Rethinking Citizenship in Somalia

[Duchess]

What I meant was, what is your vision for the 20 million Somali race?

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

 

[AceofSom]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

Sorry we don't accept arab wannabe

 

[Duchess]

Sorry we don't accept arab wannabe

As if your opinion even matters. Sultan Kenadid didn't kindly ask you to be your ruler and neither will Boqor Burhan. Now contribute to the discussion in a fruitful manner or take your knuckle dragging zulu ass back to somnet.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

You can tell he is royalty, very regal. Woooow

 

[Bahal]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

Can I get a serious answer?

 

[Gilgamesh]

Let's say a bunch of Hawiye's or Digil iyo Midhifle move to Kismayo becoming the majority will they be prevented from seeking local offices in Kismayo?

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Typical somali backward thinking.

U want job? Seek that from ur subclan town!

With this mentality we will always be the losers of Earth.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

Iam guessing what the though of Arab would be after seeing this pic:
Look at that Ape thinking he is Arab. What a joke ass abid. Why doesnt he wear somali african clothes.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Let's say a bunch of Hawiye's or Digil iyo Midhifle move to Kismayo becoming the majority will they be prevented from seeking local offices in Kismayo?

Yes, Kismayo is the deegaan of Ogaden, Marehan and Harti. No matter how many others live in Kismayo, they will never be able to claim seats in Kismaayo.
Same thing for Darod in Mogadishu and Baydhabo, you can live there but you will have zero representation.

Iam guessing what the though of Arab would be after seeing this pic:
Look at that Ape thinking he is Arab. What a joke ass abid. Why doesnt he wear somali african clothes.

The kings always wore thobes and bushuts, it is their traditional dress.
Boqor Burhan's grandfather, Boqor Osman Mahamud of Majeerteenya

 

[Gibiin-Udug]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

Long live our King. Boqor Burhan Boqor Muuse AlSomal.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

ITT: s being s

 

[Duchess]

@Mudug-Madman stop following me around like a headless chicken. Either make a useful contribution to this topic or stay out of my threads.

Can I get a serious answer?

I am serious. Why would you be opposed to uniting under the leadership of Boqor Burhan Al-Somal? The only other option is uniting with Somalis who respect the Boqor's leadership.

 

[Faqash]

kismayo will finally come under the control of Baydhabo-Mog Alliance.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

No one's following you around. You made a thread and I commented.

But I'll bite. Clan politics are the cancer that's holding Somalia back, a long with widespread corruption. They both feed into each other and basically ensure that very little gets done. Further perpetuating this system to the point that where you can run is decided by where your clan lives and not by where you live is beyond stupid. I understand how things work over there, so for the mean time clan may be necessary, but they should be working to disentangle it from the political system, not further entrench it.

If you value the political power and well being of certain clans and regions I can see how you would think this is a good thing, but I'm sure those who value the health of the nation overall see this as a disaster.

 

[Duchess]

I posted a paper by a Somali professor and you responded with an acronym and a gif. Don't try to derail my topics with your pettiness.

Now that you've been forced to use your words, we can have a discussion. You claim to be a Puntlander so please explain how you can support a clan state and/but be opposed to "clan politics"?

 

[Lord Flacko]

I posted a paper by a Somali professor and you responded with an acronym and a gif. Don't try to derail my topics with your pettiness.

Now that you've been forced to use your words, we can have a discussion. You claim to be a Puntlander so please explain how you can support a clan state and but be opposed to "clan politics"?

One can hail from one region but still support the whole country

 

[Duchess]

One can hail from one region but still support the whole country

How is that relevant to what I said? Puntland is a clan state not a geographical location. By stating that you're a Puntlander, you are stating that you support a particular system of governance and clan politics. Stick to using the 18 provinces to describe where you're from.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

I posted a paper by a Somali professor and you responded with an acronym and a gif. Don't try to derail my topics with your pettiness.

Now that you've been forced to use your words, we can have a discussion. You claim to be a Puntlander so please explain how you can support a clan state and but be opposed to "clan politics"?

As I said in my post, in the short term these clan states are a viable solution for ensuring some measure of stability. But for the long term it's highly inadequate. Each mamul having it's own president, parliament, army and agenda, occasionally going to war with each other, constantly undermining each other on the world stage? It's costly, wasteful, and will ensure that Somalia remains a poor, unstable nation. At that point you might as well dissolve the country Yugoslavia style.

Federalism is a net positive now but over the long term it's not a viable solution.

 

[Bahal]

I am serious. Why would you be opposed to uniting under the leadership of Boqor Burhan Al-Somal? The only other option is uniting with Somalis who respect the Boqor's leadership.

Come on Duchess, I'm really intrigued.

What do you really believe?

 

[Duchess]

And that's exactly why you should cease referring to yourself as Puntlander. You are Mudug-Man, an anti-federalism, pro-Somaliweyn enemy of the people of Punt.