Puntland Can Gain Independence While Being A Federalist

[SilentE1001]

it's good if PL secedes but it will hit them hard at first as the budgetary support from xamar will cease. the instability of bosaso region and all of the varied groups might be emboldened to fight even more.

Which will further hurt any ecnomic activity and lead to negative growth, in order to build industries domestically and entice FDI and be more connected to the international markets the domestic producers need stability to grow.

I know all of you HATE somaliland but you seen how they came to be, the good and the bad.

watch this video shows a few of the major factories and hear the manager talk about where they supply to and how they started you can learn alot

 

[Prince of HS]

I saw them twice kulaha.

This isn’t something I can lie about. Your acting like I’m the only person who’s been xamar. Go see for yourself. Then again if you go there you’d probably collapse in vain and jealousy how much hag businesses and hustlers are miles ahead of anything that lies in desert barren buntland

 

[Prince of HS]

it's good if PL secedes but it will hit them hard at first as the budgetary support from xamar will cease. the instability of bosaso region and all of the varied groups might be emboldened to fight even more.

Which will further hurt any ecnomic activity and lead to negative growth, in order to build industries domestically and entice FDI and be more connected to the international markets the domestic producers need stability to grow.

I know all of you HATE somaliland but you seen how they came to be, the good and the bad.

watch this video shows a few of the major factories and hear the manager talk about where they supply to and how they started you can learn alot

Somaliland are doing so well without help from somalia. Imagine if you guys were getting the full aid u would have as a cooperating fms. Difference is you guys actually produce and do well on your own. Pl literally has no sufficient revenue as a region let alone to be an independent country

 

[repo]

it's good if PL secedes but it will hit them hard at first as the budgetary support from xamar will cease. the instability of bosaso region and all of the varied groups might be emboldened to fight even more.

Which will further hurt any ecnomic activity and lead to negative growth, in order to build industries domestically and entice FDI and be more connected to the international markets the domestic producers need stability to grow.

I know all of you HATE somaliland but you seen how they came to be, the good and the bad.

watch this video shows a few of the major factories and hear the manager talk about where they supply to and how they started you can learn alot

Puntland doesn’t receive budgetary support from Xamar. We rely on our customs and tax base. I’ve seen you repeat this lie too many times.

Secondly Somaliland has a 70% unemployment rate, these factories are employing no one. The idea that there’s great economic activity in Somaliland is laughable. There’s high inflation and drought like the rest of the Horn.

 

[repo]

This isn’t something I can lie about. Your acting like I’m the only person who’s been xamar. Go see for yourself. Then again if you go there you’d probably collapse in vain and jealousy how much hag businesses and hustlers are miles ahead of anything that lies in desert barren buntland

I don’t care if you’ve seen them twice, that doesn’t negate the fact that 20,000 AMISOM guarantee your safety from Shabaab. Out of sight out of mind, is that what why you are all complacent?

You are not capable of anything so why are you in the conversation with free men?

 

[Prince of HS]

I don’t care if you’ve seen them twice, that doesn’t negate the fact that 20,000 AMISOM guarantee your safety from Shabaab. Out of sight out of mind, is that what why you are all complacent?

You are not capable of anything so why are you in the conversation of free men?

Why do you genuinely think shabaab haven’t tried to do a full scale operation against pl? let’s not fool ourselves. Shabaab need a source of revenue and there’s literally nothing you guys could give them thats how barren your lands are. That’s why they don’t bother with anything north of Galgaduud and focus more on lush green farmlands in the south and tax the farmers. The desert Pl has no money for them to survive on. Don’t flatter yourself mate

 

[Velœcity]

Puntland actually thinks they're more important than they really are. there is literally nothing you guys provide to Somalia or the fgs as of today. If you guys left Somalia right now, there is nothing that the rest of us would lose out on. Nothing productive nor beneficial comes out of that barren wasteland

we serve useful as a model to show you how to run a state liberate your Hutu lands from Al shaytaan then talk

 

[repo]

Why do you genuinely think shabaab haven’t tried to do a full scale operation against pl? let’s not fool ourselves. Shabaab need a source of revenue and there’s literally nothing you guys could give them thats how barren your lands are. That’s why they don’t bother with anything north of Galgaduud and focus more on lush green farmlands in the south and tax the farmers. The desert Pl has no money for them to survive on. Don’t flatter yourself mate

That’s the sorriest excuse yet for 30 years of anarchy.

 

[Prince of HS]

That’s the sorriest excuse yet for 30 years of anarchy.

My city of xamar, my hometown as well as my village are all AS free. This whole 30 year anarchy you keep talking about doesn’t concern me. I’m a free man

 

[Thebluesomali]

Why do you genuinely think shabaab haven’t tried to do a full scale operation against pl? let’s not fool ourselves. Shabaab need a source of revenue and there’s literally nothing you guys could give them thats how barren your lands are. That’s why they don’t bother with anything north of Galgaduud and focus more on lush green farmlands in the south and tax the farmers. The desert Pl has no money for them to survive on. Don’t flatter yourself mate

Another lie. They did try a coastal raid in 2016 with 600 men which is more than the amount they sent to Ogaden recently. Not to mention numerous times trying to set up bases in mountains. Or how we kicked them out of Bosaso. The difference with reer PL is we don't care about qabil, we execute them regardless of who they are. We are effective at taking them out, whereas the central clans cannot say the same. Look at SL do you see them there? You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why so many of your kin support these monsters. Why are they so weak? Why is Northern Somalia able to handle them easily? Why can even Ogaden kick them back?

https://www.voanews.com/a/shabab-coastal-raid-spurs-changes-somali-regional-officials/3299889.html

 

[Rationale]

Bear in mind, these are two Hawiyes we have here, ruled by Uganda and Burundi because they are incapable of ruling themselves.

Look at how far they are removed from reality. These are shameless vermin, you have to be to be in the same condition for 30 years.

You say I'm incapable of ruling myself yet I rule you on paper and since you love us so much, bi'idnillaah we will come and rule you on the ground as well.

 

[Velœcity]

Why do you genuinely think shabaab haven’t tried to do a full scale operation against pl? let’s not fool ourselves. Shabaab need a source of revenue and there’s literally nothing you guys could give them thats how barren your lands are. That’s why they don’t bother with anything north of Galgaduud and focus more on lush green farmlands in the south and tax the farmers. The desert Pl has no money for them to survive on. Don’t flatter yourself mate

Sxb it isnt that, you can make jokes about PL terrain all you want, dhusomareeb and other hutu villages aren’t lush green forests its called galgaduud for a reason.

Al Shaytaan tried multiple times to conquer or even influence PL but failed miserably. They found it rather easy however to conquer poor Hutu villages. They can’t even move weapons without into PL let alone conquer it

The reason is some darood clans like harti never would bow down to Shaytaans as quickly as Hutu southies, they are willing to die then be submissive.

 

[Velœcity]

You say I'm incapable of ruling myself yet I rule you on paper and since you love us so much, bi'idnillaah we will come and rule you on ground the as well.

Sxb your people rotate being mayor in bombdishu let alone beautiful Puntland. Maybe on paper who even cares, you guys don’t do shit without the MJ overlords acceptance. Thats why although we leave you Hutus in the dust by not doing shit for you, we still get substantial amount of aid

 

[Hanna]

Lol what a nice dream.
What makes you think you can secede from Somalia, if Somaliland couldn't do it the last 32 years, which the south was in ruins?

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I want my puntite descendant in 99 years not to be stuck in failed region(Puntland) or stuck in failed nation(Somalia), they can assess the situation on the ground in the south every 25 years(one generation timeline) and make their own rational decision to continue being independent or re-join Somalia. If 99 years treaty expires, they can choose 3 options.

1. Extend the treaty and continue waiting for a federal somalia while being a nation state
2. Cut the cord and say goodbye to the south
3. Rejoin the south

We must think about our future generation and pass on plans to them so they are always winning some-way.

99 years from now u dead boowe maybe next life u come back us galnusmudug state

 

[Rationale]

Ditoore, we will have to maintain our one foot in one foot out policy for a while till these unionist odays die out. In the meantime, we need to educate our youths on their history/culture starting with switching to osmaniya script.

Bunland is immensely valuable. It contributes so much to Xamar's budget and the idea of you leaving us will bankrupt Muqdisho. The Buntites are a hardworking ppl that have built every street in Xamar. What will we ever do without you.

So why do you futo madows always get mad when PL independence is brought up as if you can stop it? There would be no one to babysit your mentally challenged people if we left, this why you can’t get off our nuts.

Blame your retrded cousins who can't keep their 90s ptsd in check. They are discussing Xamar politics everyday of the week, some psychos even celebrate qaraxs. Gotta make them taste their own gypsy xaar.

 

[peacemaker]

Ditoore, we will have to maintain our one foot in one foot out policy for a while till these unionist odays die out. In the meantime, we need to educate our youths on their history/culture starting with switching to osmaniya script.

Bro i genriunly think its best for Puntland to leave this failed shythole land, 80% of the clans in central somalia need to be exterminated in order to eliminate alshabab

why waste another 40 years of civil war and failed state ? what does Puntland gain from being in this mess?

I hope one day Harti and Absame wake up to simply take back Puntland and Jubbaland back to the kingdoms they sued to be before colonial borders under Mj and Ogaden respective leadership

the one doing terrorism, selling expired food, expired medicine, corruption, xaraam are clans from central somalia, why give them 40 more years of our precious life?


@DR OSMAN stop beating around the bush with 99 years crap and be a man and say you want Puntland to get out of this failed shythole fake colonial made country, name me one thing you benefit by being inside somalia ?

PIM and JIM Insha Allah,

 

[Rocktheboat]

If PL is given permission to leave we might actually see a benefit in the rest of Somalia. Most weapons that AS use come from the unsafe pirate region in the north east

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Puntland is 1/3 of somalia puntland should seced from this failed state call somalia

 

[Rationale]

Puntland desperately needs to execute our Plan B option in our constitution

1. Dawladda Puntland waa qayb ka mid ah Soomaaliya, xil ayaana ka saaran hirgelinta Dawlad Soomaaliyeed oo ku dhisan habka Federaaliga ah.

2. Awoodaha Dawladda Puntland ay ku wareejin doonto Dawladda Federaalka ee Soomaaliya iyo xuquuqaha ay yeelanayso Puntland, waxa ay ku imaanayaan wada xaajood iyo heshiis dhexmara Dawladda Federaalka iyo Dawladda Puntland, taas oo lagu qeexi doono Dastuurka Federaalka iyo kan Dawladda Puntland

3. Inta laga dhammaystirayo Dastuur federaal ah oo Puntland wax ka ansixisay ka dibna afti dadweyne lagu meelmariyey, Puntland waxay lahaaneysaa awood Dawlad madaxbannaan.

4. Dawladda Puntland waxaa u bannaanaanaysa in ay dib u eegto arrimaha ku xusan faqradaha 1aad, 2aad iyo 3aad ee isla qodobkan, haddii:

b. Soomaalidu ku heshiin weydo qaab-dhismeed dawladeed oo aan ka hooseyn nidaamka Federaaliga ah.
t. Ay daba dheeraadaan daganaansho la’aanta iyo dagaallada ka aloosan qaybaha kale ee Soomaaliya.

The Puntland constitution says if Somalia instability continues, that we have a 'right' to review our regional membership in Somalia.

Now the question remains in many Puntite people mind how do we go about getting our independence. I think I have found a way that can satisfy our locals whether they are pro union or secessionist.

We need to execute our constitutional law to 'review' PL status in Somalia on the grounds Somalia instability has been on-going since 2004 which is nearly 20 years and federalism hasn't been achieved as intended. This now gives our politicians a constitutional reason to discuss our regional membership in Somalia.

For Puntland to get it's independence we should hold talks with the SFG and demand that Puntland is given 'Independent Nation State' status under SFG constitution and recognized by the SFG for period of 99 years and every 25 years Puntland and the SFG will do a 'review' to see if the south is stable enough for a federal union.

This means we satisfy our local unionist that we will re-join Somalia when it's 'safe to do so', I mean even foreigners hide out in 'containers' in halane not wanting to be nowhere near Mogadishu, so it's silly of our unionist to pressure our people to join such place that is un-stable. We can finally satisfy our 'secessionist' that PL has full nation state status for 99 years and we can pursue our own developmental goals not tied to a dysfunctional capital.

The good thing about my approach is we don't want to throw our 'eggs' all into one basket approach like Somaliland with recognition begging worldwide. I say this because we don't know if in the future Puntland starts to decline or has political problems, so if we leave that small window open of 'rejoining' Somalia when it's 'safe' to do so, this allows us Plan B lifeline, if Puntland doesn't turn out how we wanted. However the great thing is, if the south is still unstable, we didn't waste our time being tied to the HIP and PL can enjoy progressing and developing. So we get to 'eat' our cake 'both' ways which is the best type of political strategy.

The worst political strategy is having one plan like Somaliland and relying on that, you always need another PLAN to revert to if your original plan isn't working. If we do the once every 25 year 'generational' review on the 'south' and if the situation gets better, we will discuss with them our federal rights/duties and their federal rights/duties, but if the south remain how it is, it's no skin of our nose, we can continue enjoying our nation state status and say 'adios' to the south for another 'generational review' in 25 years.

If Mogadishu is how it is in 99 years, then our future generation can decide to cut the 'cord' officially and we would've enjoyed nation state relations and development for 99 years by then and will be welcomed into the international community.

So this is the best approach now for my Beloved Puntland. Our local unionist will be happy that we will re-join a FUNCTIONING Somalia under a 'federal system'. Our seccesionists will be happy we don't need to be tied to the hip of the dysfunctional capital and enjoy nation state status for 99 years. Plus we get to eat 'both' ways in the event PL fails, we can rejoin the south, in the event the south is failing, we enjoy our independence. That is the 'art' of politics, is to win no matter what side the future goes and that's why 'extreme' solutions or 'one' sided solutions never win the future like HAGS/SNM.

@DR OSMAN You would have to convince a realpolitik practicing western educated HAG like me to get a permission to leave. I would sit there on the table as an advisor to my adeer and listen to your well articulated case. My adeer would then ask me ''what do you think''. I'd take out the receipts show him the statistics and tell him. According to these chart's in few years we over took this massive regions economic output and as we are gaining more stability and control over the core. We can simply buy their loyalty make their politicians sell strategic resources on dirt cheap.

To conclude I'm not convinced on how it benefit's me to give you a permission to leave.