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I'm saying Somalis should just protect themselves and their kin and that everyone else is an enemy and always has been. You idea of moral standards seems to be to accept ethnic replacement, the taken of your ancestral land and the destruction of your raceI am glad you understand that Sweden and Somalia shouldn’t have the same moral standards.
Do you think that Somalia and stateless Oromos and Afars should have the same moral standard?
Oromos have replaced most of the Amhara and Tigray elite in the goverment, the OLA is allowed to ethnically cleanse Amharas with impudently, while Abiy doesn't bat an eye, yeah sure some Oromo may dislike Abiy but when it comes down to it, he has elevated the statues of all Oromos in Ethiopia and has bolstered this narrative that Ethiopia belongs to them. Why do you think thousands of amhara who believed in "Ethiopianimo" have suddenly joined FANO and stop believing the Frankenstein project of a nation called Ethiopia?Ethiopia isn’t an Oromo country, most Oromos hate Abiy Ahmed.
Simple fact that you could’ve googled.
Also, your Djibouti history is very incorrect. Many Somalis including the first president of Djibouti, Abtidoon, wanted Djibouti to remain a French colony.
Either way, those referendums were rigged and have been widely recognised as such.
I am looking at this through the lens of a policy analyst, not someone who just wants to fulfil ethnic aims.
If you want to achieve protection of you kin through immigration policies, so be it. I never disagreed with that, but do it legally.
it’s currently open boarders as we speak. On top of that we are at a fragile state and high unemployment. You keep speaking about “legal obligations” as if their are any atm. Until we are back at our feet and we have a shortage of capable workers there should be no immigrationI agree with regulation but we need to be following our legal obligations also.
No one wants open borders but no one should advocate for an ethnicity based immigration policy either…
I'm saying Somalis should just protect themselves and their kin and that everyone else is an enemy and always has been. You idea of moral standards seems to be to accept ethnic replacement, the taken of your ancestral land and the destruction of your race
Oromos have replaced most of the Amhara and Tigray elite in the goverment, the OLA is allowed to ethnically cleanse Amharas with impudently, while Abiy doesn't bat an eye, yeah sure some Oromo may dislike Abiy but when it comes down to it, he has elevated the statues of all Oromos in Ethiopia and has bolstered this narrative that Ethiopia belongs to them. Why do you think thousands of amhara who believed in "Ethiopianimo" have suddenly joined FANO and stop believing the Frankenstein project of a nation called Ethiopia?
War is on the Somali peoples doorstep. If we don't wake up we will be overtaken
Abtidoon wanted the right of self determination. Afar and French collude to try and literally genocide Somalis out of Djibouti. The French, just like the British HATED Somalis and push for other groups to try and exterminate us. Read this thread
Your political lens is flawed, you do not understand fully what you're advocating for, you are forming your opinion based of emotions, you have this inherit bias most likely due to your western upbringing. Ethnic aims are behind every political aim especially in this region in the world.
The way we project our kin is through fighting and showing others we aren't weak so they can't take advantage of us. Inshallah one day Somalis will wake up very soon
it’s currently open boarders as we speak. On top of that we are at a fragile state and high unemployment. You keep speaking about “legal obligations” as if their are any atm. Until we are back at our feet and we have a shortage of capable workers there should be no immigration
this is somalia we are talking about walaalWe are signed to the 1951 Geneva convention of refugees.
Those are our legal obligations.
If you’re advocating leaving that agreement then that’s another conversation. However, until we do that, this entire conversation is advocating something illegal.
this is somalia we are talking about walaal
Ain’t such thing as legal or illegal
You are very naive sxb, you think if Somalis act morally superior to their neighbors then they will automatically become better than their neighbors? Somalis just need to be united, that's all it will take for stability to happen then development and so on.Let me ask you a simple question:
Do you want Somalia to be at the same level HoA country?
If you do, then compare yourself to the rest of the Horn in terms of policy, mentality and so on.
However, if you want Somalia to become better than its neighbours then you need start acting like you’re better.
If you keep excusing things with “Well that’s the reality in this region” then your ceiling will always be the status quo of your neighbours.
You are very naive sxb, you think if Somalis act morally superior to their neighbors then they will automatically become better than their neighbors? Somalis just need to be united, that's all it will take for stability to happen then development and so on.
The USA is the most powerful country in the world and they didn't get to the spot by acting nice and being "moral".
It’s a yes or no answer, if Europeans called for violence against Somalis in the event we committed violence, would you support it?
Don’t try to qualify a hypothetical with another impossible to prove hypothetical.
Maybe, the International Community haven’t said anything because they don’t want to derail any progress by the Somali government over a small number of deportations?
Key word being small. Do you think they will have the same attitude when the number becomes big?
Do I really have to spell out the obvious?
Your whole arguement is nonsense. Of course I wouldn't support it but the Europeans retaliating would make sense. That's how the world works.
Not only are we cursed with incompetent leaders but we're also riddled with naive Westernized people who think that the Horn of Africa is Sweden. Our ancestors didn't amass all that land by holding hands and singing kumbaya.
The Somali government doesn't even have to do anything overtly. All it takes is for the media to push anti Oromo messages and local Somalis to deny them jobs and housing. Somali clans can't even pack their bags and live in other clan's lands en masse so why should Oromos be able to live in our lands while killing our people in Somali Galbeed.
I agree with regulation but we need to be following our legal obligations also.
No one wants open borders but no one should advocate for an ethnicity based immigration policy either…
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Hencewhy, the FGS, in collaboration with the FMS needs to make a cement immigration policy, and systems in place with it, including a court system that deal with such cases and ministies with it, before its too late. Puntland should not bare the brunt for the incompetence of policies. If it happens to one state, its bound to happen to all.You are right on all counts, but we have to process the claims in a legitimate manner before you reject them.
If we arbitrarily deport people based on ethnicity, we’re in breach of the law.
Hencewhy, the FGS, in collaboration with the FMS needs to make a cement immigration policy, and systems in place with it, including a court system that deal with such cases and ministies with it, before its too late. Puntland should not bare the brunt for the incompetence of policies. If it happens to one state, its bound to happen to all.
I am not saying wake up one day and say, kick them out, but a set plan, a reason why they are there, whats their plan, and so on. Those without a valid reason can bug off. And there must be a cap, a quota.
Our current policy is ridiculous. Did you know, all nationals can get a visa on arrival, from a person with a North Korean passport to a person with a Guyanese Passport. Its open doors for the world, what type of a policy is that???
The only time there is unity on this forum is when we all come together to refute @Periplus