Oromos came from Somalis

[Apollo]

I had this idea for a while and what cemented it for me was the lack of Omotic ancestry in Somalis while it was present at ~15% in other people in the horn.

@Apollo is ALEC also the main component in Xabasha, Wolayta? Is it above 50% in any non Cushitic peoples?

Ironically, the Somaloid component.

Cushites pushed the Omotics into a small corner of Ethiopia. The Yemenites did not have as much of an impact later on.

 

[World]

I had this idea for a while and what cemented it for me was the lack of Omotic ancestry in Somalis while it was present at ~15% in other people in the horn.

@Apollo is ALEC also the main component in Xabasha, Wolayta? Is it above 50% in any non Cushitic peoples?

I believe that the Habeshas are 65-70 % ALEC as well.

 

[James Dahl]

Somalis are the closest to Ancestral Lowland East Cushites. All the other ones have changed into something else.

Well yeah but remember Oromos absorbed tons and tons of tribes when they conquered Ethiopia. The modern Oromo nation and the original Oromo nation are different. Somalis also clearly absorbed tribes too.

 

[Apollo]

Well yeah but remember Oromos absorbed tons and tons of tribes when they conquered Ethiopia. The modern Oromo nation and the original Oromo nation are different. Somalis also clearly absorbed tribes too.

Nobody lived in Somalia before Somalis.

Somalis carry less than 1% (most 0%) of the Mota genome (old school proto-Omotic Ethiopian from 4,500 YBP).

 

[James Dahl]

Nobody lived in Somalia before Somalis.

Somalis carry less than 1% (most 0%) of the Mota genome (old school proto-Omotic Ethiopia from 4,500 YBP).

Yes that's true however not every clan that is currently Somali was originally Somali, the southern conquest under the Ajuuraan dynasty brought many related people into the Somali nation through conquest, and many others, some related, some totally different like Argobbas, were brought into the Somali nation by adoption after the devastation of the Futux alXabasha.

The Somali nation over the last thousand years has grown considerably and conquered a lot of new territory.

 

[Marquis]

Yes that's true however not every clan that is currently Somali was originally Somali, the southern conquest under the Ajuuraan dynasty brought many related people into the Somali nation through conquest, and many others, some related, some totally different like Argobbas, were brought into the Somali nation by adoption after the devastation of the Futux alXabasha.

The Somali nation over the last thousand years has grown considerably and conquered a lot of new territory.

what Somali clan have they been assimilated into?

 

[James Dahl]

what Somali clan have they been assimilated into?

Argobba people still exist in tiny communities along the edge of the highlands but many of them have become Oromo or Somali or Amhara or Afar over the centuries. They used to have their own kingdom back in the old days, the Sultanate of Shawa. Sheekhaal were originally a clan of the nation that would later become the Argobba and part of the Harari nations, the Gabala people or people of the mountains.

 

[AfranQallo]

Argobba people still exist in tiny communities along the edge of the highlands but many of them have become Oromo or Somali or Amhara or Afar over the centuries. They used to have their own kingdom back in the old days, the Sultanate of Shawa. Sheekhaal were originally a clan of the nation that would later become the Argobba and part of the Harari nations, the Gabala people or people of the mountains.

Argobbas haven’t been assimilated by Somalis. They don’t even border one another. They’ve been absorbed into the Ittu Oromo in western Hararge, Wallo Muslim Amhara population and Afars. Their land is north east Shawa, Wallo, some Afar and north west hararge.

You can tell an Argobba, and they don’t look Somali one bit.

 

[James Dahl]

Argobbas haven’t been assimilated by Somalis. They don’t even border one another. They’ve been absorbed into the Ittu Oromo in western Hararge, Wallo Muslim Amhara population and Afars. Their land is north east Shawa, Wallo, some Afar and north west hararge.

You can tell an Argobba, and they don’t look Somali in me bit.

Yes Argobba are the descendants of Muslim Aksumites, who broke away from the Christian kingdom during the turbulent times after the 8th century, they are a Xabash people.
What is now the southern Afar region used to be Somali territory, the Afar conquered this area in the 17th century from the Imam of Awsa and refounded it as the Afar Sultanate of Aussa. Somali used to border all of Argobba lands to the east. They used to have one continuous Argobba territory but now are split into a northern and southern area.

Argobba are the most reduced people, a once great kingdom now almost gone.

 

[aydurus abdi]

Oromos never lived anywhere in Somalia prior to the Somalis.

Oromos are even newcomers to central Ethiopia that tried to expand to northern Somalia after the weakening of Adal Sultanate and they managed to conquer Hararghe which was previously inhabited by Somalis.

They tried to expand to southern Somalia but luckily the powerful Ajuran Sultanate managed to successfully repel their migration.

rahanwen are actually descendants of those oromos who stayed and converted to islam. they were specifically from arsi oromo clan.

 

[Factz]

rahanwen are actually descendants of those oromos who stayed and converted to islam. they were specifically from arsi oromo clan.

Bullshit. Oromos never lived in southern Somalia and Rahanweyn are pure Somalis that diverged into their own unique Somali dialect after separating from Somalis in the 1st century.

By the way, Arsi Oromos never existed or lived in modern-day Arsi zone until the 16th century.

 

[YourBroMoe]

Those who achieve merits can get it too.

I'm good tbh. I wanna stay lowkey fam.

 

[munira]

Argobba people still exist in tiny communities along the edge of the highlands but many of them have become Oromo or Somali or Amhara or Afar over the centuries. They used to have their own kingdom back in the old days, the Sultanate of Shawa. Sheekhaal were originally a clan of the nation that would later become the Argobba and part of the Harari nations, the Gabala people or people of the mountains.

Lol sheekhaal never came from argobba after the conquest of Abyssinia. stop spreading false information.

 

[James Dahl]

Lol sheekhaal never came from argobba after the conquest of Abyssinia. stop spreading false information.

Sheekhaal claim descent from Abadir. They were adopted into Hiraab they are Martiile Hiraab, literally "guests"

 

[Factz]

Sheekhaal claim descent from Abadir. They were adopted into Hiraab they are Martiile Hiraab, literally "guests"

Fairytale Arab daddy myths doesn't prove anything. It's been proven Somali lineages were Arabized during the 10th century after becoming prominent Muslims and establishing closer ties with Arabs.

Sheekhaal are dark skinned people with Somali phenotype while Argobba are lighter with Amhara phenotype.

This is how Sheekhaal people look like.

This is how Argobba people look like.

 

[Fang4]

I'm good tbh. I wanna stay lowkey fam.

Me too

 

[aydurus abdi]

Bullshit. Oromos never lived in southern Somalia and Rahanweyn are pure Somalis that diverged into their own unique Somali dialect after separating from Somalis in the 1st century.

By the way, Arsi Oromos never existed or lived in modern-day Arsi zone until the 16th century.

then how come 20% of somalis in somalia belong to the e-v2881 subclade, which is a common hg in oromos? digil& mirifle make up 20 % of somalis in somalia. Also look at the map of shabelle and juba river. and look at where both groups of arsi and rahanwen live. The migration route makes sense tbh.

 

[munira]

Fairytale Arab daddy myths doesn't prove anything. It's been proven Somali lineages were Arabized during the 10th century after becoming prominent Muslims and establishing closer ties with Arabs.

Sheekhaal are dark skinned people with Somali phenotype while Argobba are lighter with Amhara phenotype.

This is how Sheekhaal people look like.

This is how Argobba people look like.

Do you have sheekhaal in you?

 

[Young Popeye]

Yes Argobba are the descendants of Muslim Aksumites, who broke away from the Christian kingdom during the turbulent times after the 8th century, they are a Xabash people.
What is now the southern Afar region used to be Somali territory, the Afar conquered this area in the 17th century from the Imam of Awsa and refounded it as the Afar Sultanate of Aussa. Somali used to border all of Argobba lands to the east. They used to have one continuous Argobba territory but now are split into a northern and southern area.

Argobba are the most reduced people, a once great kingdom now almost gone.

Stop ruining history, the southern afar region was under harari imam's until mudaito's took over.
"Early in the 18th century an Asaimara group, the
Mudaito, overthrew the Harari imams who had occupied
the southern Afar region since 1577. The Mudaito chief
Kedafu (r. c. 1734 –1749) established a sultanate in Aussa" Encyclopedia of African history and culture. http://31.210.87.4/ebook/pdf/Encyclopedia_of_African_History_and_Culture.pdf

 

[James Dahl]

Muhammed Jaasa and his dynasty was not Harari, they were the last iteration of the Adal Sultanate, they were Somali. He was Sultan of Harar, but the Sultanate of Harar was a Somali sultanate, not a Harari Sultanate. The Hararis would not assert rule over their city until the Emirate broke away from Jaasa's descendants.