Pharaoh Is Incorrect

[TheLand]

The ‘F’ sound in ‘Pharoah’ is incorrect and is the Greek/Roman/Arabic way of pronouncing the title. The Egyptians pronounced it something like ‘Para/Paro’ with an ceyn sound after the ‘Par’. The meaning is said to be ‘Great house’ similar to how administrations in America or edicts from the president are said to come from ‘the White House’. Interestingly, this has the exact same form and meaning as the Somali/Cushitic ‘Bar-Caan’ which would similarly mean ‘famous house’ or ‘great house’. This makes a lot more sense in light of the recent theory of a Cushitic substrata in the Ancient Egyptian language. There is a chance that the word ‘caan’ could be an Arabic loan word which would make this theory moot but I haven’t seen any evidence of that so far. @Webb

 

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Why doesn’t it count? Let’s not get sidetracked here sxb, I’m referring to the etymology of a specific word here and it’s possible links to an east cushitic language (ie Somali) substrata within the ancient Egyptian language. It is well documented.

I suggest you read and educate yourself. This isn’t the same old empty speculation. This will probably become accepted theory soon.

Possible Linguistic Evidence for Egyptian’s Arrival from the West and Subsequent Absorption of Cushitic Speakers: A Tentative Reconstruction within Afroasiatic, Based on a Reanalysis of Ancient Egyptian for Auxiliary Verbs

This blogpost is part of an ongoing research project reanalyzing Ancient Egyptian for auxiliary verbs. It expands on ideas presented at the ...

egyptianhistoricallinguistics.blogspot.com

 

[NidarNidar]

Why doesn’t it count? Let’s not get sidetracked here sxb, I’m referring to the etymology of a specific word here and it’s possible links to an east cushitic language (ie Somali) substrata within the ancient Egyptian language. It is well documented.

I suggest you read and educate yourself. This isn’t the same old empty speculation. This will probably become accepted theory soon.

Some of us have made the same conclusions, in older topics, history is truly fascinating.

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[Maakhri2024]

This makes a lot more sense in light of the recent theory of a Cushitic substrata in the Ancient Egyptian language.

If you study these ancient languages you will be amazed at the large number of Cushitic layers they contain.

I was very surprised, in studying the ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Hebrew and Aramaic languages, to discover the great extent of the Cushitic substrata present in these ancient languages.

 

[TheLand]

If you study these ancient languages you will be amazed at the large number of Cushitic layers they contain.

I was very surprised, in studying the ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Hebrew and Aramaic languages, to discover the great extent of the Cushitic substrata present in these ancient languages.

Seems like they are changing the goalposts. They are only now recognizing this and this theory (Cushitic substratum) seems very new. It’s not new to Somali speakers though. I was readying that they said the Medjay warriors of Egypt were also Cushitic pastoralists. I think over time they will conclude that there was no difference between ‘Cushitic’ culture and ancient Egyptian. They seem clearly reluctant but the momentum is headed that way.

 

[Maakhri2024]

Seems like they are changing the goalposts. They are only now recognizing this and this theory (Cushitic substratum) seems very new. It’s not new to Somali speakers though. I was readying that they said the Medjay warriors of Egypt were also Cushitic pastoralists. I think over time they will conclude that there was no difference between ‘Cushitic’ culture and ancient Egyptian. They seem clearly reluctant but the momentum is headed that way.

it was my conculatian walaal. if you study ancient egyptian language you will be amazed how close it is to our language .
We simply need a fresh look at how to correctly read hieroglyphic letters and pronounce words correctly, with the help of speakers of Cushitic languages, especially the Somali language.

 

[NidarNidar]

Seems like they are changing the goalposts. They are only now recognizing this and this theory (Cushitic substratum) seems very new. It’s not new to Somali speakers though. I was readying that they said the Medjay warriors of Egypt were also Cushitic pastoralists. I think over time they will conclude that there was no difference between ‘Cushitic’ culture and ancient Egyptian. They seem clearly reluctant but the momentum is headed that way.

I remember reading a very old Egyptologist book, I can't recall its name, but it mentioned Egypt was broken into many different clans, which were unified by 1 king, the Medjay were one of those clans, they were a semi-nomadic clan, who were absorbed into Egyptian society eventually the term became the equivalent of paramilitary police.

Linguist and cultural evidence points towards the Beja as the Medjay or a part of it, they also lived in Lower and Middle Nubia, the most common Y DNA of the Beja is haplogroup 52% E-V12 38% J-M267, the remaining are a mix of T, R, A, B.

 

[Shimbiris]

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This is unfair in the context of Horners and Somalis. Most of our MENA ancestry is actually from pre-historic Egypt and given our dominant Y-DNA having basal carriers from Upper Egypt and Nablus (probably Masri in ancestral origin), even our paternal roots seem to trace back to around Bronze or Copper Age Egypt. Not to mention the recent apparent discovery of likely East Cushitic substrata in AE and the fact that even without this we belong to the same region and language family as these people and share many customs with them our ancestors likely got from the time they were likely in Nubia.

It is not Hotepism when Horners and North-Sudanese discuss these subjects. Egypt is a part of our real heritage, pre-historically and to some extent even historically.

 

[TheLand]

I remember reading a very old Egyptologist book, I can't recall its name, but it mentioned Egypt was broken into many different clans, which were unified by 1 king, the Medjay were one of those clans, they were a semi-nomadic clan, who were absorbed into Egyptian society eventually the term became the equivalent of paramilitary police.

Linguist and cultural evidence points towards the Beja as the Medjay or a part of it, they also lived in Lower and Middle Nubia, the most common Y DNA of the Beja is haplogroup 52% E-V12 38% J-M267, the remaining are a mix of T, R, A, B.

Yep, but in those Mummy movies the Medjai are played by white men. We wuz Caucasians?

 

[NidarNidar]

Yep, but in those Mummy movies the Medjai are played by white men. We wuz Caucasians?

OG whitewashing back in the day even though the Beja are 38% J1 nowday, they still carry the same customs and kept their cushitic language.

 

[TheLand]

This is unfair in the context of Horners and Somalis. Most of our MENA ancestry is actually from pre-historic Egypt and given our dominant Y-DNA having basal carriers of Upper Egypt and Nablus (probably Masri in ancestry origin), even our paternal roots seem to trace back to around Bronze or Copper Age Egypt. Not to mention the recent apparent discovery of likely East Cushitic substrata in AE and the fact that even without this we belong to the same region and language family as these people and share many customs with them our ancestry likely got from the time they were likely in Nubia.

It is not Hotepism when Horners and North-Sudanese discuss these subjects. Egypt is a part of our real heritage, pre-historically and to some extent even historically.

It’s interesting, this substrata theory seems to suggest it is mainly verbs and verb-forms which are suspected of being sourced from east Cushitic but if you know even a little bit of Somali you will notice a lot of similarity between nouns as well. For example, the cat goddess Bastet - it is essentially the same as the Somali word for the house cat, bisad. Unless bisad/bastet has some further meaning that is actually some kind of verb, this would seem to me like a clear-cut cushitic noun. If we were to find out it’s actually a cushitic verb to describe a cat or it’s actions, it would be a great example of @Maakhri2024 suggestion that AE (and the cushitic macro language) could actually teach us more about the Somali language and it’s ancient roots.

 

[TheLand]

OG whitewashing back in the day even though the Beja are 38% J1 nowday, they still carry the same customs and kept their cushitic language.

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They were renowned warriors because of their nomadic pastoral culture and the need to protect their herd animals from men and beasts. Very similar to our ancestors in upper Egypt/lower nubia(which seems to be the source of ancient ‘Egyptian’ culture). They would not have been much different than the camel/goat herding Somali nomads known for their violent warfare. No way they could have been cadaan pig farmer jilicsans from god knows where

 

[Varriris]

it was my conculatian walaal. if you study ancient egyptian language you will be amazed how close it is to our language .
We simply need a fresh look at how to correctly read hieroglyphic letters and pronounce words correctly, with the help of speakers of Cushitic languages, especially the Somali language.

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This is unfair in the context of Horners and Somalis. Most of our MENA ancestry is actually from pre-historic Egypt and given our dominant Y-DNA having basal carriers from Upper Egypt and Nablus (probably Masri in ancestral origin), even our paternal roots seem to trace back to around Bronze or Copper Age Egypt. Not to mention the recent apparent discovery of likely East Cushitic substrata in AE and the fact that even without this we belong to the same region and language family as these people and share many customs with them our ancestors likely got from the time they were likely in Nubia.

It is not Hotepism when Horners and North-Sudanese discuss these subjects. Egypt is a part of our real heritage, pre-historically and to some extent even historically.

Mashallah Imagine if we discover macrobian dynasty in ancient egypt