Saudi Arabia Hands Somalia Over to Iran

[Phoenix]

Yh and i shall be sleeping with a arab princess in 50 years

 

[Kaafiye]

If Somalia achieved regional power status in 1975 despite the fact that we had a tiny population of 4 million people, zero manufacturing base, high corruption, an inefficient economic system (socialism), and a reliance on donated Soviet weapons.....then imagine what could be achieved if we actually had a larger population, a strong manufacturing/industrial base, low corruption, and the ability to fund a high-tech and well-equipped military?

 

[Phoenix]

You could say that for any country...if this happened and that.

Politics is not magic

 

[Geeljire]

If Somalia achieved regional power status in 1975 despite the fact that we had a tiny population of 4 million people, zero manufacturing base, high corruption, an inefficient economic system (socialism), and a reliance on donated Soviet weapons.....then imagine what could be achieved if we actually had a larger population, a strong manufacturing/industrial base, low corruption, and the ability to fund a high-tech and well-equipped military?

Imagine the culture of the somali people Institutionalized and promoted from top to bottom couple that with the potential Archeological Greatness in Puntland/Somaliland that would make even Egypt potentially Jelouse.

But it all starts with true SomaliCentric leadership.

You could say that for any country...if this happened and that.

Politics is not magic

on the contrary all it takes is a great leadership and a great system.

 

[Bahal]

If Somalia achieved regional power status in 1975 despite the fact that we had a tiny population of 4 million people, zero manufacturing base, high corruption, an inefficient economic system (socialism), and a reliance on donated Soviet weapons.....then imagine what could be achieved if we actually had a larger population, a strong manufacturing/industrial base, low corruption, and the ability to fund a high-tech and well-equipped military?

If only you wasn't a madman that wants a theocracy

 

[Geeljire]

@Bahal @Somali_Tycoon @Phoenix

You people should read this.

Van Notten makes a strong case that the violence in Somalia is the direct result of the attempt by the international system to force a central government on a culture that was functioning quite well without one for hundreds of years. From this perspective, the entire agenda of forcing nation-state central governments on peoples and regions where such a political structure may not be appropriate is profoundly evil.

The Xeer takes it place among such great legal systems of the world as the Roman law, the English common law, the Law Merchant, and the Jewish traditional law (Halacha). It must be extremely old and is believed to have developed in the Horn of Africa. There is no evidence that it developed elsewhere or was greatly influenced by any foreign legal system. The fact that Somali legal terminology is practically devoid of loan words from foreign languages suggests that the Xeer is truly indigenous.

Xeer is the true somali system of governance.

Clear Example of how Xeer works is in Punland and Somaliland.

 

[Bahal]

Nah bro that's some orientalist patronising breh xeer works well for petty shit like family court but this the age of nation states you ain't goin nowhere witout a centralised government. This orientalist shit glossin over powerful states like Adal and Ajuuraan to romanticise clans and pastoralism and ignorin how we was united and doin decent before the Derg started payin niggas to overthrow they government.

 

[Geeljire]

Nah bro that's some orientalist patronising breh xeer works well for petty shit like family court but this the age of nation states you ain't goin nowhere witout a centralised government. This orientalist shit glossin over powerful states like Adal and Ajuuraan to romanticise clans and pastoralism and ignorin how we was united and doin decent before the Derg started payin niggas to overthrow they government.

Saaxiib there is no coherency or logic in what you are saying.

 

[Bahal]

Saaxiib f*ck you then nigga

 

[Phoenix]

Saaxiib there is no coherency or logic in what you are saying.

Made perfect sense to me

 

[Geeljire]

@Bahal ,@Phoenix
ok let me break it down to you western gusslickers since its seems like you guys are really ignorant.

Why do you think Somaliland and Puntland has been relatively peaceful Stable with a functioning goverment for over a decade now?. Its very much due to Xeer. The reason for south being a hellhole is the frequent attempt to impose centralized govt on the somali people.

Federation and Centralized system govt is incompatible with the social structure of the somali people. The ethnocentrism and the ignorance im seeing displayed here is really the reason for our predicament. Instead of creating a system of governance that is fit for us we look towards the other and try to impose stuff that does not fit, just because the west is doing it.

What works for them doesnt automatically mean it will work for us. Deny it all you want The fact is Xeer has stood the test of time and has proven itself where your western cultural imperialistic system failed.

Xeer Haa Noolaato

 

[SOMACOON]

Each qabiil should govern their states. The government should support each state and should be the moderator.
Each state should wave the blue flag alongside its own.
Each state should provide up to 50k men for participation in the national military.
All in that, while the government in Muqdisho pays for the education, health and security for each state within Somalia.
What Somalia needs is pretty simple. We've got the language and religion. We need the connection, and of course the trust.

 

[Geeljire]

Each qabiil should govern their states. The government should support each state and should be the moderator.
Each state should wave the blue flag alongside its own.
Each state should provide up to 50k men for participation in the national military.
All in that, while the government in Muqdisho pays for the education, health and security for each state within Somalia.
What Somalia needs is pretty simple. We've got the language and religion. We need the connection, and of course the trust.

 

[Bahal]

Xeer has a place in our legal code of course but a strong central government is necessary to foster a sense of national unity and to compete wit the rest of the world.

How da f*ck do you translate clans compensating each other wit camels and women into a system of governance other than the retarded idea of relyin on clan elders which only perpetuates the divisive clan system?

The legacy of Adal, Ajuuraan, Dervish State, and Kacaan shows that when we get rid of qabiil for a while we tend to be successful. When we stick wit that shit we get what we got today, a bunch of retarded clans who only competition is they own damn selves

 

[SOMACOON]

Unity can be formed when each qabil can govern their own people.
This is why the sacad/Cyr Hawiye sub clan formed Galmudug, simply because their voices weren't being heard in Puntland. Progress comes with respect. Galmudug would have never been formed if Puntland had respected them. Now Galkacyo ayaa la isku heystaa

 

[Freebandz]

Unity can be formed when each qabil can govern their own people.
This is why the sacad/Cyr Hawiye sub clan formed Galmudug, simply because their voices weren't being heard in Puntland. Progress comes with respect. Galmudug would have never been formed if Puntland had respected them. Now Galkacyo ayaa la isku heystaa

Not true mjland never wanted hawiye into there fake harti state that's why they didn't bother claiming the southern half of mudug I think they also wanted to include the merahan district in galgadud as for the problem there facing today back in 2012 when the ssc was going around they made a rule for 2 and half regions to form a state so the dhulbahante doesn't get recognized the plan back fired now which is forcing hg to claim north mudug Or else hg doesn't have a state
Karma What goes around comes around

 

[John Michael]

Xeer is stupid.

The reason why somalis can't get on is the same reason why other 'nomadic' societies have so much conflict. The lifestyle is the problem.

 

[Geeljire]

Unity can be formed when each qabil can govern their own people.
This is why the sacad/Cyr Hawiye sub clan formed Galmudug, simply because their voices weren't being heard in Puntland. Progress comes with respect. Galmudug would have never been formed if Puntland had respected them. Now Galkacyo ayaa la isku heystaa

We dont need qabil state for that, that would just make us more divided and if qabil states exist people will have loyalty their clan states rather than the Somali Nation. . i think we should seperate clan for politics and have something like an elders Senate where clan matters like such will be adressed.

Xeer has a place in our legal code of course but a strong central government is necessary to foster a sense of national unity and to compete wit the rest of the world.

How da f*ck do you translate clans compensating each other wit camels and women into a system of governance other than the retarded idea of relyin on clan elders which only perpetuates the divisive clan system?

The legacy of Adal, Ajuuraan, Dervish State, and Kacaan shows that when we get rid of qabiil for a while we tend to be successful. When we stick wit that shit we get what we got today, a bunch of retarded clans who only competition is they own damn selves

No, the ultimate for somalis is a Decentralized unitary state rather than a Centralized state. Lots of countries in the world is functioning pretty well and cohesively without centralized Govt. not even china has a centralized Govt.

Clans compensating eachother with camels? WTF are you even talking about?. This isnt Baadiye Style governance and its not even clan system. Saaxiib just read the book i showed.

This is clear examples are how Puntland and Somaliland used a modern Version of Xeer

Adal and Dervishes were using Xeer system in what world did these empires not use it. The reason for somalias Violent outburst was because of Kacaans reluctance to use Xeer in a modern Context but enforce a centralized Goverment system which was incompatible with the somali social structure.

This is the very reason for the civil unrest in Somalia

 

[Geeljire]

Xeer is stupid.

The reason why somalis can't get on is the same reason why other 'nomadic' societies have so much conflict. The lifestyle is the problem.

What other nomadic societies? and how is an Ancient Legal system Praised by many scholars as the key reason for Progress and stability in Puntland and SOmaliland and foundation for Potential future Economic Growth in Somalia stupid??

Xeer is not life style you dimwits its a costomary legal system. How Can you blame a legal system which wasnt even implemented down South For the violence and civil war in Somalia?

 

[John Michael]

What other nomadic societies? and why is an Ancient Legal system Praised by many scholars as the key Progress and fountain of Potential Economic Growth in Somalia stupid??

Xeer is not life style you dimwits its a costomary legal systems. How Can you blame a legal system which wasnt implemented down South For the violence and civil war in Somalia?

You are an absolute idiot if you think there isn't any xeer in the south and that it isn't used. Stop reading somalilander propaganda.

No I'm blaming the geeljire lifestyle, which does not fit into the modern world. You can take a look at our oromo neighbours down south the borana for example, these people are at each other's throats. The same is true in nomadic societies in west Africa.