Secular Somali or Salafi Somali: Which do you prefer?

[Mohamud]

No offence dude but if Atheist calacal is your biggest beef with atheists ad secularists then how about you hop over to this side and see what our biggest beef with Muslims is. Shall we compare and contrast?

Instutuonal breakdowns is not possible when ideas are not free to slowed to be exchanged without threats. Even bad unpopular ideas.

It's not my biggest beef: it's their primary method of communication and it's tiresome. Usually a relatively young crowd with minimal understanding of the socioeconomic realities that plague most of the third world. To many of them it's a tragic 'just eliminate Islam and things gon' get better'. It infuriating seeing people minimize crucial components of life and turn grey areas into ideological battlefields they can score points on.

You can't pretend like the ex-muslim community doesn't comes off as a pedantic, whiny bunch.

And I already stated secularism is the way to go regardless of my own presumptions. Trust me I'm not deafening myself to the horrific nature of Islamic terrorism and theocratic conventions.

 

[Yahya Liban-Lewis]

It's not my biggest beef: it's their primary method of communication and it's tiresome. Usually a relatively young crowd with minimal understanding of the socioeconomic realities that plague most of the third world. To many of them it's a tragic 'just eliminate Islam and things gon' get better'. It infuriating seeing people minimize crucial components of life and turn grey areas into ideological battlefields they can score points on.

You can't pretend like the ex-muslim community comes off as a pedantic, whiny bunch.

And I already stated secularism is the way to go regardless of my own presumptions. Trust me I'm not deafening myself to the horrific nature of Islamic terrorism and theocratic conventions.

What's your qabil?

 

[Mohamud]

What's your qabil?

Habar Memes

 

[Yahya Liban-Lewis]

Habar Memes

Same

 

[Apollo]

You can adhere to secularism and still be religious.

 

[Bahal]

It's just unaesthetic

 

[Bahal]

Look how nice they look compared to the miserable looking folks these days

 

[Lone Wanderer]

I don't understand the question. Are you talking about Somalis or Somalia?

 

[Inactive]

I avoided Somalia because I want a discussion that includes all Somalis.

Any Somali place.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Look how nice they look compared to the miserable looking folks these days

Are you going to strip them like how your secular buddies in France do to Muslim women?

Why can't you just let women chose what they want to wear out of their own free choice?

 

[Ferrari]

Neither. Both are extremist.

 

[dhegdheer]

I like how everyone is arguing for freedom of choice when it comcerns the jilbab yet u wouldn't have it the other way around.

Mashallah all them women chose to wear it out of their own free will, so pious so mashallah.

 

[Bahal]

Are you going to strip them like how your secular buddies in France do to Muslim women?

Why can't you just let women chose what they want to wear out of their own free choice?

Worry about what Arab women wear

 

[Ferrari]

Look how nice they look compared to the miserable looking folks these days

The implementation of the jilbaab is the root cause for poverty and people looking so "miserable"? I wonder if it has something to do with the lack of government, a civil war which caused millions including you and myself to scatter around the globe like gypsis, killed 100ks of others. Perhaps a outside parties taking advantage of the insecurity of our borders/coasts, stealing from us, killing us, turning us against each other?

So if we revert back to the secular regime we had before the civil war, poverty will disappear?

 

[Bahal]

No, that's not what I meant.

I just mean people generally look uglier and unhappier these days. I'm coming from a purely fashion perspective as strange as that sounds.

The multicolored jilbaab and mismatching business casual has got to go

 

[OmarLittle]

Freedom of choice is the way which is secularism.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

No, that's not what I meant.

I just mean people generally look uglier and unhappier these days. I'm coming from a purely fashion perspective as strange as that sounds.

The multicolored jilbaab and mismatching business casual has got to go

I think people generally look beautiful and happier. I'm coming from a purely fashion perspective as strange as that sounds.

The multicolored jilbaab and mismatching business casual is the free choice of women

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Somalia can't be secular as much as I would like it to be. Somalis would be up in arms over it. These people focus on what women wear over their countries health, what makes you think they'll be ok with secularism. I prefer the UAE model when it comes to secularism for the time being.

As for jilbaab, when strife occurs its human nature to either turn to religion or turn away from it. Perfect examples are slavery, WWII (Holocaust, London bombings), etc. In Somalia's case the people turned to religion and Allah to protect themselves in their opinion from the anarchy around them. Some Somalis as this forum shows turned the other way to Atheism.

In Somalia, jilbaab is a norm rather than the rule. The rule is if your kid is above primary school they should probably wear it until they marry or reach their 20's. This is avoid their kids being the subject of targeting and rape.

 

[Bielsa]

I think people generally look beautiful and happier. I'm coming from a purely fashion perspective as strange as that sounds.

The multicolored jilbaab and mismatching business casual is the free choice of women

Most of you Somalis don't believe in freedom of choice though.

 

[bluebird]

No, that's not what I meant.

I just mean people generally look uglier and unhappier these days. I'm coming from a purely fashion perspective as strange as that sounds.

The multicolored jilbaab and mismatching business casual has got to go

I don't like it either tbh. I like jilbabs that are all black or styled differently as in some other cultures but the somali one makes anyone look ashy and overweight and it makes them immobile.

but I don't like when people bring up jilbab when they have bigger issues than fashion.