Puntland soldiers in garowe enforcing down to dusk curfew

[DR OSMAN]

Clearly from the picture the Somali national army looks more professional, better equipped and in better mood than the poor clan fiefdom soldier.

and the only explanation as to why there is such a difference is the difference between a government for all and a clan enclave for few. If you don’t see that then I’m sorry you need a help just like that soldier yourself

Do you judge security by uniform and logistics? or by outcomes? Shabab runs the south, the SNA doesn't run nothing. Mogadishu locals pay taxes to shabab, which shows you the locals do not endorse SNA as real, they are 'fake' army' trying to 'dress' like one but when you assess their military outcome it's all 'failures' waryaa.

Puntland is shabab free, the only place they dare live in PL is in 'mountains and shrubs' like monkeys. They are not walking our streets, taxing people, having courts and making judgements. There is only one government in Puntland and it's called Puntland. One Ruler, One System, One People.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Madmullah at least the clan enclaves in SL and PL have security and no foreign military present.


But in Xamar also tribalism exists.
You have to be Hawiye or connected to the government to get contracts or jobs in Xamar and Xamar is the capital of Somalia.
Most of the civil servants in Xamar are Hawiye the non Hawiye civil servants have connections with N&N.

When you see well fed soilders of N&N yet not replacing key areas of AMISOM operations in xamar then they are a joke.
The xamar security should have been taken over by the soilders you praise and All AMISOM soilders should have been sent to AS control zones in Shabeloyinka and Jubbas.

 

[TheMadMullah]

Do you judge security by uniform and logistics? or by outcomes? Shabab runs the south, the SNA doesn't run nothing. Mogadishu locals pay taxes to shabab, which shows you the locals do not endorse SNA as real, they are 'fake' army' trying to 'dress' like one but when you assess their military outcome it's all 'failures' waryaa.

Puntland is shabab free, the only place they dare live in PL is in 'mountains and shrubs' like monkeys. They are not walking out streets, taxing people, having courts and making judgements.

Maybe you can tell that to a guy in the merfish in hargeisa but not me.

I have been in pl for 14 months the last 3 years 9 of that uninterrupted stay. I can confirm to you that the al shabaab killings in Galkacyo and Bosaso were on monthly basis if not weekly sometimes.

the al shabaab problem is as a result of security vacuum in most parts of the country and due to absence of national government security infrastructure

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Maybe you can tell that to a guy in the merfish in hargeisa but not me.

I have been in pl for 14 months the last 3 years 9 of that uninterrupted stay. I can confirm to you that the al shabaab killings in Galkacyo and Bosaso were on monthly basis if not weekly sometimes.

the al shabaab problem is as a result of security vacuum in most parts of the country and due to absence of national government security infrastructure

So you mean AS kill more people in PL than Xamar.

 

[TheMadMullah]

So you mean AS kill more people in PL than Xamar.

No where did I say that but it’s a fact al shabaab is present even in puntland it was only this week they bombed garowe but on a smaller scale

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

No where did I say that but it’s a fact al shabaab is present even in puntland it was only this week they bombed garowe but on a smaller scale

AS are present in Kenya too
Does AS tax businesses in PL?

Do business in PL do business with AS like Hormuud which is in cohorts with AS.

The bombs in Garoowe are political.I would say cleanse elay from PL and you will see a difference there is no Elaay in SL.

 

[TheMadMullah]

AS are present in Kenya too
Does AS tax businesses in PL?

Do business in PL do business with AS like Hormuud which is in cohorts with AS.

The bombs in Garoowe are political.I would say cleanse elay from PL and you will see a difference there is no Elaay in SL.

You need to ask people who own business in bosaaso if they don’t pay taxes to isis and al shabaab

 

[FBIsomalia]

Madmullah at least the clan enclaves in SL and PL have security and no foreign military present.


But in Xamar also tribalism exists.
You have to be Hawiye or connected to the government to get contracts or jobs in Xamar and Xamar is the capital of Somalia.
Most of the civil servants in Xamar are Hawiye the non Hawiye civil servants have connections with N&N.

When you see well fed soilders of N&N yet not replacing key areas of AMISOM operations in xamar then they are a joke.
The xamar security should have been taken over by the soilders you praise and All AMISOM soilders should have been sent to AS control zones in Shabeloyinka and Jubbas.

Xamar should be secure long time ago by Hawiya forces and let Amisom operate on the south villages. The fact says they taking money from the world to keep Amisom without doing nothing. As Puntlander allahmudalla we have our forces to secure our state.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

You need to ask people who own business in bosaaso if they don’t pay taxes to isis and al shabaab

You were there in PL.
So since you said you were there for a month or so and are well informed you need to tell us whether they do that.
So tell me do they?

 

[FBIsomalia]

You need to ask people who own business in bosaaso if they don’t pay taxes to isis and al shabaab

Isnt the same business owners pays taxes to their government. Didn't the same business man secure by PL without Amisom, Didn't the same business man went to local courts in biggest PL cities without fear from alkabab. What south provide to their people?.

 

[FBIsomalia]

You were there in PL.
So since you said you were there for a month or so and are well informed you need to tell us whether they do that.
So tell me do they?

Every Somali goes to PL not just Puntlanders so if someone says I went there doesnt make him one of us and in-case he went there its just jealousy the peace PL have with help of allah.

 

[TheMadMullah]

You were there in PL.
So since you said you were there for a month or so and are well informed you need to tell us whether they do that.
So tell me do they?

It is evident that some business pay taxes to daesh and al shabaab in bosaaso.

But my point is this is due to clan enclave politics that has given them such a platform. Clan enclaves don’t have the capacity and the machinery to confront such problems

 

[TheMadMullah]

Every Somali goes to PL not just Puntlanders so if someone says I went there doesnt make him one of us and in-case he went there its just jealousy the peace PL have with help of allah.

Ilahay amarkis!

hade hadii reernimo tagto ogoow nin reer Mahad ban ahay kaluunkana ma cuno

 

[FBIsomalia]

It is evident that some business pay taxes to daesh and al shabaab in bosaaso.

But my point is this is due to clan enclave politics that has given them such a platform. Clan enclaves don’t have the capacity and the machinery to confront such problems

Name us the problems that Clan enclaves cant face?

 

[FBIsomalia]

Ilahay amarkis!

hade hadii reernimo tagto ogoow nin reer Mahad ban ahay kaluunkana ma cuno

Sorry Brother many has MJ mothers. So yes still I dont believe you.

 

[TheMadMullah]

Name us the problems that Clan enclaves cant face?

Clan enclaves can’t solve neither do they have the capacity to do so what a national government can do.

mega projects, security infrastructure. Essential services both in public and health sector, education and so forth.

evidence to this is PL and SL let alone the other irrelevant clan enclaves

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

It is evident that some business pay taxes to daesh and al shabaab in bosaaso.

But my point is this is due to clan enclave politics that has given them such a platform. Clan enclaves don’t have the capacity and the machinery to confront such problems

It is evident you said yet you have no proof that they pay taxes to AS or PL.

Also Xamar is a clan enclave even with the fancy central government.
Still other clans are not represented in Xamar where is Elay ,Dir or even other clans in demos in Xamar you have no representations.
The mayor of Xamar is always Hawiye yet you want to dismantle PL and SL.

Most of the civil servants in Xamar are Hawiye.

Most of the International funds for Somalia has been consumed in Xamar with one clan benefitting from this yet you want us to turn a blind eye.

So you want PL and SL to be dismantled so that 100% of International community funds are consumed in Xamar it's like taking us back to 1991 when the Central government fell.
Somalis we are a tribal nation.You cant preach tribalism should be eradicated yet allow people with tribal motives to be trusted in running the central government.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Clan enclaves can’t solve neither do they have the capacity to do so what a national government can do.

mega projects, security infrastructure. Essential services both in public and health sector, education and so forth.

evidence to this is PL and SL let alone the other irrelevant clan enclaves

Now we talking, bring up those Mega projects and Security infrastructure you saying that Xamar did without the help of Amisom .

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Now we talking, bring up those Mega projects and Security infrastructure you saying that Xamar did without the help of Amisom .

Or International community like Turkey.is it right that Turkey and other donors are concentrating only in Xamar?

 

[TheMadMullah]

It is evident you said yet you have no proof that they pay taxes to AS or PL.

Also Xamar is a clan enclave even with the fancy central government.
Still other clans are not represented in Xamar where is Elay ,Dir or even other clans in demos in Xamar you have no representations.
The mayor of Xamar is always Hawiye yet you want to dismantle PL and SL.

Most of the civil servants in Xamar are Hawiye.

Most of the International funds for Somalia has been consumed in Xamar with one clan benefitting from this yet you want us to turn a blind eye.

So you want PL and SL to be dismantled so that 100% of International community funds are consumed in Xamar it's like taking us back to 1991 when the Central government fell.
Somalis we are a tribal nation.You cant preach tribalism should be eradicated yet allow people with tribal motives to be trusted in running the central government.

You see the difference between me and you is I’m not hold brief for anyone, I’m just interested in a stable national government that works for all people unlike you who is clapping full force for your former terrorist and al shabaab co-founder Ahmed madoobe who is trying to structure a clan enclave now.

I’m a realist who knows clanism is present in all places hence why I’m saying for a prosperous country we need to move away from that as we have seen it’s result for 30 years.

byr you here saying NO we need clan fiefdoms for another 100 years even if it means we shall remain where we are as long as my uncle remains relevant by being village president