Secret Recording of Abdullahi Yusuf AUN released and Abdiqaasim

[Chase]

BS and you know it. The invasion of Somalia brought together the majority moderate and minority extremists element within ICU. When ICU was destroyed the extremists elements represented by AL Shabaab survived and retreated to the south adopting guerrilla warfare and prolonging the Somali civil war.




After the ICU defeated a group of CIA-funded warlords and took control of Mogadishu on June 5, 2006, there were immediate divisions and disagreements among the three primary factions composing the ICU leadership 22. The pragmatists were reluctant to endorse Shari`a based on strict Salafist interpretations as demanded by al-Shabab, and tried their best to distance themselves from the extremists’ idea of justice 23. The pragmatists were also concerned about the growing ranks of Ayro’s al-Shabab militia and its eagerness to shelter foreign al-Qa`ida operatives 24.

Pragmatists and Salafist ideologues also disagreed on various other issues, including the status of women and what the ICU’s official stance should be toward the secular TFG and its Western supporters. For obvious religious and political reasons, al-Shabab flatly rejected the pragmatists’ conciliatory approach to the TFG, which was isolated in Baidoa at the time.

The widening agendas between the Islamist factions in the ICU became irrelevant after Ethiopia invaded Somalia in December 2006. With that development, all Islamists faced a common enemy, and “alliances of convenience” were once again formed to fight the Ethiopian occupation."




"Yusuf, a former warlord who claims to be around 74 years old though he is widely believed to be several years older, has constantly rejected efforts to bring moderate Islamist opposition leaders into the government. Now that he is leaving, many Somalis hope there may be a way to rebuild the government and give the Islamists a meaningful role."



"Yusuf had become increasingly unpopular at home and abroad and was blamed by Washington, Europe and African neighbors for stalling a U.N.-hosted peace process. Yusuf returned to his homeland in the semi-autonomous northern Puntland region."

A Diagnosis of Somalia’s Failing Transitional Government – Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

This article will highlight the three main political trends that composed Somalia's Islamic Courts Union (ICU), outline how the divisions within the ICU created governance problems when it took power in June 2006, explain how these same divisions have led to the current failure of Shaykh...

ctc.usma.edu

Your own words, quote for quote:

"After the ICU defeated a group of CIA-funded warlords"

There it is, you're almost there. Who were these warlords? Which clan factions were the CIA backing? Who was engaging in senseless isbhaaro wars?

What I'm saying is this, how did the CIA gain collaboratos in the first place?

We're not falling for your bullsh!t sxb, you chose the gun, you even bragged about it "Xamar unakaah leh", own up to it, it's the least you can do.

 

[World]

Empty words, ICU was meritocracy before the organisations split into moderates and the radicals(gained huge base because of the invasion) it was not possible for qabiil to take it over and that is precisly why it became so powerful. "Abgaal will not support Sheikh Shariif" kulahaa. Who are they to speak for Abgaal?

Funny how your article is supposed to be a source for Shariif losing power before the invasion when the articles Headline is this.
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Yes after the invasion Alshabaab wing got almost zero support from Abgaals. And your articles premise of "Abgaal will not support Shariif" became historically inaccurate since Shariif enjoyed unconditional support from Abgaals when he took arms against shabaab.

The argument is so poorly put together that it's hard to believe it was in a respected journal like "Africa confidential"

Let me dumb it down for your 68 IQ Hutu brain with colours and pictures.

This is what the article says:
“The Abgal will not back Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the former ICU Executive Committee Chairman as one of their clan representatives at the NRC because he allowed Ayr leaders such as Sheikh Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Shabaab Commander Adan Hashi 'Ayro' to take control of the ICU in June last year failing to preserve the 'rightful place' of the Abgal/Mudalood/Hawiye in running Mogadishu”

This article was written in 22nd June 2007:

When was June last year as I underlined and coloured red in the article? June 2006.

When did the Ethiopian invasion take place? 20th December 2006.

In the entire 6 months of ICU rule, it was controlled by Xassan Aweys who lead the ICU council and was the real leader, with the military under the control of Al Shabab. What did the moderates control?

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Ugaas woke went from being peaceful to being a Doqon dameer with cheap insults

HAG worked with him, Geedi stood next to him and support the endeavour, do your think he would have done it without HAG support? why do we blame him as if he did it with out support or knowledge from HAG bro?

Dameerka woke seems to make it look as if the habashi were invited by yusuf, dude you literally had a PM HAG calling the moryaan warlords animals

and yes, xamar was a chimpanzee zoo, with wild animals that needed taming, Geedi said so

why didn't the donkey chimpanzees built a government since they had the capital for 15 years?


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Doqonki cagdheer listen
Nobody I mean nobody respects ali geedi ,
If any elder or mudulood/hawiye politician respected him he wouldve been a PM in Farmajos government or wouldve been a legit presidential candidate .
We dont have the same daqan as you were you celebrate the actions of the amxara slave cagjar or the tiger slave illey just because he shares same lineage as you.

You talked outta your ass when you said said there was isbaaro in the port ,
1) both ports were closed off during the warlord era
2)icu opened both ports and later closed when Ethiopia invaded somalia until it was opend again when sh shareef became president.

What law and order did A.Y bring to xamar ?

Dameerka woke seems to make it look as if the habashi were invited by yusuf, dude you literally had a PM HAG calling the moryaan warlords animals

that's why your known as doqonki ,
Warlords were allied with the warlord abdulahi Yusuf befor some of them joined UIC "united islamic courts"

Btw I didnt lie when I said abdulahi Yusuf wouldve given you to xabashas if he saw you .
If xamar was chimpanzee zoo idk why would ONLF would choose that city to hide from Ethiopian government at that time how come they didnt go to hide in jeberti cities ?

 

[World]

You’d also see in the past I condemned Hassan Aweys for the things he’s said/done after the collapse of the ICU. I am defending his record before Shabaab basically. Regardless he’s under house arrest anyway so you can get off his nuts.

This is the most ridiculous argument I’ve heard. You are saying you support ICU because Xassan Aweys wasn’t yet a terrorist.

Firstly, he was designated as a terrorist by the UN in 2001, although he had Al Qaeda ties as early as 1993.

HASSAN DAHIR AWEYS | Security Council

www.un.org

Or maybe you don’t consider his actions terrorism before Shabab because it was done in Ogaden, Puntland and Gedo? Whilst after Shabab it was against HAG communities.

 

[Chase]

You know what? Now that I think about it, Abgaal are the true visionaries and leaders of Hawiye, they're civilised and actually tried to build rapport with SNM/SSDF. It was Ali Mahdi who convinced Isaaq to give another shot in Somali unity.

Abgaal were in a war of attrition against a coalition of Bantu, HG, RX, OG, Dir, Mursade etc. Biyomaal, Tunni, Eelaay, gugundhabe, Duduble & Sheikhaal, all were allied with Aideed against Ali Mahdi. Ali Mahdi only had support from Abgaal, Wacdaan, Moobleen and Udeejeen, the true royalty and intellectuals of Hawiye.

The fact Abgaal held onto Xamar and fought them to a stalemate is a testament to their strength/tenacity, may Allah bless Ali Mahdi, a true leader, statesman, and Somali nationalist, if only he could see how low Hawiye has fallen. Inshallah I hope to meet him in the afterlife, a Libaax who saw the real munaafiq for who they were.

AUN Ali Mahdi, wallahi he was a real one.

 

[peacemaker]

Doqonki cagdheer listen
Nobody I mean nobody respects ali geedi ,
If any elder or mudulood/hawiye politician respected him he wouldve been a PM in Farmajos government or wouldve been a legit presidential candidate .
We dont have the same daqan as you were you celebrate the actions of the amxara slave cagjar or the tiger slave illey just because he shares same lineage as you.

You talked outta your ass when you said said there was isbaaro in the port ,
1) both ports were closed off during the warlord era
2)icu opened both ports and later closed when Ethiopia invaded somalia until it was opend again when sh shareef became president.

What law and order did A.Y bring to xamar ?

Dameerka woke seems to make it look as if the habashi were invited by yusuf, dude you literally had a PM HAG calling the moryaan warlords animals

that's why your known as doqonki ,
Warlords were allied with the warlord abdulahi Yusuf befor some of them joined UIC "united islamic courts"

Btw I didnt lie when I said abdulahi Yusuf wouldve given you to xabashas if he saw you .
If xamar was chimpanzee zoo idk why would ONLF would choose that city to hide from Ethiopian government at that time how come they didnt go to hide in jeberti cities ?

I dont understand your dirty mouth and insults, its shows your LOW IQ Doqon upbringing, i made my points with out insults, but go ahead f it helps you make your sentences seem more potent

Dameerki Hawiye, its war from now on, our little honey peace is over, so bring the cheap insults

The habash invasion was the best that happened, decades of war, chaos, mayhem, rape and chimpanzee behaviour out had a Karma to it and God sent a gaalo race to teach you a lesson

burning innocent grandmothers and their grand kids, raping, pillaging, this was the Hutu civilisation marks and fruits

the wild donkey had to be tamed, how the hell can the national airport have 2 spaaro?

you refused to build a government and be ruled or create government

sadly habash did not kill enough hutus , what a shame, but at elast the hutus were tamed

this is what Hutu gave somalia

 

[Rationale]

Ugaas woke went from being peaceful to being a Doqon dameer with cheap insults

HAG worked with him, Geedi stood next to him and support the endeavour, do your think he would have done it without HAG support? why do we blame him as if he did it with out support or knowledge from HAG bro?

Dameerka woke seems to make it look as if the habashi were invited by yusuf, dude you literally had a PM HAG calling the moryaan warlords animals

and yes, xamar was a chimpanzee zoo, with wild animals that needed taming, Geedi said so

why didn't the donkey chimpanzees built a government since they had the capital for 15 years?


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Tell me, who is calling Geedi a hero?
@Woke1.4rm.Shibis doesnt consider Geedi a hero. Geedi supported Ethiopia because he is and was calool u shaqeeste who did not only lose his home but his wealth to the ICU. And so did the other warlords

Then now tell me who is calling AY a hero? Support AY for whatever reason you will but don't insult our intelligence by calling him a hero

Let me dumb it down for your 68 IQ Hutu brain with colours and pictures.

This is what the article says:
“The Abgal will not back Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed the former ICU Executive Committee Chairman as one of their clan representatives at the NRC because he allowed Ayr leaders such as Sheikh Hassan Dahir 'Aweys' and Shabaab Commander Adan Hashi 'Ayro' to take control of the ICU in June last year failing to preserve the 'rightful place' of the Abgal/Mudalood/Hawiye in running Mogadishu”

This article was written in 22nd June 2007:
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When was June last year as I underlined and coloured red in the article? June 2006.

When did the Ethiopian invasion take place? 20th December 2006.

In the entire 6 months of ICU rule, it was controlled by Xassan Aweys who lead the ICU council and was the real leader, with the military under the control of Al Shabab. What did the moderates control?

Exactly it was an article written after the invasion to tell us that Abgaal's wont support Shariif against Shabaab wing. "Because he allegedly gave ICU to Ceyr". Wlh I dont even think you are being malicious on purpose, it's just that your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Dahir Aweys* was speaker of the ICU parliament/council which he was elected to as he was seen extremely competent while Sharif was the head of the movement.

If Shariif would have seen as someone who gave ICU to Ceyr, Abgaals would have not supported him against shabaab like your article suggested.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

I dont understand your dirty mouth and insults, its shows your LOW IQ Doqon upbringing, i made my points with out insults, but go ahead f it helps you make your sentences seem more potent

Dameerki Hawiye, its war from now on, our little honey peace is over, so bring the cheap insults

The habash invasion was the best that happened, decades of war, chaos, mayhem, rape and chimpanzee behaviour out had a Karma to it and God sent a gaalo race to teach you a lesson

burning innocent grandmothers and their grand kids, raping, pillaging, this was the Hutu civilisation marks and fruits

the wild donkey had to be tamed, how the hell can the national airport have 2 spaaro?

you refused to build a government and be ruled or create government

sadly habash did not kill enough hutus , what a shame, but at elast the hutus were tamed

this is what Hutu gave somalia

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Kkkk
Ugaas I just called you what every somali calls you "doqonki"
It's hardly an insult .
Your being emotional now ,you can wish ethiopians to slaughter my ppl just remember when the xabashis start to ethnic cleanse your race and your jeberti siblings deport you to xabashi prisons it will be me who will invite you to my house feed you muufo and and put shoes on your dusty long feet

 

[Kan'an]

I posted a snippet of the article because that is what is relevant to the discussion.

You said:
ICU was ran by a council. Who lead that council? Xassan Aweys.

Al Shabab leader was connected to AIAI. Who formed the originator of terrorism in Somalia AIAI? Xassan Aweys. Ayro was his protege.

You keep saying that Al Shabab was a minority and had no power. But why accept them in the first place? Their ideologies and so called “moderates” are so different that there is bound to be conflict. Now how stupid can you be to give them the real power of the organisation by leading the military? What will those so called moderates do when Al Shabab decide to finally take control?

Xassan Aweys and the likes of him may not have wanted to expand all the way to France but he was still a terrorist and has the blood of thousands of innocents in his hands. He joined Al Shabab and only left in 2013. The only reason why he left is because he’s a power hungry warlord and didn’t get a good enough position. To this day he justifies Al Shabab suicide bombing against innocents. This is who is the so called moderate that lead ICU?

Post the whole source or STFU running here with inaccessible content to make an argument. Yes they were a minroty evidence being that only 2 courts in Mogadishu out of the 13 was run by radical elements (one by Aweys the other by Al Shabaab) all other 11 courts was run by moderate faction in their own tribal district with their own courts, clerks and judges.



So you tell me @World what is the minority in this context, the radical militants who control 2 districts in Mogadshu or the main ICU force in control of the other 11 moderate districts?

What is more 2 or 11?


"The union's public face is its chairman Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, a moderate who sought to assure Somalis and the international community this week that the Islamic Courts were no threat and only wanted order.

Mr Ahmed, 32, is a law graduate from Libya and former secondary school geography teacher.

Many Somalis have turned to Islam during the years of anarchy, But the union does contain radical elements. Two of the 11 courts are seen as militant; one is led by Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, on an American list of terrorism suspects because he used to head al-Itihaad al-Islamiya, which was linked to al-Qaeda. Mr Aweys says al-Itihaad no longer exists and also denies accusations from some western diplomats and observers that there are training grounds for Islamic fighters in Somalia. He is, however, strongly critical of the United States and its "war on terror".

Hypothetical fighting between Radical and moderate factions is not the point of this discussion but the fact is ICU was largely moderate movement who brought governance back to Mogadishu and Somalia at large and your failed attempt to brush them all as terrorists to justify AYs invasion solely for qabiil reasons while lambasting everyone for doing the same.

BBC NEWS | Africa | Profile: Somalia's Islamic Courts

 

[Kan'an]

Empty words, ICU was meritocracy before the organisations split into moderates and the radicals(gained huge base because of the invasion) it was not possible for qabiil to take it over and that is precisly why it became so powerful. "Abgaal will not support Sheikh Shariif" kulahaa. Who are they to speak for Abgaal?

Funny how your article is supposed to be a source for Shariif losing power before the invasion when the articles Headline is this.
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Yes after the invasion Alshabaab wing got almost zero support from Abgaals. And your articles premise of "Abgaal will not support Shariif" became historically inaccurate since Shariif enjoyed unconditional support from Abgaals when he took arms against shabaab.

The argument is so poorly put together that it's hard to believe it was in a respected journal like "Africa confidential"

I knew he was hiding something with that out of context snippet. It just shows you how far the length he is willing to go to defend his adeer unspeakable treason to his country and the people of Mogadishu.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

@peacemaker the OGs I respect are those who are supporters of ONLF not the xabashi dhabodilifs like you or your leader Cagjar , I'm not surprised you want your overlords the xabashis to conquer the capital and ethnic cleanse my ppl . Your dhabodilif xabasha ass kisser , is disrespect to call you caghdeer from now in I'll call you small feet doqonki

 

[Calaami]

@TekNiKo kekeing in his Caabuudwaaq hammock cause y’all about to give him a platinum thread

 

[Chase]

Post the whole source or STFU running here with inaccessible content to make an argument. Yes they were a minroty evidence being that only 2 courts in Mogadishu out of the 13 was run by radical elements (one by Aweys the other by Al Shabaab) all other 11 courts was run by moderate faction in their own tribal district with their own courts, clerks and judges.



So you tell me @World what is the minority in this context, the radical militants who control 2 districts in Mogadshu or the main ICU force in control of the other 11 moderate districts?

What is more 2 or 11?


"The union's public face is its chairman Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, a moderate who sought to assure Somalis and the international community this week that the Islamic Courts were no threat and only wanted order.

Mr Ahmed, 32, is a law graduate from Libya and former secondary school geography teacher.

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Many Somalis have turned to Islam during the years of anarchy, But the union does contain radical elements. Two of the 11 courts are seen as militant; one is led by Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, on an American list of terrorism suspects because he used to head al-Itihaad al-Islamiya, which was linked to al-Qaeda. Mr Aweys says al-Itihaad no longer exists and also denies accusations from some western diplomats and observers that there are training grounds for Islamic fighters in Somalia. He is, however, strongly critical of the United States and its "war on terror".

Hypothetical fighting between Radical and moderate factions is not the point of this discussion but the fact is ICU was largely moderate movement who brought governance back to Mogadishu and Somalia at large and your failed attempt to brush them all as terrorists to justify AYs invasion solely for qabiil reasons while lambasting everyone for doing the same.

BBC NEWS | Africa | Profile: Somalia's Islamic Courts

Moderate or not, did ICU not plan to embark on a war against Puntland and non-Hawiye clans, yes or no? It's a simple question.

 

[Chase]

@TekNiKo kekeing in his Caabuudwaaq hammock cause y’all about to give him a platinum thread

 

[Kan'an]

Your own words, quote for quote:

"After the ICU defeated a group of CIA-funded warlords"

There it is, you're almost there. Who were these warlords? Which clan factions were the CIA backing? Who was engaging in senseless isbhaaro wars?

What I'm saying is this, how did the CIA gain collaboratos in the first place?

We're not falling for your bullsh!t sxb, you chose the gun, you even bragged about it "Xamar unakaah leh", own up to it, it's the least you can do.

Is that supposed to be your comeback? Both sides are Hawiye one being secular racketeering aid, looting killing and raping the people of Mogadishu the other being the Islamic court union a collation of autonomous 11 courts who defeated the qabiil warlord and brought peace to Mogadshu before AYs treason.


So ICU (Hawiye) cleaned up Mogadishu only for AY (Darood) to facilitate the invasion and bring upon the Xabashis to the capital in his never ending lust for power.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I knew he was hiding something with that out of context snippet. It just shows you how far the length he is willing to do to defend his adeer unspeakable treason to his country and the people of Mogadishu.

I believe @World is a major qabiilist and hates all things Hawiye. He’s said in the past he wants the destruction of Banadir. And he’d rather be a slave of SL than see Banadir become a federal state.

He always hides behind ‘USC killed my family, kicked me out of Xamar and stole all my properties’. I don’t buy it. I believe it’s just an excuse like his defence of Xabeshis invading Xamar just so he can fanaticise Hawiyes killed.

 

[Calaami]

I believe @World is a major qabiilist and hates all things Hawiye. He’s said in the past he wants the destruction of Banadir. And he’d rather be a slave of SL than see Banadir become a federal state.

He always hides behind ‘USC killed my family, kicked me out of Xamar and stole all my properties’. I don’t buy it. I believe it’s just an excuse like his defence of Xabeshis invading Xamar just so he can fanaticise Hawiyes killed.

I don’t think he is. A while back I had posted a wikileaks of XDA and he was the first person to call out the validity of it.

 

[Chase]

Is that supposed to be your comeback? Both sides are Hawiye one being secular racketeering aid, looting killing and raping the people of Mogadishu the other being the Islamic court union a collation of autonomous 11 courts who defeated the qabiil warlord and brought peace to Mogadshu before AYs treason.


So ICU (Hawiye) cleaned up Mogadishu only for AY (Darood) to facilitate the invasion and bring upon the Xabashis to the capital in his never ending lust for power.

Bruh, you're not getting what I'm trying to say, why was a "clean-up" needed in the first place? Let's say that Ethiopia was afraid of Somalia (a Somalia with no navy, air assets or battalions, basically any semblance of a military command/structure), they wouldnt have invaded if the USC didn't decide to go guns blazing in the 90s, correct? We're in this whole mess because of your clan, that's it, I don't know why you guys can't seem to grasp this simple point.

 

[Kan'an]

Bruh, you're not getting what I'm trying to say, why was a "clean-up" needed in the first place? Let's say that Ethiopia was afraid of Somalia (a Somalia with no navy, air assets or battalions, basically any semblance of a military command/structure), they wouldnt have invaded if the USC didn't decide to go guns blazing in the 90s, correct? We're in this whole mess because of your clan, that's it, I don't know why you guys can't seem to grasp this simple point.

They invaded because once Hawiye got their shit together they found a willing Somali daboliif ah willing to set us back to the Stone Age. Your argument is ridiculous and the whole premise is why USC fought each other did the Somali state start in 1991? Why stop here, I could argue MOD (Darood government) takes the blame for agonizing and fueling clan wars for the best part of 21 years leading to the Somali rebellion, state collapse, era of warlords and finally the Ethiopian invasion.


See. We could all rewind the clock and dig up your dirty laundry to blame you for the current situation. What a stupid argument. Kulaha USC caused the invasion, no cause & effect whatsoever, grasping at straws to avoid holding AY responsibility of the invasion.

 

[World]

I believe @World is a major qabiilist and hates all things Hawiye. He’s said in the past he wants the destruction of Banadir. And he’d rather be a slave of SL than see Banadir become a federal state.

He always hides behind ‘USC killed my family, kicked me out of Xamar and stole all my properties’. I don’t buy it. I believe it’s just an excuse like his defence of Xabeshis invading Xamar just so he can fanaticise Hawiyes killed.

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In my opinion I would prefer all my land under Puntland. That’s why I don’t want a state. I don’t want harti lands divided. Also me being against benadir state doesn’t mean I want hawiye killed or want benadir destruction wtf stop making shit up.