Secret Recording of Abdullahi Yusuf AUN released and Abdiqaasim

[Rationale]

They invaded because once Hawiye got their shit together they found a willing Somali daboliif ah willing to set us back to the Stone Age. Your argument is ridiculous and the whole premise is why USC fought each other did the Somali state start in 1991? Why stop here, I could argue MOD (Darood government) takes the blame for agonizing and fueling clan wars for the best part of 21 years leading to the Somali rebellion, state collapse, era of warlords and finally the Ethiopian invasion.


See. We could all rewind the clock and dig up your dirty laundry to blame you for the current situation. What a stupid argument. Kulaha USC caused the invasion, no cause & effect whatsoever, grasping at straws to avoid holding AY responsibility of the invasion.

He is someone who despises warlords but loves AY.
If he is willing to play mental gymnastics of that magnitude. Reasoning is waste of time.

 

[World]

I knew he was hiding something with that out of context snippet. It just shows you how far the length he is willing to go to defend his adeer unspeakable treason to his country and the people of Mogadishu.

It is the opposite, I used to support ICU because I weren’t fully educated but once I dug deeper into their history and got all the facts, I repented.

Inside Al-Shabaab: The Secret History of Al-Qaeda’s Most Powerful Ally​

 

[Kan'an]

It is the opposite, I used to support ICU because I weren’t fully educated but once I dug deeper into their history and got all the facts, I repented.
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Inside Al-Shabaab: The Secret History of Al-Qaeda’s Most Powerful Ally​

ICU survived the Warlords and was more powerful than Al Shabaab, its chance of survival prior to the invasion is not a matter of debate, nor are its majority moderate factions. Al Shabaab outlasted ICU because they adopted guerrilla warfare, unlike ICU, who straight up fought Ethiopian tanks with Tikniko in the open fields.

If you point to Aweys to brush ICU as terrorists, I could point to the more powerful and the official chairman of the ICU at that time, Sheikh Sharif. Nothing justifies what happened to ICU.

 

[World]

The education secretary of the ICU was Fuad Shangole.

This terrorist was killed TODAY by an air strike. This is who would be educating the new generation of Somalis if ICU remained in power.

 

[Chase]

They invaded because once Hawiye got their shit together they found a willing Somali daboliif ah willing to set us back to the Stone Age. Your argument is ridiculous and the whole premise is why USC fought each other did the Somali state start in 1991? Why stop here, I could argue MOD (Darood government) takes the blame for agonizing and fueling clan wars for the best part of 21 years leading to the Somali rebellion, state collapse, era of warlords and finally the Ethiopian invasion.


See. We could all rewind the clock and dig up your dirty laundry to blame you for the current situation. What a stupid argument. Kulaha USC caused the invasion, no cause & effect whatsoever, grasping at straws to avoid holding AY responsibility of the invasion.

Again, quote for quote:

"They invaded because once Hawiye got their shit together"

There you go, you just inadvertently admitted Hawiye dropped the ball, had it not been for you, Isaaq would still be here willing to work things out, do you seriously believe the SNM went for independence because of Darood? Nah, once the USC declared their jihaad, they packed up and left. SNM like SSDF supported a Ali Mahdi presidency, but Aideed couldn't handle it, and look where that got him, succumbing to a bullet shot by his own HG.

When Majeerteen were slaughtered (btw MOD targetted us too), we still gave you the benefit of the doubt, and thought that you would finally see reason and come back to your senses. Did that happen? No, therefore Puntland was born.

Barre accomplished some good deeds, maybe even great, but the man became a full blown psychopath in the end. SSDF, SPM and even various MX clans fought with you side by side to evict him from Xamar, and how did you repay this favour? By massacring innocents and squatting in the homes of their dead relatives you murdered in cold blood.

Somali daboliif ah willing to set us back to the Stone Age.

Nigga, YOU set us back to the stone age, that was YOU, stop blaming others and take responsibility for once in your life, acuudubillah.

 

[World]

ICU survived the Warlords and was more powerful than Al Shabaab, its chance of survival prior to the invasion is not a matter of debate, nor are its majority moderate factions. Al Shabaab outlasted ICU because they adopted guerrilla warfare, unlike ICU, who straight up fought Ethiopian tanks with Tikniko in the open fields.

If you point to Aweys to brush ICU as terrorists, I could point to the more powerful and the official chairman of the ICU at that time, Sheikh Sharif. Nothing justifies what happened to ICU.

All decision making came under Aweys who was the leader of the 80 person shura council. If they chose this man to lead them, a designated terrorist with the blood of thousands, who personally conducted two suicide bombing on hotels, then they deserve what happened.

 

[Chase]

All decision making came under Aweys who was the leader of the 80 person shura council. If they chose this man to lead them, a designated terrorist with the blood of thousands, who personally conducted two suicide bombing on hotels, then they deserve what happened.

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Like I said before, ICU = USC 2.0 using a Shariah front, they used the dheen to accomplish their qabilayad objectives, they intended to wage war on Puntland with the aim of enacting genocide like their predecessors, Alx they were crushed.

If they were so innocent like the HAG commentors here keep insisting on, why did they refuse to establish a national government with the rest of Somalia? Simple, they wanted to finish what they started in the 90s.

 

[Sajid]

ICU were better than the eastern Abyssinia

 

[World]

Like I said before, ICU = USC 2.0 using a Shariah front, they used the dheen to accomplish their qabilayad objectives, they intended to wage war on Puntland with the aim of enacting genocide like their predecessors, Alx they were crushed.

If they were so innocent like the HAG commentors here keep insisting on, why did they refuse to establish a national government with the rest of Somalia? Simple, they wanted to finish what they started in the 90s.

They want us to believe that the likes of indhacade, a prominent ICU leader, is a religious Sheikh who wants shariah. Same warlord who raped and murdered people in lower shabelle, displacing the natives, bringing his own clan to inhabit the region and taxed people for using river water.

 

[Kan'an]

Again, quote for quote:

"They invaded because once Hawiye got their shit together"

There you go, you just inadvertently admitted Hawiye dropped the ball, had it not been for you, Isaaq would still be here willing to work things out, do you seriously believe the SNM went for independence because of Darood? Nah, once the USC declared their jihaad, they packed up and left. SNM like SSDF supported a Ali Mahdi presidency, but Aideed couldn't handle it, and look where that got him, succumbing to a bullet shot by his own HG.

When Majeerteen were slaughtered (btw MOD targetted us too), we still gave you the benefit of the doubt, and thought that you would finally see reason and come back to your senses. Did that happen? No, therefore Puntland was born.

Barre accomplished some good deeds, maybe even great, but the man became a full blown psychopath in the end. SSDF, SPM and even various MX clans fought with you side by side to evict him from Xamar, and how did you repay this favour? By massacring innocents and squatting in the homes of their dead relatives you murdered in cold blood.



Nigga, YOU set us back to the stone age, that was YOU, stop blaming others and take responsibility for once in your life, acuudubillah.

Hawiye had clan's war and moved on with ICU, so what? Darood (SSDF,SPM SNF) and Isaaq(SNM) also had clan wars in the past. Is that a good reason to call a foreign army and bomb their capital to oblivion?

Dabaqodii foqol dabaqodii If I list Darood atrocities I will never end.

All decision making came under Aweys who was the leader of the 80 person shura council. If they chose this man to lead them, a designated terrorist with the blood of thousands, who personally conducted two suicide bombing on hotels, then they deserve what happened.

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Another misleading quote. Heading the parliament is not the same as making the decision solely or directly, that is its called Shuraa. Consultative/legislative role with 88 delegates. This is from your own source.

2 courts out of 13 and head of Parliament, still not a majority radical movement.

 

[Kan'an]

They want us to believe that the likes of indhacade, a prominent ICU leader, is a religious Sheikh who wants shariah. Same warlord who raped and murdered people in lower shabelle, displacing the natives, bringing his own clan to inhabit the region and taxed people for using river water.

No, but you want us to believe the treacherous AY had Hawiyes best interest at heart when he called our eternal enemy to Mogadshu and empowered Al Shabaab.




ICU >>>>>>>>> AY

 

[Rationale]

It is the opposite, I used to support ICU because I weren’t fully educated but once I dug deeper into their history and got all the facts, I repented.
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Inside Al-Shabaab: The Secret History of Al-Qaeda’s Most Powerful Ally​

On one hand we have an organisation with a 6 months of absolutely clean track record and rule of law and achievements unthinkable in the South. Locals biggest critisism of the ICU was the ban on Jaad imports and the ban of charchoal export.

On the other hand we have Ethiopia(with a track record of funding jabhads and inciting instability in Somalia) and it's partners, the very same warlord's that were behind most of the crimes and massacres for over a decade and half, the same warlords that were responsible for the general instability in Somalia.

I can see that the objective conclusion to make is support the warlords.


Your souce is a book written in 2011 by an American journalist to justify the American backed invasion. Who is to say that most of those men were not radicalised to that extent by the gaal invasion of their homeland?

ICU MIGHT have succumbed to Shabaab, is not a good argument to support the invasion, specially considering that we all knew what the warlords stood for.

 

[World]

Hawiye had clan's war and moved on with ICU, so what? Darood (SSDF,SPM SNF) and Isaaq(SNM) also had clan wars in the past. Is that a good reason to call a foreign army and bomb their capital to oblivion?

Dabaqodii foqol dabaqodii If I list Darood atrocities I will never end.




Another misleading quote. Heading the parliament is not the same as making the decision solely or directly, that is its called Shuraa. Consultative/legislative role with 88 delegates. This is from your own source.


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2 courts out of 13 and head of Parliament, still not a majority radical movement.

Everything is fake news to you, i cba debating with someone who doesn’t want to hear the truth.

4/13 of the courts joined to form Al Shabab. These were: Yaqshid, raskamboni, salahuddin, el-garas.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Everything is fake news to you, i cba debating with someone who doesn’t want to hear the truth.

4/13 of the courts joined to form Al Shabab. These were: Yaqshid, raskamboni, salahuddin, el-garas.

You started off saying Shabaab was in control of ICU. Now you accept even after Ethippian invaded Somalia on behalf of xabeshi slave AY that a minority of courts ended up joining. You even said Ceyr controlled ICU and that Abgaal didn’t support ICU. You also claimed AY was fighting warlord ICU when AY was the warlord himself and had the support of all the former warlords ICU defeated.

All of the fake news was coming from you and now you accuse others of it after every lie was debunked.

 

[Kan'an]

Like I said before, ICU = USC 2.0 using a Shariah front, they used the dheen to accomplish their qabilayad objectives, they intended to wage war on Puntland with the aim of enacting genocide like their predecessors, Alx they were crushed.

If they were so innocent like the HAG commentors here keep insisting on, why did they refuse to establish a national government with the rest of Somalia? Simple, they wanted to finish what they started in the 90s.

Thats like me saying AY TFG was another SSDF wearing Ethiopian Dirac. OK if you lust power so much, why not invade Mogadishu by your own? You had MJ, HG and Rahawneyne troops on your side but opted to call in a mechanized army of Xabesha our eternal enemy to set Mogadishu on fire for decades to come.


If ICU are bad as you say how come they outperformed TFG, what does that say about AY?

 

[World]

You started off saying Shabaab was in control of ICU. Now you accept even after Ethippian invaded Somalia on behalf of xabeshi slave AY that a minority of courts ended up joining. You even said Ceyr controlled ICU and that Abgaal didn’t support ICU. You also claimed AY was fighting warlord ICU when AY was the warlord himself and had the support of all the former warlords ICU defeated.

All of the fake news was coming from you and now you accuse others of it after every lie was debunked.

My points are clear to all non-Hawiye who have no vested interests in supporting terrorism, and Hawiye who likewise don’t let qabiil blind them into supporting terrorism.

 

[FBIsomalia]

You know what? Now that I think about it, Abgaal are the true visionaries and leaders of Hawiye, they're civilised and actually tried to build rapport with SNM/SSDF. It was Ali Mahdi who convinced Isaaq to give another shot in Somali unity.

Abgaal were in a war of attrition against a coalition of Bantu, HG, RX, OG, Dir, Mursade etc. Biyomaal, Tunni, Eelaay, gugundhabe, Duduble & Sheikhaal, all were allied with Aideed against Ali Mahdi. Ali Mahdi only had support from Abgaal, Wacdaan, Moobleen and Udeejeen, the true royalty and intellectuals of Hawiye.

The fact Abgaal held onto Xamar and fought them to a stalemate is a testament to their strength/tenacity, may Allah bless Ali Mahdi, a true leader, statesman, and Somali nationalist, if only he could see how low Hawiye has fallen. Inshallah I hope to meet him in the afterlife, a Libaax who saw the real munaafiq for who they were.

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AUN Ali Mahdi, wallahi he was a real one.

I think guy is alive, he build tower in xamar.

 

[Kan'an]

Everything is fake news to you, i cba debating with someone who doesn’t want to hear the truth.

4/13 of the courts joined to form Al Shabab. These were: Yaqshid, raskamboni, salahuddin, el-garas.

Raskamboni are Ogaden militia headed by Madoobe at that time, Salahu Al diin was headed by an Isaaq (Godane) They are not reps for native reer Mogadishu.


Do the math you idiot, an Ogaden and Isaaq led groups would never stand a chance against the 11 other courts of ICU in the heart of Mogadishu (Hawiye)


I see you completely dropped the exposed source saying hes merely head of Parliament of 88 delegates, not the direct absolute commander of the Shura like you alluded to earlier.

https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-2006-06-25-voa23/322876.html

 

[Kan'an]

My points are clear to all non-Hawiye who have no vested interests in supporting terrorism, and Hawiye who likewise don’t let qabiil blind them into supporting terrorism.

It is clear for everyone with brain cells that destroying ICU for shortsighted qabiil motives was the biggest mistake of the decade. He admitted himself that he failed his duty as so-called president and left the country in worst shape than when he come to power.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Thats like me saying AY TFG was another SSDF wearing Ethiopian Dirac. OK if you lust power so much, why not invade Mogadishu by your own? You had MJ, HG and Rahawneyne troops on your side but opted to call in a mechanized army of Xabesha our eternal enemy to set Mogadishu on fire for decades to come.


If ICU are bad as you say how come they outperformed TFG, what does that say about AY?

This is what I don’t get. They pretend ICU was a force coming to kill them all therefore AY was forced to bring in Xabeshis. Ignoring that sufi HG and RX were willing fighters with his imported MJ forces if he thought he had the popular support of the Somali ppl why not? ICU was popular across the South where OG, Dir, RX settled, not just Hawiye.

The truth is they knew that even their people didn’t support the TFG/federalism so as one of the last remaining warlords AY felt threatened and once again dropped his pants for the Xabeshis to save him.