Northern guy visits Mogadishu

[embarassing]

Here let me help you.


Another important effect of colonialism was that the different administrations of the Italians and the British indirectly encouraged the formation of different colonial identities. Older informants in the north-west distinguished the ‘British’ from the ‘Italian’ system. The former was generally connected with ‘law and order’, while the latter allegedly was characterised by ‘corruption’. Moreover, common experiences in school, which involved learning some English or Italian, and being subject to or part of the administration (in the case of civil servants), fostered an understanding of being a ‘northerner’ (the British Protectorate) or a ‘southerner’ (the Italian sphere).167


These social and cultural differences complemented the differences between the two ‘styles’ of colonialism in northern and southern Somalia (Prunier 2010). They became obvious after independence (see below), when many northerners came to the south, to Mogadishu, as part of the new government or in search of work or education. The southerners could not always easily accept those from the north (Luling 1976: 503).


I heard that the nickname for northerners was Soomaali khaldan, meaning ‘wrong Somalis’. Xasan Ciise Jaamac, who went to Mogadishu as a student in the mid-1960s explained: ‘Our Somaliland identity came up when we went to the south. When we went to Xamar [Mogadishu] we found out that we were different, that we also had a different dialect. When we were at Sheekh [in one of the two secondary schools of the protectorate in the 1950s] all of us were from the north; back then our identities were related to being “from Laascaanood”, “from Ceerigaabo”, “from Hargeysa” and so forth’ (interview with Xasan Ciise Jaamac, Hargeysa 09.10.2004). These dynamics aptly illustrate the constructivist position in social anthropological identity research that identity is a relational phenomenon.

What does this have to do with all of those bizarre claims you made? The only difference mentioned here is the accent/dialect of people from Woqooyi vs Xamar which is well known.

 

[Mokillem]

Than how come Warsangali and Dolbahante are closer to Isaaq in culture than their Harti brothers to the east despite sharing the same borders?



https://www.researchgate.net/public...te_and_Identity_Formation_in_Northern_Somalia

The Isaaq are no different from the other Somalis, they all have the same culture.Although border regions are different wa

Here let me help you.


Another important effect of colonialism was that the different administrations of the Italians and the British indirectly encouraged the formation of different colonial identities. Older informants in the north-west distinguished the ‘British’ from the ‘Italian’ system. The former was generally connected with ‘law and order’, while the latter allegedly was characterised by ‘corruption’. Moreover, common experiences in school, which involved learning some English or Italian, and being subject to or part of the administration (in the case of civil servants), fostered an understanding of being a ‘northerner’ (the British Protectorate) or a ‘southerner’ (the Italian sphere).167


These social and cultural differences complemented the differences between the two ‘styles’ of colonialism in northern and southern Somalia (Prunier 2010). They became obvious after independence (see below), when many northerners came to the south, to Mogadishu, as part of the new government or in search of work or education. The southerners could not always easily accept those from the north (Luling 1976: 503).


I heard that the nickname for northerners was Soomaali khaldan, meaning ‘wrong Somalis’. Xasan Ciise Jaamac, who went to Mogadishu as a student in the mid-1960s explained: ‘Our Somaliland identity came up when we went to the south. When we went to Xamar [Mogadishu] we found out that we were different, that we also had a different dialect. When we were at Sheekh [in one of the two secondary schools of the protectorate in the 1950s] all of us were from the north; back then our identities were related to being “from Laascaanood”, “from Ceerigaabo”, “from Hargeysa” and so forth’ (interview with Xasan Ciise Jaamac, Hargeysa 09.10.2004). These dynamics aptly illustrate the constructivist position in social anthropological identity research that identity is a relational phenomenon.

dialect varies across Somali weyn. Northerners in Bari were the same when they went south. Although there was a sense of connection with northerners that quickly changed in Somalia , that was most evident when dhulbahanti attacked Isaaq with the help of Ogaden and Marexan.Where was the northern brotherhood with tukeh etc? The simple answer is there was none.

 

[xisaabiye]

lmao as if Isaaq and Harti have different cultures to begin with. Im not going to read that long paper by some random white guy. Can you explain to us the distinct culture you're saying these clans have?
People share similarity as a whole to the people their closest to geographically that doesn't end at the borders you wish to believe in. The Somalis on the furthermost borders of Somaliweyn who live near Oromo or Kenyan tribes will have some similarities with them other Somalis who don't border them won't. Overall Somali culture is the same throughout.

North & South have completely different customs & traditions when it comes to marriage, reconciliation, foods, words/grammar & speech mannerisms, gabay, role of elders, entertainment(dances).

 

[embarassing]

North & South have completely different customs & traditions when it comes to marriage, reconciliation, foods, words/grammar & speech mannerisms, gabay, role of elders, entertainment(dances).

There is no simple north and south as much as you'd like to convince yourself of that. Nomadic clans that border each other share similarities and it doesn't end at the borders you or anyone wants to believe in as far as ethnic Somalis. The same way you want to use people from Xamar and Benadir is unique compared to the rest of Southern Somalia, which is why I mentioned city dwellers vs nomads whom there isn't much of a difference with. Someone can compare the difference between warsangeli vs samaroon. The differences with ethnic Somalis are miniscule and the fact that you need to compare gabay styles and ignore that all Somalis have gabay as part of their culture just goes to show how petty and desperate you're being. Yes there will be some small differences because of the size of the land we occupy but it is the same culture, its comes with being a nation and not the inhabitants of a single village. Its the exact same language and any word you can think of that is different is not Somali in origin, its a loan word from another language.

Idk who you guys are trying to fool with this argument its laughable tbh. If you have a different political belief that you want to get across use valid arguments don't make things up.

 

[Foreman]

What does this have to do with all of those bizarre claims you made? The only difference mentioned here is the accent/dialect of people from woqooyi vs Xamar which is well known.

This reminds me when Warabe said "A kid born in Jigjiga is closer to me than a kid born in Xamar"

Southerns regarded the Somali kid in Jigjiga as a Habashi and it become a running joke. Even though genetically, culturally, linguistically the kid born in Jigjiga is Somali.

How times have changed.

 

[xisaabiye]

There is no simple north and south as much as you'd like to convince yourself of that. Nomadic clans that border each other share similarities and it doesn't end at the borders you or anyone wants to believe in as far as ethnic Somalis. The same way you want to use people from Xamar and Benadir is unique compared to the rest of Southern Somalia, which is why I mentioned city dwellers vs nomads whom there isn't much of a difference with. Someone can compare the difference between warsangeli vs samaroon. The differences with ethnic Somalis are miniscule and the fact that you need to compare gabay styles and ignore that all Somalis have gabay as part of their culture just goes to show how petty and desperate you're being. Yes there will be some small differences because of the size of the land we occupy but it is the same culture, its comes with being a nation and not the inhabitants of a single village. Its the exact same language and any word you can think of that is different is not Somali in origin, its a loan word from another language.

Idk who you guys are trying to fool with this argument its laughable tbh. If you have a different political belief that you want to get across use valid arguments don't make things up.

You're a joke, you probably can't even string together a coherent proper somali sentence and you want to talk to me about differences in culture and sub culture. Typical zoo animal traits. How are you going to so boldly lie and say "any word that you can think of that is different is not somali". Fokin arrogant ppl, humble yourself before I humble you.

 

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