Rethinking Citizenship in Somalia

[Bahal]

As I said in my post, in the short term these clan states are a viable solution for ensuring some measure of stability. But for the long term it's highly inadequate. Each mamul having it's own president, parliament, army and agenda, occasionally going to war with each other, constantly undermining each other on the world stage? It's costly, wasteful, and will ensure that Somalia remains a poor, unstable nation. At that point you might as well dissolve the country Yugoslavia style.

Federalism is a net positive now but over the long term it's not a viable solution.

 

[Duchess]

Come on Duchess, I'm really intrigued.

What do you really believe?

I'm a supporter of the Puntland Independence Movement. I'm sure I've stated this before.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

I'm a supporter of the Puntland Independence Movement. I'm sure I've stated this before.

Lol, I'm fairly certain most Puntlanders are against independence.

 

[Bahal]

I'm a supporter of the Puntland Independence Movement. I'm sure I've stated this before.

Yes, I remember.

I should've clarified, do you think a country with a population of maybe 2 million tops can be a viable entity? What would the relationship with the rest of Somalia look like? Could you realistically defend against foreign aggression? With a tiny domestic market, what would the economy look like?

 

[AceofSom]

I'm a supporter of the Puntland Independence Movement. I'm sure I've stated this before.

 

[Duchess]

Lol, I'm fairly certain most Puntlanders are against independence.

You would be wrong.

@Bahal

I should've clarified, do you think a country with a population of maybe 2 million tops can be a viable entity? Yes.

What would the relationship with the rest of Somalia look like? Depends on Somalia, but probably hostile just like it is now.

Could you realistically defend against foreign aggression? Who is protecting or defending us now?

With a tiny domestic market, what would the economy look like? You want to scare people with a grim future but things can not get any worse than they are now and more & more Puntlanders are realizing this every day.

 

[Bahal]

I'm not interested in scaring anyone, I just think anyone that advocates further fragmentation of an already weak, poor, and miniscule ethnic group has a poor understanding of international relations and economics.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

You want to scare people with a grim future but things can not get any worse than they are now and more & more Puntlanders are realizing this every day.

My dear, it can always, ALWAYS be worse. You want to trade the future just to see some improvement in the present? Nations are joining economic blocs that function like superstates (EU) to better cope in a globalized world, and you want to go in the opposite direction? You want to swim against the current?

 

[Duchess]

I'm not interested in scaring anyone, I just think anyone that advocates further fragmentation of an already weak, poor, and miniscule ethnic group has a poor understanding of international relations and economics.

Centralism and Greater Somalia are colonial constructs. Decolonize your mind my brother.

 

[Bahal]

Centralism and Greater Somalia are colonial constructs. Decolonize your mind my brother.

One day the Somali Empire will stretch from the Indian to the Atlantic



Say no to fear, say no to insecurity, say no to despair. The Somali will take his rightful place as master of Africa.

 

[Duchess]

Then we will destroy Somalis from with in. Sharmarke 2016. The ocean, the farms, the airspace... Everything must go.

 

[Bahal]

Then we will destroy Somalis from with in. Sharmarke 2016. The ocean, the farms, the airspace... Everything must go.

HOF post tbh

 

[Apollo]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

#NotMyKing.

 

[Duchess]

This is the Maxamud Saleban king. Not the king of Puntland.

#NotMyKing.

There is only one Boqor. All others hold lesser titles and respect the authority of the King.

 

[Bahal]

#NotMyKing.

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

I totally support this. We should transfer some of our population out of places like Bari and resettle them in our lands in Lower Juba. Population transfers on a large scale to Jubaland should be encouraged by Puntland.

Clan federalism

Jubboyinka dad baa iska leh







saxaraha bari iyo nugaal ha idin deeqdo

 

[McLovin]

To be united under Boqorka umada Soomaaliyeed

Look at the nur on his face, mashallah

Is this a joke

 

[Duchess]

Is this a joke

The Duchess never jokes.


Now I know how @Canuck felt. It's hard to be a woman in this section. War yaa Maajeerteen ah.

 

[Galaeri]

Jubboyinka dad baa iska leh







saxaraha bari iyo nugaal ha idin deeqdo

Wasn't half of mudug and half galguduud enough for your. If your feeling gaajo go the shebelles, you might be able to take those by force Lmao.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Jubboyinka dad baa iska leh







saxaraha bari iyo nugaal ha idin deeqdo

Stop trying to claim Mudug.