Sanaag Politician 'Dhoobo Daareed' to FGS “if you continue disrespecting us (Warsangali) we will join SL and make their seceding plans come true”

[Daaamn]

Positions in SL govt is comparable to ones in Xamar govt not your clan state unless you're saying PL is independent country

Somaliland is not compare

That table does not speak for itself as you cut off the most important section.

From the same page you quoted:

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Its this conceited petty attitude that is slowly - but surely, driving more Dhulbahante and Warsangali into Somaliland's embrace.

Somaliland does not need to do anything, just let Majeerteen be Majeerteen, and before long you will see Karaash and Dhoobe joining the Harti clique in Hargeisa.

No one hated Somaliland more than Cali Khalif Galaydh AUN, but Majeerteen pettiness turned him into a most unapologetic lander.

The reason Somaliland hasn’t gotten recognition is because beentan o kale ad isku sheegtan. maxaad tiihin dad beenta ku faradheere

hadhi dhulbahante iyo warsangheki uu heestan in idoor ee racdo cid ka ceeshenos malaha wa dad aqhtiyaar leh. Kheir ba uu rajeeyneyna wixi uu fican ha racaan.

 

[Yusuf M]

Hopefully they will join you to become one of many laangaabs. We wish you all well.

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Man, I laugh every time I see this beat down.

 

[Kanan]

You niggas don’t know politics, he has the same complaints Isaaqs had back in the day.

If Buuhoodle, taleex and warsangeli lands go join somalialnd, ittiraf will most likely come as the border would be secured.

Plenty of countries with border disputes upon independence it is not an important criteria.

Keshmir after separation of India & Pakistan


Noqorno Karabakh between Azerbajan & Armenia


Most recently Abiye between Sudan & South Sudan.



Recognition comes through open war, negotiations or powerful foreign backers. As it stands today Turkish Cyprus & Kosovo are more recognized than Somaliland. The Isaaq are too coward, incompetent or complacent with the status quo.


No one is stopping them from waging war on PL who controls thier claimed territory. No one is stopping them from forging relations with Eritrea, Algeria or Ireland who are well known to support under dogs. But they're too afraid of Djibouti & Ethiopia's reaction.


No one is stopping them from taking charge of the 30 seats they own and negotiate a settlement while still retaining thier autonomous status like Puntland. Literally they have nothing to lose by joining the process, they can still run thier circus and influence South Somalia politics. They stand to lose nothing only gain everything. We all know recognition is not coming anytime soon they're not missing out on anything.



Somaliland is a story of incompetent leadership who wasted countless appourtunities in span of 30 years.

 

[Gantaal97]

Plenty of countries with border disputes upon independence it is not an important criteria.

Keshmir after separation of India & Pakistan


Noqorno Karabakh between Azerbajan & Armenia


Most recently Abiye between Sudan & South Sudan.



Recognition comes through open war, negotiations or powerful foreign backers. As it stands today Turkish Cyprus & Kosovo are more recognized than Somaliland. The Isaaq are too coward, incompetent or complacent with the status quo.


No one is stopping them from waging war on PL who controls thier claimed territory. No one is stopping them from forging relations with Eritrea, Algeria or Ireland who are well known to support under dogs. But they're too afraid of Djibouti & Ethiopia's reaction.


No one is stopping them from taking charge of the 30 seats they own and negotiate a settlement while still retaining thier autonomous status like Puntland. Literally they have nothing to lose by joining the process, they can still run thier circus and influence South Somalia politics. They stand to lose nothing only gain everything. We all know recognition is not coming anytime soon they're not missing out on anything.



Somaliland is a story of incompetent leadership who wasted countless appourtunities in span of 30 years.

All of what you said doesn't make sense and you don't know the politics in Somaliland.

The main reason why recognition of Somaliland hasn't come yet is cuz of International community who fears that it will case more instability in the horn especially Somalia which has weak govt that doesn't control most of its territory but they do encourage negations between the two parties to reach settlement that's good for both sides.

Kosovo and Northern Cyprus are two different situation or issues than Somaliland as Kosovo was aided by the west in military support against Serbian regime and with that support they got recognized by their western allies when they declared independence in 2008 and Northern Cyprus is only recognized by Turkey when they invaded the island in 1974 to engage in the ethnic violence that was happening in Cyprus after Greek nationalist officers conducted a coup.

Somaliland has relations with many foreign nations but they don't have the will to recognize it as they don't want to further complicate the Somali political issue and also there's no interest or geopolitical one for them to do so when they have also good or neutral relation with Somalia which is the true reality but everyone who knows Somaliland is independent from Xamar's grip and it's only a time when Somalia's govts would realize and recognize Somaliland.

 

[Kanan]

All of what you said doesn't make sense and you don't know the politics in Somaliland.

The main reason why recognition of Somaliland hasn't come yet is cuz of International community who fears that it will case more instability in the horn especially Somalia which has weak govt that doesn't control most of its territory but they do encourage negations between the two parties to reach settlement that's good for both sides.

Kosovo and Northern Cyprus are two different situation or issues than Somaliland as Kosovo was aided by the west in military support against Serbian regime and with that support they got recognized by their western allies when they declared independence in 2008 and Northern Cyprus is only recognized by Turkey when they invaded the island in 1974 to engage in the ethnic violence that was happening in Cyprus after Greek nationalist officers conducted a coup.

Somaliland has relations with many foreign nations but they don't have the will to recognize it as they don't want to further complicate the Somali political issue and also there's no interest or geopolitical one for them to do so when they have also good or neutral relation with Somalia which is the true reality but everyone who knows Somaliland is independent from Xamar's grip and it's only a time when Somalia's govts would realize and recognize Somaliland.

Excuses.

2005 commission state clearly that Somaliland case is unique and won't open Pandora box for rest of Africa. The Arab League & western countries said you must get recognition from African countries first. You had plenty of options.

When Djibouti refused to recognize Somaliland you should have went straight to Eritrea. Algeria got enslaved by France so they sympathize with under dog entities that's why they support Sahrawi nation and a separate Palestinian state. Same goes with Ireland who got enslaved by the British.


You're telling me for 30 years Somaliland could not muster 20 million dollars to bribe tiny and corrupt African nations for recognition? I call BS on that.


You failed the very first test, looking for powerful allies. In fact you turned this L into another deflection point so you have a ready made out of pocket excuse when Somaliland comes short in any metric "We don't have ictiraaf" If that is not incompetency I don't know what else to call it.

At least South Somalia is a big mess of terror, violence and political instability, what is you excuse for staying in the same spot for 3 decades?

 

[Gantaal97]

Excuses.

2005 commission state clearly that Somaliland case is unique and won't open Pandora box for rest of Africa. The Arab League & western countries said you must get recognition from African countries first. You had plenty of options.

When Djibouti refused to recognize Somaliland you should have went straight to Eritrea. Algeria got enslaved by France so they sympathize with under dog entities that's why they support Sahrawi nation and a separate Palestinian state. Same goes with Ireland who got enslaved by the British.


You're telling me for 30 years Somaliland could not muster 20 million dollars to bribe tiny and corrupt African nations for recognition? I call BS on that.


You failed the very first test, looking for powerful allies. In fact you turned this L into another deflection point so you have a ready made out of pocket excuse when Somaliland comes short in any metric "We don't have ictiraaf" If that is not incompetency I don't know what else to call it.

At least South Somalia is a big mess of terror, violence and political instability, what is you excuse for staying in the same spot for 3 decades?

African Union commission issied a non binding report on Somaliland but African nations most of them have no reason to just recognize Somaliland until they and Somalia have talks just like in Sudan and southern separatist did that paved the way for South Sudan independence and recognition in 2011.

Djbouti played a huge role bringing Somalian warlords together several times with last being in 2000 in Arta and encourages talks between Somaliland and Somalia and not be an enemy to any of those two nations.

Algeria has no interest in Somalia and doesn't want to chaos diplomatic dispute with other African nations except with Morocco whos relations never improved since 1962 sand wars and the Sahrawi issue and btw Arab Saharawi Republic is recognized by most African nations especially the ruling party POLISARIO which was anti Spanish guerilla front and Ireland is neutral country that's a member of EU and never had hostilities with UK after achieving independence.

Learn how diplomatic and geopolitics in the world works before making non sensical comments.

 

[Kanan]

African Union commission issied a non binding report on Somaliland but African nations most of them have no reason to just recognize Somaliland until they and Somalia have talks just like in Sudan and southern separatist did that paved the way for South Sudan independence and recognition in 2011.

Djbouti played a huge role bringing Somalian warlords together several times with last being in 2000 in Arta and encourages talks between Somaliland and Somalia and not be an enemy to any of those two nations.

Algeria has no interest in Somalia and doesn't want to chaos diplomatic dispute with other African nations except with Morocco whos relations never improved since 1962 sand wars and the Sahrawi issue and btw Arab Saharawi Republic is recognized by most African nations especially the ruling party POLISARIO which was anti Spanish guerilla front and Ireland is neutral country that's a member of EU and never had hostilities with UK after achieving independence.

Learn how diplomatic and geopolitics in the world works before making non sensical comments.

Binding or not you failed to capitalized on AU report to push for recognition. Meles Zenawi advice you to ask for a timetable to discuss Somaliland case when the current chairman was more sympathetic to Somaliland but you went full retard and asked for outright recognition which fell on deaf ears. South Sudan got its independence primarily through a long civil war and got itself powerful allies against Bashir, a sponsor of terrorism in the region. You are naive if you think Al Bashiir willingly let go of south Sudan through negotiations alone


But I know that's another way to cover Somaliland's failure to capitalize on AU report which blows away the lame region instability argument. If anything Somaliland becoming its own country would straighten security across the horn. This was only a year before Ethiopia invaded Somalia and destroyed ICU plunging the region into chaos. Totally out of debt.


Still you made no overtures to Algeria, Ireland and most importantly Eritrea. Forget about lesser African countries which is why recognition will never come.

 

[SOULSEARCHING]

Did his khat run out

 

[Daaamn]

Plenty of countries with border disputes upon independence it is not an important criteria.

Keshmir after separation of India & Pakistan


Noqorno Karabakh between Azerbajan & Armenia


Most recently Abiye between Sudan & South Sudan.



Recognition comes through open war, negotiations or powerful foreign backers. As it stands today Turkish Cyprus & Kosovo are more recognized than Somaliland. The Isaaq are too coward, incompetent or complacent with the status quo.


No one is stopping them from waging war on PL who controls thier claimed territory. No one is stopping them from forging relations with Eritrea, Algeria or Ireland who are well known to support under dogs. But they're too afraid of Djibouti & Ethiopia's reaction.


No one is stopping them from taking charge of the 30 seats they own and negotiate a settlement while still retaining thier autonomous status like Puntland. Literally they have nothing to lose by joining the process, they can still run thier circus and influence South Somalia politics. They stand to lose nothing only gain everything. We all know recognition is not coming anytime soon they're not missing out on anything.



Somaliland is a story of incompetent leadership who wasted countless appourtunities in span of 30 years.

Binding or not you failed to capitalized on AU report to push for recognition. Meles Zenawi advice you to ask for a timetable to discuss Somaliland case when the current chairman was more sympathetic to Somaliland but you went full retard and asked for outright recognition which fell on deaf ears. South Sudan got its independence primarily through a long civil war and got itself powerful allies against Bashir, a sponsor of terrorism in the region. You are naive if you think Al Bashiir willingly let go of south Sudan through negotiations alone


But I know that's another way to cover Somaliland's failure to capitalize on AU report which blows away the lame region instability argument. If anything Somaliland becoming its own country would straighten security across the horn. This was only a year before Ethiopia invaded Somalia and destroyed ICU plunging the region into chaos. Totally out of debt.


Still you made no overtures to Algeria, Ireland and most importantly Eritrea. Forget about lesser African countries which is why recognition will never come.

How would somaliland becoming its own country straighten security in the horn?

 

[Kanan]

How would somaliland becoming its own country straighten security in the horn?

US seriously considered awarding Somaliland some kind of limited recognition so they can have access to funds and heavy arms in the mid 2000s


They botched the appourtunity with US & AU. The only political entity left to lead Somalia was Puntland the rest were either associated with ICU or had no leverage on the ground.

 

[Gantaal97]

Binding or not you failed to capitalized on AU report to push for recognition. Meles Zenawi advice you to ask for a timetable to discuss Somaliland case when the current chairman was more sympathetic to Somaliland but you went full retard and asked for outright recognition which fell on deaf ears. South Sudan got its independence primarily through a long civil war and got itself powerful allies against Bashir, a sponsor of terrorism in the region. You are naive if you think Al Bashiir willingly let go of south Sudan through negotiations alone


But I know that's another way to cover Somaliland's failure to capitalize on AU report which blows away the lame region instability argument. If anything Somaliland becoming its own country would straighten security across the horn. This was only a year before Ethiopia invaded Somalia and destroyed ICU plunging the region into chaos. Totally out of debt.


Still you made no overtures to Algeria, Ireland and most importantly Eritrea. Forget about lesser African countries which is why recognition will never come.

You seriously illiterate on diplomacy and how politics work and it's actually a waste of time for me to respond to you.

Meles Zinawe and the TPLF gang wanted Ethiopia to be hegemonic state in the horn that has large influnce in Somalia and also Somaliland and recognizing Somaliland would come if Xamar and Hargeysa have talks cuz if meles unliaterly recognized Somaliland Somalia would be hostile state to Ethiopia and getting closer to TPLF archenemies Afwerki Eritrea who was supporting ICU and ONLF which was one of the main reasons why Ethiopia invaded Somalia.

There's no logical reason for Somaliland to form closer relations with autocratic regime of Eritrea that doesn't share border with them and no economic relations while Somaliland has one with Ethiopia and Djibouti two countries that have hostile relationship with Afwerki's Eritrea except Ethiopia under Abiy Ahmed the situation changed with Eritrea but not with Dijbouti.

 

[Daaamn]

US seriously considered awarding Somaliland some kind of limited recognition so they can have access to funds and heavy arms in the mid 2000s


They botched the appourtunity with US & AU. The only political entity left to lead Somalia was Puntland the rest were either associated with ICU or had no leverage on the ground.

Damn, talk about fumbling the back

 

[Gantaal97]

US seriously considered awarding Somaliland some kind of limited recognition so they can have access to funds and heavy arms in the mid 2000s


They botched the appourtunity with US & AU. The only political entity left to lead Somalia was Puntland the rest were either associated with ICU or had no leverage on the ground.

The US supports a united somalia that's their position since then and now and the arms embargo includes Somaliland too.

Remember when ICU took much of the country the US funded the warlords to form an alliance to drive away ICU from much of the country.

Don't make dumb comments of political stuff which you can't comprehend

 

[Warzio7]

Only reason why you don’t have it. Sool, Sanaag is disputed.

Thats not the reason at all. Countries generally respect each others territory. Only way Somaliland gets recognize is when xamar agrees to let them go. Similar to Sudan/south sudan and ethiopia/eritrea etc. I see hargeisa/xamar goverments eventually talking, disagreeing and then eventually a referendum taken to settle the matter which the FGS will be force to accept.

 

[Afro Asiatic]

Thats not the reason at all. Countries generally respect each others territory. Only way Somaliland gets recognize is when xamar agrees to let them go. Similar to Sudan/south sudan and ethiopia/eritrea etc. I see hargeisa/xamar goverments eventually talking, disagreeing and then eventually a referendum taken to settle the matter which the FGS will be force to accept.

clearly the khat has decimated the brain cells….and teeth

 

[Kanan]

The US supports a united somalia that's their position since then and now and the arms embargo includes Somaliland too.

Remember when ICU took much of the country the US funded the warlords to form an alliance to drive away ICU from much of the country.

Don't make dumb comments of political stuff which you can't comprehend

And what happened with ICU beat the warlords? Ethiopia intervened and destroyed ICU leaving a significant power vacuum that contributed to the rise of Al Shabaab. US, Ethiopia and half a dozen country's pushed for Somaliland's semi recognition statue to secure the region. We're talking about the immediate aftermath of9/11 era.



Read something other than Wikipedia.

 

[Kanan]

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Somaliland is politically handicapped.

 

[Gantaal97]

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Somaliland is politically handicapped.

Somaliland relations with Taiwan and the US-China rift could get the attention of the west towards Somaliland for strategic partnership as the country lays in the more interesting geopolitical position of the Indian ocean and the Gulf Aden that's close to Ban Al Mandeb.

Like I said before Somaliland's recognition is more of a time and it will come inshallah

 

[reer]

Somaliland relations with Taiwan and the US-China rift could get the attention of the west towards Somaliland for strategic partnership as the country lays in the more interesting geopolitical position of the Indian ocean and the Gulf Aden that's close to Ban Al Mandeb.

Like I said before Somaliland's recognition is more of a time and it will come inshallah

1991 to 1997/8/9 was complete chaos and anarchy. late 1999 to 2006 was the frozen conflict warlord era. if sl couldnt get ictiraaf then its unlikely to come. sl has a chance if amisom leave and arsenal seize konfuria.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

And what happened with ICU beat the warlords? Ethiopia intervened and destroyed ICU leaving a significant power vacuum that contributed to the rise of Al Shabaab. US, Ethiopia and half a dozen country's pushed for Somaliland's semi recognition statue to secure the region. We're talking about the immediate aftermath of9/11 era.



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Somaliland missed the bus on recognition in the 20 years between 1991 and 2011. As soon as the TFG ended and a fully recognized FGS was created, the serious hopes for secession came to an end. The most ripe period was the warlord era, between 1991 and 2000, before Cabdiqassim's government. This is when the south was in complete anarchy.

What did the Isaaq do during this period? They had a civil war.

No UN member will ever unilaterally recognize the secession of Isaaq because Somalia is not at war with Somaliland.

The other reason why Isaaq's hopes for secession are growing cold is the shrinking gap in population growth between the Isaaq and Harti. As of 2014, Harti is as large as Isaaq with both at roughly ~2.2-2.3 million. Harti are also growing about 30% faster than Isaaq due to a difference in fertility of more than 2.2 children per woman. Recognizing the secession of the Isaaq would lead to a war that would dwarf the USC-Darod conflict. No one wants another South Sudan.

A simple map of fertility tell you all you need to know about the future likelihood of Isaaq recognition.