Puntland not part Qoslaya zoo goverment anymore!.

[Abdisamad]

Tbh, we won't really see the effects of this for years now

HSM will keep on with his nepotism, corruptions and useless travelings as the south slowly keep on falling on shabab hands, SL will complete their deal with Ethiopia while PL will eventually become an independent state, this is the way Somalia is heading with hsm in the driving seat.

 

[Zak12]

You sound very biased towards PL, HSM is a failure.. But keep on closing your eyes and be blinded by qabilism.

All of Somalia is a failure. But at least with these new changes, something positive will actually happen.

 

[Zak12]

as the south slowly keep on falling on shabab hands,

The south is already under Al Shabab's control unless you mean Galmudug? Sorry but they have been beaten there for the most part and have yet to every make major gains to take it back

SL will complete their deal with Ethiopia

Dead deal that was condemned by everyone

while PL will eventually become an independent state

Surely even you don't believe this

 

[Abdisamad]

All of Somalia is a failure. But at least with these new changes, something positive will actually happen.

Nothing positive will happen with the changes sxb.. The changes will enable hsm more power, and the country will move towards centralism, this is why PL is concerned, HSM is a complete failure, a good leader would know now is not the time to cause more division in the country, with the shabab treath looming in the South, UAE looking to gain influence, SL Ethiopia deal to access the sea and many more hidden threats against the nation, and of all the things hsm could focus on he focuses on to cause more friction in the country.. If he was a good smart leader he would sit down with his people and discuss his ideas and visions, listen, take advise, adjust and unite his people under an inclusive governance.. But what has he done apart from acting all arrogant while traveling 80-90% of the time to shake hands with foreign leaders and confine himself in villa Somalia, while bribing mps to support his corruption and violations of the constitution?.. What he's doing is very dangerous and could potentially balkanize Somalia.

 

[Abdisamad]

The south is already under Al Shabab's control unless you mean Galmudug? Sorry but they have been beaten there for the most part and have yet to every make major gains to take it back

So why isn't hsm focusing on liberating the south, why is doing useless constitution changes? Is he a governor of muqdisho?

Dead deal that was condemned by everyone

Surely even you don't believe this

Of course I don't want to see a balkanized Somalia, but this is what will happen, if what little is left of the south falls in the hands of the shabab the international community will support SL and PL to become independent countries and eventually the south my end up becoming some kind of UN trusteeship once liberated from the grips of Al shabab.

 

[Zak12]

Nothing positive will happen with the changes sxb.. The changes will enable hsm more power, and the country will move towards centralism, this is why PL is concerned, HSM is a complete failure, a good leader would know now is not the time to cause more division in the country, with the shabab treath looming in the South, UAE looking to gain influence, SL Ethiopia deal to access the sea and many more hidden threats against the nation, and of all the things hsm should focus on he focuses on to cause more friction in the country.. If he was a good leader he would sit down with his people and discuss his ideas and visions, listen, take advise and unite his people under an inclusive governance.. But what has he done apart from acting all arrogant while traveling 80-90% of the time to shake hands with foreign leaders and confine himself in villa Somalia, while bribing mps to support his corruption and violations of the constitution.. What he's doing is very dangerous and could potentially balkanize Somalia.

The changes aren't as divisive as you think. Most federal leaders have already agreed to it. Its literally only PL that is causing tensions.

 

[SamaaleCushite]

stop teasing us nikkas either leave like the halfwits in north or stay. Remember we are in this circle together forever unless ‘hanadyaal’ emerge amongst us.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Nothing positive will happen with the changes sxb.. The changes will enable hsm more power, and the country will move towards centralism, this is why PL is concerned, HSM is a complete failure, a good leader would know now is not the time to cause more division in the country, with the shabab treath looming in the South, UAE looking to gain influence, SL Ethiopia deal to access the sea and many more hidden threats against the nation, and of all the things hsm should focus on he focuses on to cause more friction in the country.. If he was a good leader he would sit down with his people and discuss his ideas and visions, listen, take advise and unite his people under an inclusive governance.. But what has he done apart from acting all arrogant while traveling 80-90% of the time to shake hands with foreign leaders and confine himself in villa Somalia, while bribing mps to support his corruption and violations of the constitution.. What he's doing is very dangerous and could potentially balkanize Somalia.

It's already balkanized internally as their two parralel equal status govts inside Somalia borders. But your right if this continues and PL performs well in this Hong Kong full autonomous status it can allow for an external balkanization arguing their system works plus the south is in turmoil and they can use it as evidence based proof of their performance while in full autonomy to geopolitical nations involved that they won't turn into Eritrea North Korea style dictatorship while arguing they won't rush secession like south Sudan and this two system one nation model will satisfy all geopolitical country interest to wedge their bets in a two system one nation model rather then be in a stalemate for 24 years.

Which ever system proves to work will also force the non performing side to accept concessions whether it's centralism or PL proposed highly autonomous federation model.

Walays xiniyo taabtay, don't worry why U want to be in cold war political stalemate hell. We been cutting ties with the federal govt since 2013 and overthrowing each govt for only something worse to come and this stalemate to continue. This time we can leave each other alone and after 100 years discuss which system worked centralism for south central and Hamar or PL model. This will provide proof for all side, healthy competition, while the international community can do it's role to rebuild rather then encountering political stalemate hell.

 

[Zak12]

So why isn't hsm focusing on liberating the south

That will come in time. Remember that the arms embargo has been lifted recently

Of course I don't want to see a balkanized Somalia, but this is what will happen, if what little is left of the south falls in the hands of the shabab the international community will support SL and PL to become independent countries and eventually the south my end up becoming some kind of UN trusteeship once liberated from the grips of Al shabab.

Sxb, what you just stated is pure fantasy. Al Shabab is incredibly weak and doesn't have the support of any major clan to do such an endeavor. All they are good for is hit and run tactics but no long term military gains. SNA is suffering from low morale, bad leadership and lack of good equipment but once those are taken care of, Shabab is finished.

As for the IC supporting SL and PL, again that is not happening. You think they paid SL and PL any mind when Somalia collapsed in 91 and again in 2006? Mogadishu is the only place that commands respect and authority and America and its allies has spend billions stabilizing Somalia. Why would they allow all that to go down the drain?

 

[Abdisamad]

That will come in time. Remember that the arms embargo has been lifted recently

Lifted arms embargo doesn't mean anything, Somalia is currently a paper state and very broke sxb.. And if things continue like this the arms embargo might reintroduced.

Sxb, what you just stated is pure fantasy. Al Shabab is incredibly weak and doesn't have the support of any major clan to do such an endeavor. All they are good for is hit and run tactics but no long term military gains. SNA is suffering from low morale, bad leadership and lack of good equipment but once those are taken care of, Shabab is finished.

As for the IC supporting SL and PL, again that is not happening. You think they paid SL and PL any mind when Somalia collapsed in 91 and again in 2006? Mogadishu is the only place that commands respect and authority and America and its allies has spend billions stabilizing Somalia. Why would they allow all that to go down the drain?

How will the international community enable hsm dictatorship over SL and PL?

 

[Zak12]

omalia is currently a paper state and very broke sxb..

Its not so broke to not be able to get better weapons than Al-Shabab lol. Literally just having a few helicopters and planes would be a major shift in the war

How will the international community enable hsm dictatorship over SL and PL?

The IC believes the constitutional changes will make Somalia more united. Besides, as much of a rat HSM is, he more than any politician knows how to get on the IC's good side

 

[Zak12]

Somalia is dealing with underwear and sandal wearing hooligans with aks who live in a mostly flat environment with no hiding places. Even fucking cartels from Mexico are far more dangerous and better armed than these jokers lmao

 

[Abdisamad]

Somalia is dealing with underwear and sandal wearing hooligans with aks who live in a mostly flat environment with no hiding places. Even fucking cartels from Mexico are far more dangerous and better armed than these jokers lmao

Those sandal wearing Shabab's could overran villa Somalia at any given moment, thanks to the corrupt hsm government.. The SNA is underpaid, unorganized and demoralized.. But hey atleast hsm get to travel the world and enrich himself and his family with aid money and once the last cards crumple, i. e muqdisho falls, he'll probably pickup his suitcase and claim asylum in a foreign country as a dethroned leader and live a comfortable stress free rich life.

 

[Abdisamad]

@Zak12

Can we even call the south Somali anymore.. Look at this, and hsm is preoccupied with useless travels and constitution changes that'll do more harm than good.. Why do you support this failure? Qabiil?

 

[Zak12]

@Zak12

Can we even call the south Somali anymore.. Look at this, and hsm is preoccupied with useless travels and constitution changes that'll do more harm than good.. Why do you support this failure? Qabiil?

If HSM is a loser, what does that make Farmaajo and all other leaders who couldn't do anything about Al Shabab?

 

[Abdisamad]

If HSM is a loser, what does that make Farmaajo and all other leaders who couldn't do anything about Al Shabab?

Farmajo and other leaders are not in power, did you watch the shabab video closely? They can't even speak Somali. And yes hsm is a useless president and not fit to run a country.

 

[Jungle]

Somalia is dealing with underwear and sandal wearing hooligans with aks who live in a mostly flat environment with no hiding places. Even fucking cartels from Mexico are far more dangerous and better armed than these jokers lmao

Its mad how they seriously argue xamar could be overran by shabab who are at their weakest point lol besides military, police and the intelligence service the city is filled with weapons. What makes them think 3 million people would just roll over. Where would shabag get numbers? So delusionial

 

[Abdisamad]

Its mad how they seriously argue xamar could be overran by shabab who are at their weakest point lol besides military, police and the intelligence service the city is filled with weapons. What makes them think 3 million people would just roll over. Where would shabag get numbers? So delusionial

Even if shabab doesn't overran muqdisho, they're still controlling much of south Somalia and can bomb muqdisho at will.. Do you think holding the government and the leadership accountable for their poor leadership is delusional and laughable? Do you even understand what accountability means?

 

[Abdisamad]

This is truly what is wrong with Somalia and why it would never function, when we have people like @Jungle who doesn't understand simple terms as accountability and responsibility, and thinks running a nation and being responsible for its citizens equals to running a third world village where your subclan is the top dog

 

[Garaad Awal]

You wrong here jeegaan, we lived well without xamar 1988-2006.

PL was formed in 1998. What in the world are you talking about? Delusional and lying in Ramadan is craazy.