUN knew of what Barre would turn Somalia into, they'd never let him get remotely close in the first place.

You live in one of the most democratic countries in the world, you're Atheist and you love everything about the west yet you're advocating for a Genocidal Dictator who regularly abuses human rights and silenced anybody who dared speak out against him? You confuse me didn't you say you were the logical one?

It's called the lesser of 2 evils. Utilitarianism, look it up

 

[waraabe]

LMAO @ @Prince of Hobyo mentioning the manifesto group. Members of that group were targeted and many were killed by the USC for being from the wrong clan, while the USC's leader Aided was part of the Kacaan regime. You can't make this stuff up.


@waraabe you're not from "Somalia", your clan won the civil war, you're from the peaceful and prosperous nation of Somaliland, yet you moved to the UK in the 90s after the establishment of this great nation as a damn refugee.

Actually my family used to work abroad well before the war and we had various citizenships. You are acting like everyone came abroad in the 1990s but people used work abroad.

Also puntland region is relatively stable yet you aren't in it lol

 

[Lord Flacko]

LMAO @ @Prince of Hobyo mentioning the manifesto group. Members of that group were targeted and many were killed by the USC for being from the wrong clan, while the USC's leader Aided was part of the Kacaan regime. You can't make this stuff up.


@waraabe you're not from "Somalia", your clan won the civil war, you're from the peaceful and prosperous nation of Somaliland, yet you moved to the UK in the 90s after the establishment of this great nation as a damn refugee.

The USC was created and led by many from the Manifesto Group.

Shit the Manifesto group had people that were a part of the Kacaan Regime too. Too bad it turned to shit

 

[Duchess]

Actually my family used to work abroad well before the war and we had various citizenships. You are acting like everyone came abroad in the 1990s but people used work abroad.

Also puntland region is relatively stable yet you aren't in it lol

You weren't born in the west, you moved there post-1991 after the establishment of Somaliland. Why?

My clan has been targeted since 1969 and we "lost" in 1991 so I have a reason to be here. You don't.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Ask @Prince of Hobyo although he's now gone back to the narrative of a destroyed Somalia strangely enough

Nigga you've been jumping narratives here. My only narrative has been that I believe Barre was a bad President.

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[Duchess]

The USC was created and led by many from the Manifesto Group.

Shit the Manifesto group had people that were a part of the Kacaan Regime too. Too bad it turned to shit

The establishment of the USC predated the Manifesto group, the USC killed signatories of the Manifesto, and the USC's leader was a Kacaan waterboy well into the 80s. Go google around and come back when you're more informed.

 

[waraabe]

You weren't born in the west, you moved there post-1991 after the establishment of Somaliland. Why?

My clan has been targeted since 1969 and we "lost" in 1991 so I have a reason to be here. You don't.

I am an economic migrant.

That is a weak excuse tho, your region is very stable now so you can return

 

[waraabe]

To be fair to USC they took the revenge SNM was too gutless to take. I admire that about USC

 

[Duchess]

I am an economic migrant.

That is a weak excuse tho, your region is very stable now so you can return

Stop lying. You know damn well you came as a refugee. You're a grown ass man, why are you still in the west and not in the great nation of Somaliland?

My family isn't from Puntland and left Somalia in the 1970s when members of your clan were at the frontlines in the war against my people.

 

[Bahal]

Nigga you've been jumping narratives here. My only narrative has been that I believe Barre was a bad President.

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Barre was a deeply flawed president, but that's not what we were arguing.

You're assigning the blame of what became of post-Siad Somalia on Siad himself.



If Meles Zenawi decided to JUST Ethiopia after Mengistu, who on earth would blame Mengistu? Literally within months of each other, both guys overthrew their dictators.

One consolidated control like literally every single other victorious rebel and ruled until his death, the other guy fucked his shit up so bad he died during an intra sacad gun battle in Mogadishu.

Idi Amin got wrecked by Museveni, Mengistu by Meles, Siad by Aideed, Hutu Power by Kagame etc.

Yet only one of these guys decided to go on a rampage instead of ruling like everyone else.