Saudi Arabia has agreed to provide Somalia with $4-billion

[Thegoodshepherd]

Roads won't be maintained and are hard to monetise. A railway would probably be more economical, profitable and safer since no one hijacks trains anymore since the days of the wild west.

A train would be the ideal, but a simple 2 lane highway would transform the region, and put Kismayo in direct competition with Djibouti for the business of southern Ethiopia. The Ethiopians have already constructed a tarmac road linking Addis to Dolo Ado on the other side.of the border. It would open up a huge part of Ethiopia, and would probably be very competitive with Djibouti and Berber in terms of Chinese imports into Ethiopia and East Africa in general. Something resembling the urbanization between Djibouti port and Dir Dhabe would probably also happen. It would also make it easier to move agricultural goods out of the Juba valley. Three birds with one stone.

A Kismayo-Dolo road would change southern Somalia's economy almost totally.

 

[Abdalla]

Kkkkkk so they are planning to build another airport for Mogadishu with that money while other regions get nothing?

No wonder puntlanders want federalism

We won't see a dime even though it's collected in our name

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Security, Agriculture and Industry is where we Should focus on and will be dozens of time be more effectful to the people instead of inmaintainted roads and Airports.

 

[Aaegal]

That money needs to be closely monitored and audited. I don`t trust these Somali people with that much money.

 

[mrdeeni]

That money needs to be closely monitored and audited. I don`t trust these Somali people with that much money.

Imagin you could spend money you lend to other people AND they will have to pay you back!

This is what Saudi is good at ! They wont ever give these funds !

they will hire lazy expensive Arab firm build some crap quality "stuff" break off the hungry politicians and Bam somalis suddenly own 4BN to Saudi with minimal spend.

 

[Prince Abubu]

More wahabi petrodollars to fund terrorist ideology. And the average Somali won't even benefit from that money, it will go into Farmaajo's wife's 13th cousin's NGO bank account.

 

[Ras]

Security, Agriculture and Industry is where we Should focus on and will be dozens of time be more effectful to the people instead of inmaintainted roads and Airports.

We don't have enough water resources for Agriculture.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

We don't have enough water resources for Agriculture.

The Shebelle and Jubba have crazy potential it can make Somalia both food self suffiecent and a food exporter

 

[Ras]

The Shebelle and Jubba have crazy potential it can make Somalia both food self suffiecent and a food exporter

There is only enough water from Shabelle and Juba to irrigate 500,000 Hectare. Enough to feed less than a million.

Underground water is useless as they aren't where we want them and most are too salty.

Sure there is money to be made in Farming but it's mainly for export as the crops won't be able to compete with cheaper quality imports.

The larger your overall agriculture industry the more infrastructure to help with producing higher yields and better storage.

Somalia won't have any of that because the industry will never be large enough unless you invent more efficient desalination.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

There is only enough water from Shabelle and Juba to irrigate 500,000 Hectare. Enough to feed less than a million.

Underground water is useless as they aren't where we want them and most are too salty.

Sure there is money to be made in Farming but it's mainly for export as the crops won't be able to compete with cheaper quality imports.

The larger your overall agriculture industry the more infrastructure to help with producing higher yields and better storage.

Somalia won't have any of that because the industry will never be large enough unless you invent more efficient desalination.

Source ? JL/SW/HS are all completely fertile regions.
Shebelle and Jubba currently produce 250,000 tons enough to feed around half the population changing farming techniques can already triple or quadruple that numbers if we would add dams to both the rivers and irrigate land further in land we can even double that numbers or x8 the current numbers.

 

[The Cushitic One]

Saudi Arabia's oil is running out that's not a big secret, only reason they would give that much money to Somalia is so they can exploit their oil resources.

It's like an infertile couple, befriending an fertile homeless or at risk woman and feeding and clothing her, and befriending, so they can take advantage of her in the long run and get a child out of it without paying through the roof. :siilaanyosmile:

Nothing comes for free in this world, remember, there's always a hidden cost!

 

[felloff]

A train would be the ideal, but a simple 2 lane highway would transform the region, and put Kismayo in direct competition with Djibouti for the business of southern Ethiopia. The Ethiopians have already constructed a tarmac road linking Addis to Dolo Ado on the other side.of the border. It would open up a huge part of Ethiopia, and would probably be very competitive with Djibouti and Berber in terms of Chinese imports into Ethiopia and East Africa in general. Something resembling the urbanization between Djibouti port and Dir Dhabe would probably also happen. It would also make it easier to move agricultural goods out of the Juba valley. Three birds with one stone.

A Kismayo-Dolo road would change southern Somalia's economy almost totally.

To late theirs a kenyan port less than 100km from kismayo being built called lamu getting chinese funds its on the OBOR plan for china plus it would be used for South sudan ethiopia too LAPPSET the name of the corridor somalia is to busy in war to even capitalise from its neighbours lack of ocean and need for transport walah its sad

 

[felloff]

Saudi Arabia's oil is running out that's not a big secret, only reason they would give that much money to Somalia is so they can exploit their oil resources.

It's like an infertile couple, befriending an fertile homeless or at risk woman and feeding and clothing her, and befriending, so they can take advantage of her in the long run and get a child out of it without paying through the roof. :siilaanyosmile:

Nothing comes for free in this world, remember, there's always a hidden cost!

Nah they want to own somalia and put her in debt they have enough oil for the next 75 years in saudia arabia but by putting somalia in debt they can make more money than by oil

 

[Ras]

Source ? JL/SW/HS are all completely fertile regions.
Shebelle and Jubba currently produce 250,000 tons enough to feed around half the population changing farming techniques can already triple or quadruple that numbers if we would add dams to both the rivers and irrigate land further in land we can even double that numbers or x8 the current numbers.

Doesn't matter how fertile the land is if there is no water available.

High yield farms require around 8,000 cubic meters of water per HA on average (Rice is at 10-15k).

Read a few papers on our surface water capacity and I usually find a run off rate of 5 billion cubic meters in Juba and depending on the catchment area something similar in Shabelle.

Source: W-13 Hydraulic Behaviour of the Juba and Shabelle Rivers.pdf

Page 23-24

If deduct for evaporation, leaks etc you would be lucky to have enough water to irrigate 800k hectares. Somalia needs 10-20 million HA

Also 250k tonnes won't feed half the population and probably not even 10% if it's still 12 million.

Since these are the brutal facts we need to instead focus on how to get that foreign currency to import food.

 

[The Cushitic One]

Nah they want to own somalia and put her in debt they have enough oil for the next 75 years in saudia arabia but by putting somalia in debt they can make more money than by oil

Yes but 75 years isn't a sustainable future for any country, as that's the only source of income at the moment. That's why the UAE have opened the port in berbera and the Saudis are sniffing around the Somali government.

Somalia has loans from the world bank also like other African countries the interest alone has put them in debt forever, on a loan that has been designed to keep them indebted forever.

 

[XamarCade]

Doesn't matter how fertile the land is if there is no water available.

High yield farms require around 8,000 cubic meters of water per HA on average (Rice is at 10-15k).

Read a few papers on our surface water capacity and I usually find a run off rate of 5 billion cubic meters in Juba and depending on the catchment area something similar in Shabelle.

Source: W-13 Hydraulic Behaviour of the Juba and Shabelle Rivers.pdf

Page 23-24

If deduct for evaporation, leaks etc you would be lucky to have enough water to irrigate 800k hectares. Somalia needs 10-20 million HA

Also 250k tonnes won't feed half the population and probably not even 10% if it's still 12 million.

Since these are the brutal facts we need to instead focus on how to get that foreign currency to import food.

with dams and water catchment systems we can produce and export food, water securement should be priority #1

 

[felloff]

Yes but 75 years isn't a sustainable future for any country, as that's the only source of income at the moment. That's why the UAE have opened the port in berbera and the Saudis are sniffing around the Somali government.

Somalia has loans from the world bank also like other African countries the interest alone has put them in debt forever, on a loan that has been designed to keep them indebted forever.

i feel like the arabs/turks will build everything in somalia/land from railway to schools to hospitals because they want to have first say with our resources they are useful because no other country are interested as much in somalia/land and since they will need somalia when the oil runs out they want to be in our good books somalia/land need to use all countries it can get to develop we are truely a poor and useless country we cant collect enough tax and we dont even have a good budget to stuff ourselves the westfield in stratford makes twice the amout the whole of somalia makes a year its sad

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Doesn't matter how fertile the land is if there is no water available.

High yield farms require around 8,000 cubic meters of water per HA on average (Rice is at 10-15k).

Read a few papers on our surface water capacity and I usually find a run off rate of 5 billion cubic meters in Juba and depending on the catchment area something similar in Shabelle.

Source: W-13 Hydraulic Behaviour of the Juba and Shabelle Rivers.pdf

Page 23-24

If deduct for evaporation, leaks etc you would be lucky to have enough water to irrigate 800k hectares. Somalia needs 10-20 million HA

Also 250k tonnes won't feed half the population and probably not even 10% if it's still 12 million.

Since these are the brutal facts we need to instead focus on how to get that foreign currency to import food.

You're right, but rainwater catchments and reforestation is more important for our agriculture than those two rivers. In Lower Shabelle, the largest producer in Somalia, the people mainly rely on rainwater. Somalia currently feeds 1/2 of it's population, and with modern farming technology, we can easily double that. The amount of water that just empties into the gulf of aden and the indian ocean is unbelievable and far far more than how much water we receive annually from the jubba/shabelle river.

 

[felloff]

they should make a dam between where the shabeele and juba used to meet

 

[The Cushitic One]

i feel like the arabs/turks will build everything in somalia/land from railway to schools to hospitals because they want to have first say with our resources they are useful because no other country are interested as much in somalia/land and since they will need somalia when the oil runs out they want to be in our good books somalia/land need to use all countries it can get to develop we are truely a poor and useless country we cant collect enough tax and we dont even have a good budget to stuff ourselves the westfield in stratford makes twice the amout the whole of somalia makes a year its sad

Yes but Saudi Arabia is aligned with America.

Turkey I like but again their helping for their own interests also.

I just feel, America will just turn us into the next Iraq. Steal our oil for free and occupy us and replace the government with someone who can be controlled.

Why pay for the oil, when you can simply steal it for free.

Do you think turkey, Saudi or UAE or other Arab countries helped Iraq? They lied about him having WMD's it has been proven, they had no legal right to go into Iraq and start a war.

Billions worth of oil has been stolen by the US government facts, billions more are unaccounted for now....