Should isolationism policy continue?

[Gadhwayne]

Not sure if you're familiar with History but your SNM "fighters" literally gave up when Ethiopia expelled their militias, Tuke and Gaani were mercilessly slaughtering your ilk in 1990 and wrecking your towns until the corpses of your folk littered the earth. Where was SNM then?!! USC defeated Siad Barre forcing the armed forces to disintegrate and abandon their posts. You didn't defeat shit boy.

I knew you would ADMIT your laangaab status by default. "Compare 20 generations sub clans of Darood with our Little Isaaq community"
Embarrassing stuff.

Still, almost 5 different Darood sub clans dwarf your little Isaaq clan in numbers. Miskiin

CabdiCaziiz Cali Barré had to run away from the bulk of SNA military equipment because it was based in the North. Once foreign CAYDH stopped, SNM and USC crushed clan militias supporting Afweyne. The key was foreign CAYDH running out. What does it say about united Jabarti alliance if they lost to just Isaaq minority?

SNM made NaageeyeAxmed run from Sanaag even went into Northern Sool. There is a place called Buur Caani. Renamed QoodheTaag after HY crushed NA militia. SNM were winning against proAfweyne clan militias till they signed peace in Burco.

So again, what does it say about Al Jabarti of Yemen if Isaaq did this in 1991. Let's even pretend Isaaq is smaller than even the mythical Ciisa AlJabarti

For those who dont know Jabarti mythology, Ciisa AlJabarti is a mythical Jabarti clan cursed by Shiikh AlJabarti. Shiikh Jabarti left Yemeni oppression of his ethnic group, the Jabarti. AlJabarti came to Xiis, which is now an ISAAQ town. Ciisa AlJabarti has been cursed to be a clan made of just a few survivors.

So Jabartis have lost Xiis and other places to Isaaq minority. SNM forced proAfweyne clans to sign peace on SNM terms

 

[Gadhwayne]

You are slow my nigga

No my friend you are. I deleted the original. You replied while I was editing the new post.

Anyways now I know FaadumaCali. Btw inanta Boqor Cismaan was called Amina notCaaisha if she is the one in the Collin book.

Thanks for info about FadumoCali

 

[Karim]

CabdiCaziiz Cali Barré had to run away from the bulk of SNA military equipment because it was based in the North. Once foreign CAYDH stopped, SNM and USC crushed clan militias supporting Afweyne. The key was foreign CAYDH running out. What does it say about united Jabarti alliance if they lost to just Isaaq minority?

SNM made NaageeyeAxmed run from Sanaag even went into Northern Sool. There is a place called Buur Caani. Renamed QoodheTaag after HY crushed NA militia. SNM were winning against proAfweyne clan militias till they signed peace in Burco.

So again, what does it say about Al Jabarti of Yemen if Isaaq did this in 1991. Let's even pretend Isaaq is smaller than even the mythical Ciisa AlJabarti

For those who dont know Jabarti mythology, Ciisa AlJabarti is a mythical Jabarti clan cursed by Shiikh AlJabarti. Shiikh Jabarti left Yemeni oppression of his ethnic group, the Jabarti. AlJabarti came to Xiis, which is now an ISAAQ town. Ciisa AlJabarti has been cursed to be a clan made of just a few survivors.

So Jabartis have lost Xiis and other places to Isaaq minority. SNM forced proAfweyne clans to sign peace on SNM terms

"Cabdicaziz ali barre had to run from equipments"... Only an idiot with an IQ of 32 would respond to a comment that literally mentioned how armed forces disintegrated and abandoned their posts... Did you add something extra to my initial comment?!! Abdiaziz Ali Barre and his army left the North and each soldier headed to his hometown. The heavy equipment had to be left behind because it needed strategic support and planning to be moved elsewhere.

Plus, I've seen you repeatedly spew your inaccurate fairytale about QoodheTaag... It wasn't even a battle but a cowardly act by the HY militias. Naaleeye Axmed elders and HY elders agreed on a comprehensive conference to end enmity between them, Naleye Ahmed elders casually arrived on the agreed location, 45 of them, suddenly HY militias attacked them with impunity murdering most of the elders. Do you call that a victory boy?!! An ape motherfucker like yourself would celebrate such cowardly act.


Enough of deflecting from the topic. The topic was about the size of your little enclave. Talk about your mortifying and embarrassing numbers below the 1.8M mark kkkkk

 

[shum33]

Not sure if you're familiar with History but your SNM "fighters" literally gave up when Ethiopia expelled their militias, Tuke and Gaani were mercilessly slaughtering your ilk in 1990 and wrecking your towns until the corpses of your folk littered the earth. Where was SNM then?!! USC defeated Siad Barre forcing the armed forces to disintegrate and abandon their posts. You didn't defeat shit boy.

I knew you would ADMIT your laangaab status by default. "Compare 20 generations sub clans of Darood with our Little Isaaq community"
Embarrassing stuff.

Still, almost 5 different Darood sub clans dwarf your little Isaaq clan in numbers. Miskiin

Are you confusing SSDF and SNM? The first chairman of SSDF was isaaq cause they were considered to be more capable and educated. Your SSDF gave up and bent over
Most of the kacaan garrison was in the north that allowed even USC (who were our partners and we even trained some of their leaders) to take mogadishu and ran Barre out of the south meanwhile Abdillahi Yusuf was some habeshi's prison ( god only knows what they did to him with the ogaden war still fresh in their minds)
Mj women were raped and MJ elders were tortured and killed but what did you snake bastards do? join up with the one person that btch slapped you
SNM defeated kacaan( 3000 vs 30000),which war did MJ ever win????? you fellow daroods call you naago

Here a census based on qabil did by italians and we still outnumber your filthy barbarians i guess amina's,fadumo's e.t.c malaab wasn't enough

 

[shum33]

@Karim

 

[Ayubi]

@Karim
View attachment 96059

First of all, bring the link or reference to your source, screen shots aren't enough. Also, Italian or colonial references aren't reliable. Some tribes were considered more friendlier than others so they could manipulate the census and dominate others.

This source includes Ethiopia and NFD.

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Somalia has one major ethnic group, one language, and one religion. The existence of six major clans — Daarood (35 percent of the population), Hawiye (23 percent), Isaaq (23 percent), Digil and Rahanwayan (11 percent of the population) and the Dir (7 percent of the population).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/006.html

 

[Karim]

Are you confusing SSDF and SNM? The first chairman of SSDF was isaaq cause they were considered to be more capable and educated. Your SSDF gave up and bent over
Most of the kacaan garrison was in the north that allowed even USC (who were our partners and we even trained some of their leaders) to take mogadishu and ran Barre out of the south meanwhile Abdillahi Yusuf was some habeshi's prison ( god only knows what they did to him with the ogaden war still fresh in their minds)
Mj women were raped and MJ elders were tortured and killed but what did you snake bastards do? join up with the one person that btch slapped you
SNM defeated kacaan( 3000 vs 30000),which war did MJ ever win????? you fellow daroods call you naago
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Here a census based on qabil did by italians and we still outnumber your filthy barbarians i guess amina's,fadumo's e.t.c malaab wasn't enough

There's no point in repeatedly posting 70 year old population "estimate" driven by colonial hatred for the Darod clan. And remember, it was 70 years ago.

Why are you deflecting from discussing the recent 2014 UNFPA report?!! That report isn't published by vile colonialist holding extreme grudges against the Darods. According to the 2014 UNFPa report your clan is merely 1.7-1.85M Maximum. Talk about that humiliating number.

The Somali Population is almost 13M according to that report, that means your awful clan is just 12% of the population.

What happened to the magical 22% number recently posted by you?!!

 

[Gadhwayne]

"Cabdicaziz ali barre had to run from equipments"... Only an idiot with an IQ of 32 would respond to a comment that literally mentioned how armed forces disintegrated and abandoned their posts... Did you add something extra to my initial comment?!! Abdiaziz Ali Barre and his army left the North and each soldier headed to his hometown. The heavy equipment had to be left behind because it needed strategic support and planning to be moved elsewhere.

Plus, I've seen you repeatedly spew your inaccurate fairytale about QoodheTaag... It wasn't even a battle but a cowardly act by the HY militias. Naaleeye Axmed elders and HY elders agreed on a comprehensive conference to end enmity between them, Naleye Ahmed elders casually arrived on the agreed location, 45 of them, suddenly HY militias attacked them with impunity murdering most of the elders. Do you call that a victory boy?!! An ape motherfucker like yourself would celebrate such cowardly act.


Enough of deflecting from the topic. The topic was about the size of your little enclave. Talk about your mortifying and embarrassing numbers below the 1.8M mark kkkkk

I will skip your persol insult and focus on the defeat of your idol President BigMouth, who started his career as a POLICEMAN for Italy. NO MILITARY experience. Till AFTER 1960. He was a policeman not a soldier UNTIL his Italian masters left.

Back to 1991
In other words, the the Big Jabartib ethnic group not only lost Xiis, their ancesteral hometown, to tiny little new comer Isaaq, the Jabarti ethnic group also left their heavy military equipment to SNM in 1991. Isaaq is the minority that now producre leaders for the children of your Aabbe Afweyne. And yes Afweyne lost despite foreign CAYDH for his promise to join Masiixis in prayer to Ciisa caleyhi salaam.

I don't think you represent MJ sentiments based on your dogged antiSNM zeal. Defending Afweyne? against SNM? not typical MJ behaviour.


BTW the main issue was the North potentially reuniting with the South. If it happens, it will be on Isaaq terms

@Karim
View attachment 96059

First of all, bring the link or reference to your source, screen shots aren't enough. Also, Italian or colonial references aren't reliable. Some tribes were considered more friendlier than others so they could manipulate the census and dominate others.

This source includes Ethiopia and NFD.

View attachment 88427

Somalia has one major ethnic group, one language, and one religion. The existence of six major clans — Daarood (35 percent of the population), Hawiye (23 percent), Isaaq (23 percent), Digil and Rahanwayan (11 percent of the population) and the Dir (7 percent of the population).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/006.html

There's no point in repeatedly posting 70 year old population "estimate" driven by colonial hatred for the Darod clan. And remember, it was 70 years ago.

Why are you deflecting from discussing the recent 2014 UNFPA report?!! That report isn't published by vile colonialist holding extreme grudges against the Darods. According to the 2014 UNFPa report your clan is merely 1.7-1.85M Maximum. Talk about that humiliating number.

The Somali Population is almost 13M according to that report, that means your awful clan is just 12% of the population.

What happened to the magical 22% number recently posted by you?!!

Let's not argue about what clan has what numbers. I would say DIR ALONE are bigger than Jabartis and Isaaq COMBINED because of all the Qoti/Oromo speaking Dir in Hararga Itoobiya it doesn't matter

 

[shum33]

First of all, bring the link or reference to your source, screen shots aren't enough. Also, Italian or colonial references aren't reliable. Some tribes were considered more friendlier than others so they could manipulate the census and dominate others.

This source includes Ethiopia and NFD.

View attachment 88427

Somalia has one major ethnic group, one language, and one religion. The existence of six major clans — Daarood (35 percent of the population), Hawiye (23 percent), Isaaq (23 percent), Digil and Rahanwayan (11 percent of the population) and the Dir (7 percent of the population).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/006.html

that is not a source kid thats an article written by some dude called okonkow

here is another census which shows hargeisa alone had more people then the whole of murgitania. Also you idiot we are talking about somalia not some oromo waaqist in habeshistan

sources:
Area Handbook for Somalia: Co-authors: Irving Kaplan

 

[Ayubi]

that is not a source kid thats an article written by some dude called okonkow

here is another census which shows hargeisa alone had more people then the whole of murgitania. Also you idiot we are talking about somalia not some oromo waaqist in habeshistan
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sources:
Area Handbook for Somalia: Co-authors: Irving Kaplan

When was this and when was the book written? You can't just quote any book and you need to prove it's reliable. Also, I asked you for a link or source.

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Somalia has one major ethnic group, one language, and one religion. The existence of six major clans — Daarood (35 percent of the population), Hawiye (23 percent), Isaaq (23 percent), Digil and Rahanwayan (11 percent of the population) and the Dir (7 percent of the population).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/006.html[/QUOTE]

 

[shum33]

colonial hatred for the Darod clan

wallah you talk like a woman!!! they didn't support your retarded claims so "they iz jus haTerz" foh!! you are nothing in somalia the only thing that gave you barbarians any importants is somalinimo as soon as the thick headed hawiye and rx wake up you are finished

70 years ago was the only time a census was done based on qabil,it is the only thing we have to show the number of each clans a few decades ago.

Why are you deflecting from discussing the recent 2014 UNFPA report?!! That report isn't published by vile colonialist holding extreme grudges against the Darods. According to the 2014 UNFPa report your clan is merely 1.7-1.85M Maximum. Talk about that humiliating number.

how am i deflected? what exactly do you find hard to understand that the estimates did not mention clan or qabil?
is your cuqdad making you stupid sxb ? there is no census done based on qabil in modern times do you think isaaq only live in two cities? more than half of sool,sanaag and awdal is isaaq and more are in ethiopia. nigga!!!

The Somali Population is almost 13M according to that report, that means your awful clan is just 12% of the population.

What happened to the magical 22% number recently posted by you?!

how old are you bro? you are eigther very dumb,full of hate or just 15
explanation is above,i can't i just can't

 

[shum33]

When was this and when was the book written? You can't just quote any book and you need to prove it's reliable. Also, I asked you for a link or source.

View attachment 88427

Somalia has one major ethnic group, one language, and one religion. The existence of six major clans — Daarood (35 percent of the population), Hawiye (23 percent), Isaaq (23 percent), Digil and Rahanwayan (11 percent of the population) and the Dir (7 percent of the population).

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/33/006.html

[/QUOTE]
nigga i posted the name of the book go find out don't post articles written by ufufufwe

 

[Karim]

@shum33 actually the 2014 report also released individual district information, it's obviously a bad news for you.

• W/Galbeed: 1.24MT
• Togdheer(-minus Buuhoodle 83k): 630k
• Ceel Afwayn (99k)+ Half Ceerigaabo (102k): 201k in Sanaag.
• Ceynaba (59k)

Total: 1,242,00+630,000+201,000+59,000=
2.1M and I am being generous here.. trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in many districts like Gebilay with a lot of Gadabuursi population.

That's the maximum number (2.1M) of your enclave. Pure statistical facts.

Even if you increase that number by another 200k you would still be short of 2.4M LMAO

Embrace your laangaab title 11d00r boy

 

[shum33]

@shum33 actually the 2014 report also released individual district information, it's obviously a bad news for you.

• W/Galbeed: 1.24MT
• Togdheer(-minus Buuhoodle 83k): 630k
• Ceel Afwayn (99k)+ Half Ceerigaabo (102k): 201k in Sanaag.
• Ceynaba (59k)

Total: 1,242,00+630,000+201,000+59,000=
2.1M and I am being generous here.. trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in many districts like Gebilay with a lot of Gadabuursi population.

That's the maximum number (2.1M) of your enclave. Pure statistical facts.

Even if you increase that number by another 200k you would still be short of 2.4M LMAO

Embrace your laangaab title 11d00r boy

bro did they mention the clans of those population and their clan distribution?????????
Bro i can't you are too stupid and even worse desperate and stupid you even posted some made up shit

here is the link to the full survey done is somalia and somaliland i can't find the bullcrap you posted
https://somalia.unfpa.org/sites/def...timation-Survey-of-Somalia-PESS-2013-2014.pdf
you are such a shitty person full of cuqdad,

 

[Karim]

I will skip your persol insult and focus on the defeat of your idol President BigMouth, who started his career as a POLICEMAN for Italy. NO MILITARY experience. Till AFTER 1960. He was a policeman not a soldier UNTIL his Italian masters left.

Back to 1991
In other words, the the Big Jabartib ethnic group not only lost Xiis, their ancesteral hometown, to tiny little new comer Isaaq, the Jabarti ethnic group also left their heavy military equipment to SNM in 1991. Isaaq is the minority that now producre leaders for the children of your Aabbe Afweyne. And yes Afweyne lost despite foreign CAYDH for his promise to join Masiixis in prayer to Ciisa caleyhi salaam.

I don't think you represent MJ sentiments based on your dogged antiSNM zeal. Defending Afweyne? against SNM? not typical MJ behaviour.


BTW the main issue was the North potentially reuniting with the South. If it happens, it will be on Isaaq terms








Let's not argue about what clan has what numbers. I would say DIR ALONE are bigger than Jabartis and Isaaq COMBINED because of all the Qoti/Oromo speaking Dir in Hararga Itoobiya it doesn't matter

You obviously suffer from reading comprehension and you have a disorder of repeating the same phrases over and over again. "Jabarti ethnic group left heavy equipment"... I have refuted and responded to your comment several times but seems like your brain is too stiff and rigid to throughouly comprehend the rebuttals.

Governments move heavy military equipments from one location to another, without financial, tactical planning and strategic support no one can move such heavy weaponary.

Plus, I'm not defending Siad Barre, in fact, I'm staunch antagonist against his regime. I was solely correcting the misinformation that you're spreading regarding SNM and Somali armed forces. Armed forces were firmly in their positions until Ali Mahdi and his PM announced the complete termination of the Somali armed forces. Every soldier headed home since there was no purpose to continuing fighting.

 

[Gadhwayne]

You obviously suffer from reading comprehension and you have a disorder of repeating the same phrases over and over again. "Jabarti ethnic group left heavy equipment"... I have refuted and responded to your comment several times but seems like your brain is too stiff and rigid to throughouly comprehend the rebuttals.

Governments move heavy military equipments from one location to another, without financial, tactical planning and strategic support no one can move such heavy weaponary.

Plus, I'm not defending Siad Barre, in fact, I'm staunch antagonist against his regime. I was solely correcting the misinformation that you're spreading regarding SNM and Somali armed forces. Armed forces were firmly in their positions until Ali Mahdi and his PM announced the complete termination of the Somali armed forces. Every soldier headed to his hometown since there was no purpose in continuing the fighting.

This booliqaran kid has all the time in the world sending 18 messages an hour half the day


I admit Im not fluent in your Jabarti ethnic group's dialect. But I do support justice for Jabartis


Can you put as more of an effort into helping the Jabartis still left in Shiik AlJabartis homeland? Don't worry about SNM inheriting SNA heavy military equipment

Long story short Afweyne lost proAfweyne clan militias lost. They signed peace on SNM terms.

The anti Isaaq militias couldn't last in the North once it was clear they had no more foreign CAYDH. SNM and USC mujahidiin won. Southern abarti militias threw away their SNA uniforms and turned tail.

Let me repeat this for my booliqaran Jabarti you clan militias turned tail rather face SNM because your proAfweyne clan militias realized there was no more foreign CAYDH on the way.

So Ugaadyahan, the most proAfweyne clan, got karbaashed by HY. They sought refuge under JS in LaasCaanood. Everyone else gave up. Signed peace on SNM terms. They could have chosen, without foreign CAYDH, to continue fighting SNM.

They made the wise choice. Lest, Isaaq takes more territiry. Like ancestetal Jabarti hometown of Xiis

Find a job instead of instigating disunity. The thread was about how to possibly reunify North and South

 

[Karim]

bro did they mention the clans of those population and their clan distribution?????????
Bro i can't you are too stupid and even worse desperate and stupid you even posted some made up shit

here is the link to the full survey done is somalia and somaliland i can't find the bullcrap you posted
https://somalia.unfpa.org/sites/def...timation-Survey-of-Somalia-PESS-2013-2014.pdf
you are such a shitty person full of cuqdad,

"Do they mention clans"!!!!
Can't you see the district names?!! Seems like you have zero knowledge about tribal territories. What kinda question is that?!!

Here's the UN link breaking down the survey into districts, released by the UNFPA.

Here's the complete list of All Somalia districts according to the UNFPA:

 

[Karim]

@shum33
What about this UN population census done in 2005. The whole NorthWEST (including Sool and Sanaag) was mere 1.8M and the Northeast was: 840k.

Puntland in 2005 excluding Sool and Sanaag was just 1M short of the whole Northern populations (Samaroon, Isaaq, Warsangali, Dhulbahante) etc.

What's your response?!
OR
Post another 90 year old biased survey from colonized Somalia

 

[shum33]

@Karim wallahi sxb you are extremely dumb you are shoting yourself in the foot,funny enough you insult other good meaning users I.Q
The first table you posted before is from a survey done in 2014 which does not mention the population distribution in any town but regions recognized by somalia.
then you posted some made up bullshit table from 2005 with the total population of 7,502,650. Towns which are dominated by isaaqs are every town in waqooyi,oodeweyn,caynabo,burco,sheikh,ceriigabo,cal afwen lets just work with an estimation i did not include isaaqs in awdal or in other parts of sool and sanaag or non isaaqs in those towns the total number is 1,597,393

if the total population in your table is 7,502,650 and the population of town that is isaaq dominated is 1,597,393 what is the percentage of isaaqs in somalia and somaliland?

=21.291% YOU RETARDED!!!!!!! don't you know basic maths?

and this is what you posted before it shows the total population,the 2005 one
https://www.unocha.org/sites/dms/Somalia/UNDP-POP-RURAL-URBAN 2005.pdf

 

[shum33]

"Do they mention clans"!!!!
Can't you see the district names?!! Seems like you have zero knowledge about tribal territories. What kinda question is that?!!

Here's the UN link breaking down the survey into districts, released by the UNFPA.

Here's the complete list of All Somalia districts according to the UNFPA:
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don't post some edited source your orignal link you sent from 2005 has different estimates
https://www.unocha.org/sites/dms/Somalia/UNDP-POP-RURAL-URBAN 2005.pdf