No Xishood having Xalimo holds a burping contest with her racially ambiguous ajnabi boyfriend

[CangeeroBear]

The delusional @VixR who expects the somali community to change for her lifestyle choices.

@Ferrari she expected to go on the internet and find a bunch of pro khanis, pro and anti male guys but instead met some geeljires.

 

[Abdalla]

Those that are accusing me of copying and pasting. Yes I am and why? Because my mere opinion is not valid. The opinion of scholars and muftis on the issue is more important which is what you lot should be focusing on.

Scholar Abdallah here thinks he can offer fatwas using his own understanding of a hadith. He is using deduction which is not allowed for a layman.

'If that is the case than that means...'

It is not your place to tell people what this means or that means. Leave it to the scholars. Which is why i've repeatedly asked you for scholarly opinion and you have provided me with none. Only a hadith which you preceed to add your own opinion to the meaning.

You were given the scholarly opinion by @Karim when he said all the madhaahib-except for Malik- hold that opinion. Unless you want us to copy and paste articles from google. We gave you the hadeeth, the logical background (i.e to whom is the diya paid, to himself?). All you did was come with silly questions as will he enter hell or paradise? But but but smoking is haram and theres no hudud law for that. And 'just because theres no consequences doeant mean it is halal

Spend some years on the hard floor of the masajid instead of shopping for fatawa.

 

[The alchemist]

Intent? That is for Allah to judge.

Well, here is the problem. So if you are saying that men are free to chose to kill their daughters based on their selfish needs or lunacy without any worldly consequences, then why do we not then advocate for a free society where no crime gets punished, because Allah is going to judge us accordingly anyway?

 

[sigmund]

Even then it will be unlawful for the father to take the law into his own hands.

Only the state can issue hadood.

yes that's what I am kinda referring to but I'm sure if the father did the killing he wouldn't be punished by Allah since it does say to kill these sort of people

 

[CangeeroBear]

You were given the scholarly opinion by @Karim when he said all the madhaahib-except for Malik- hold that opinion. Unless you want us to copy and paste articles from google. We gave you the hadeeth, the logical background (i.e to whom is the diya paid, to himself?). All you did was come with silly questions as will he enter hell or paradise? But but but smoking is haram and theres no hudud law for that. And 'just because theres no consequences doeant mean it is halal

Spend some years on the hard floor of the masajid instead of shopping for fatawa.

She selectively quotes islam and twists it for her benefit.I saw someone mention promiscuous women and she immediately engaged in whataboutism.

 

[Gooney112]

Mostly from Islamqa which is more hanbali
And islamqa.org which is hanafi.
Both reputable sites.

This is the hanafi opinion:

From the aforementioned ahadith we can derive that if a father killed his son intentionally then the sin the father will receive will be very grave and the consequences in the Hereafter will be severe.

Here is the link:
islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/88162

If you read this fatwa. The scholar is of the opinion the father must pay diya.

But my argument is that every fatwa i have read on the issue all highlighted that killing your child for whatever reason is considered morally reprehensible regardless of the whether the father has to pay diyaa or not.

I think anyone who has a holistic knowledge of Islam can see that murdering your child is despicable.

I agree. Even outside religion killing your own blood is extremely hard thing to even consider when you think about it. This whole debate is crazy tbh

 

[HalimaJ]

Intent? That is for

You were given the scholarly opinion by @Karim when he said all the madhaahib-except for Malik- hold that opinion. Unless you want us to copy and paste articles from google. We gave you the hadeeth, the logical background (i.e to whom is the diya paid, to himself?). All you did was come with silly questions as will he enter hell or paradise? But but but smoking is haram and theres no hudud law for that. And 'just because theres no consequences doeant mean it is halal

Spend some years on the hard floor of the masajid instead of shopping for fatawa.

Walaal no one is disputing with whether the father has to pay diyaa

Not paying diyaa is not an indication of whether something is permissable or not.

In fact some of the scholars that I have posted actually agreed with the fact that a father does not have to pay, yet they argue that he will still be severly punished in the akhira and it is a major sin.

You either have low IQ and an inability to understand points or you are just trying to be difficult.

Please provide proof that it is not a sin. I understand your point that he does not have to pay diyaa, but that has nothing to do with permissability.

 

[Abdalla]

Well, here is the problem. So if you are saying that men are free to chose to kill their daughters based on their selfish needs or lunacy without any worldly consequences, then why do we not then advocate for a free society where no crime gets punished, because Allah is going to judge s accordingly anyway?

I did not say daughters, I said children. Both daughters and sons.

We,humans, judge based on actions not intentions. People are not free to do what they want. If you kill someone you will face the retaliatory actions. However a man that takes the lives of his children walks away freely. Thus indicating that he has extra rights over his children compared to others.

 

[HalimaJ]

I actually feel blessed that most of the Somali guys I know in real life are completely normal. Makes me appreciate them even more.

You lot are actually really scary. To think that we have faraaxs walking thinking that killing women and calling them hos and slags is acceptable behaviour??

 

[Abdalla]

She selectively quotes islam and twists it for her benefit.I saw someone mention promiscuous women and she immediately engaged in whataboutism.

Her fantasy of marrying an ex con crushed as she realised that it can cost her her life lol

 

[Abdalla]

Walaal no one is disputing with whether the father has to pay diyaa

Not paying diyaa is not an indication of whether something is permissable or not.

In fact some of the scholars that I have posted actually agreed with the fact that a father does not have to pay, yet they argue that he will still be severly punished in the akhira and it is a major sin.

You either have low IQ and an inability to understand points or you are just trying to be difficult.

Please provide proof that it is not a sin. I understand your point that he does not have to pay diyaa, but that has nothing to do with permissability.

Give me an example of an action that is severely punished if person A does it but not if it is done by person B?

 

[Jake from State Farm]

I actually feel blessed that most of the Somali guys I know in real life are completely normal. Makes me appreciate them even more.

You lot are actually really scary. To think that we have faraaxs walking thinking that killing women and calling them hos and slags is acceptable behaviour??

The only time execution will be needed

 

[Marquis]

I actually feel blessed that most of the Somali guys I know in real life are completely normal. Makes me appreciate them even more.

You lot are actually really scary. To think that we have faraaxs walking thinking that killing women and calling them hos and slags is acceptable behaviour??

don't worry, I may not have the profile picture no more but I still got #AbdiExit running through my veins. you won't see me anywhere near a Xalimo.

 

[CangeeroBear]

I actually feel blessed that most of the Somali guys I know in real life are completely normal. Makes me appreciate them even more.

You lot are actually really scary. To think that we have faraaxs walking thinking that killing women and calling them hos and slags is acceptable behaviour??

so Killing women and calling them hoes are equivalent?

We obviously dont tell random somali girls our view of women lol.Guys hide their thoughts but inside if your fucking around we call you a hoe.

 

[Gooney112]

I actually feel blessed that most of the Somali guys I know in real life are completely normal. Makes me appreciate them even more.

You lot are actually really scary. To think that we have faraaxs walking thinking that killing women and calling them hos and slags is acceptable behaviour??

The change is happening quicker than even I expected. You guys are all crazy......it always starts like this.

 

[HalimaJ]

Give me an example of an action that is severely punished if person A does it but not if it is done by person B?

Who said it is not punishable? Just because a parent does not have to pay diyaa in this world according to some scholars does not mean there is no punishement.

Every post I have posted indicated they will be severly punished in the hereafter. As muslims we believe that hell is the worst punishment.

I'm waiting for scholarly proof that is not a sin from you. Since you are a laymen you cannot provide a logical background. No one is interested in your own logic

We cannot use our own deductions and logic, what scholar believes it isn't a sin? Thats all i'm waiting for.

Not one post proved that a father is allowed to honor kill. I want to see a reputable Mufti stating such an action is acceptable in the sharia NOT your own conclusions.

 

[HalimaJ]

so Killing women and calling them hoes are equivalent?

We obviously dont tell random somali girls our view of women lol.Guys hide their thoughts but inside if your fucking around we call you a hoe.

And they say men are the logical gender.

I feel like i'm talking to intellectually deficient individuals. Where have I mentioned that calling them hoes is equivalent or the same as killing them?

Can you please highlight the relevent part. You'll get 5 points.

 

[VixR]

Yooo We may disagree, but you disagree with fax. I mean, how can you dismiss that? You should respond with arguments next time. And i don't understand how u qashin against logic? I may not know you in real life, but i have this image in my head about you, and your response gives me more and more assurance in my ability to accurately evaluate people.

Sure, if you say so. I’ve already responded to downright carbon copies of your post, so you could read through the thread and get a pretty clear representation of my stance that way.

It’s pointless to rehash when I can already see you’re blind to it. I can understand that to some extent, only because it took developing a certain level of indifference before I was objective enough to painstakingly observe it for what it is.

 

[HalimaJ]

Her fantasy of marrying an ex con crushed as she realised that it can cost her her life lol

Lol, I have no intention of marrying an ex con nor do I approve of such a union. I believe the idea of a woman marrying a man that neither provides or benefits her unnatural.

Even if i was the type, alhamdulliah my father is not an immoral individual. He actually fears God.

 

[World]

You were given the scholarly opinion by @Karim when he said all the madhaahib-except for Malik- hold that opinion. Unless you want us to copy and paste articles from google. We gave you the hadeeth, the logical background (i.e to whom is the diya paid, to himself?). All you did was come with silly questions as will he enter hell or paradise? But but but smoking is haram and theres no hudud law for that. And 'just because theres no consequences doeant mean it is halal

Spend some years on the hard floor of the masajid instead of shopping for fatawa.

It's haram to kill an innocent soul, let alone a Muslim. Honour killings are haram in Islam. This debate is ridiculous.