Post independence, Rebel groups, State Collapse and aftermath

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Kun_Ciil said:
@El Nino @Jungle @Step a side @always hungryy @geeljre49 @IKHALIIL @Afar indhood @Hurder

What do you guys think? Was Caydiid in the wrong or was Cali Mahdi in the wrong? I knew Caydiid had an agreement with SNM abdirahman tuur, but here I am reading that he also had an agreement with the SPM as well in not creating a political leadership without coming together and forming a new gov. Was Cali Mahdi in the wrong for jumping the gun in accepting to become the new president of Somalia whilst causing further fragmentation and making enemies of his fellow USC caydiid, SNM and SPM?

I can understand why the Manifesto group supported Cali Mahdi because tbh Caydiid if he became president would've most likely turned into a another military dictator and would've just been groundhog day all over again. However, I can also understand Caydiid's frustration over being usurped after putting in the hard work after relieving his Ambassador post in India In order to lead the USC.

Cali Mahdi imo was a better candidate, but the hasty decision and lack of consultation and mutual consensus is a big part in the chaos that ensued in Xamar over the following years pitting HG and Abgaal against each other.
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Unfortunately Ceydiid AUN was in the wrong. USC founders set up a line of succession which ceydiid failed to abide by

Post in thread '54th Anniversary of the Kacaan'
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/54th-anniversary-of-the-kacaan.173666/post-4175906
 
tyrannicalmanager

tyrannicalmanager

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Duubpon said:
Xuseyn Caydiid also worked alongside the Americans during Gothic Serpent.

Caydiid was definitely not the greatest individual morally but using his son's actions as proof isn't credible.
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Islamic courts weren't allowed to operate in areas controlled by him, I'm wondering which religious war @Yami is referring too?

let's not forget Caydiid love of the indian musrikeen. :russ:
 
Kun_Ciil

Kun_Ciil

tyrannicalmanager said:
Aidid's group opposed the Sharia and his son fought alongside the Ethiopian crusaders.
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This is mentioned as well by the author

In order to reassert their declining powers, the two main warlords desperately looked for new tactics. Ali Mahdi had introduced Islamic Law (Shari'a Courts) in the North Mogadishu area under his control[123] This had two advantages: firstly it gained him a certain amount of conditional support from the Islamist groups, and, secondly, this rather rough-and-ready system of justice managed to curb the high crime level in North Mogadishu, while the situation in non-Islamic South Mogadishu remained chaotic[124] But it also generated opposition, especially when he tried to extend this system to 'allied' SSA areas[125]

This apparent 'Islamist' stance of Ali Mahdi got General Aydeed the sympathy of President Gaddafi, himself the target of more and more frequent radical Islamist plots aiming at his overthrow. The Libyan leader sent money and military experts to South Mogadishu to shore up what he saw as a bulwark against the radical Islamism supported by Saudi Arabia and the Sudan, two countries not on very good terms with Libya[126] The move was denounced by Osman Atto, who, as formal head of USC and informal leader of the anti-Aydeed forces in the region, had in the meantime concluded a tactical alliance with Ali Mahdi.

But neither radical Islam nor Libyan support can act as substitutes for internal balance. The question of who will impose his will is no longer between Ali Mahdi and General Aydeed, as has been the case in the past, but between either (or both) of them and the new political forms which the 'Benadir Authority' has begun to develop
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Itsnotthateasy

Itsnotthateasy

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Duubpon said:
Only one traumatized Isaaq doesn't believe me.

What did you do to @Itsnotthateasy for him to be so paranoid and believe I'm you? :hmm:
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Your crap trolling/writing style gives it away. Same xaar. There are two hawiye alts too at least, probably many lesser alts. Busy man.

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Yami

Yami

Trudeau Must Go #CCP2025
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tyrannicalmanager said:
Islamic courts weren't allowed to operate in areas controlled by him, I'm wondering which religious war @Yami is referring too?

let's not forget Caydiid love of the indian musrikeen. :russ:
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Aidid was very clear he saw his war against a certain clan as a religious war. At the end of the day he was Muslim, may Allah have mercy on him.
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