SJW Somali's hatred for Arabs and arguing that we were slaves...

[Bernie Madoff]

 

[Mohamud]

What the f*ck is this?

 

[Raamsade]

The original Twitter is correct though. Arabs WERE the original MASS ENSLAVERS of Africans mostly around the Sahara region and East Africa (Kenya, Tanzenia, etc). We all know about European slavery of Africans but know nothing about Arabs.

 

[The_Cosmos]

I don't think there needs to be much debate on the supposed enslavement of Somalis because there is NO evidence to suggest that it ever occurred. Many people claimed that Somalis were warriors and suggested this as one of the reasons why they were not enslaved. This of course has no evidence backing it either. Somalis were massive business partners of both the Arabs and the Ottomans and thus conquering or enslaving them would not have been a wise thing to do. Religion of course plays a part in this in that in Islam says that a free Muslim cannot be enslaved.

Somalis Sultanates were a pretty big deal in the Indian ocean and thus it provided them much protection and accumulated them much wealth. The Portuguese tried to invade Mogadishu twice and failed but the Somalis (along with the Ottomans of course) got a bit cocky and decided to try and "liberate" the rest of Portuguese hold of south east Africa but they also failed seeing as that the Portuguese sent reinforcements. Somalis were definitely not slaves but he who knows his history would know that we played a huge role in the enslavement of many innocents.

This should also be a reminder for all those Somalis who are quick to point out the woes of the past committed by the "evil white man" and reflect on their history and see that they too have the stain of slavery on their past. Understand that it was the imperialists who outlawed slavery in our lands. How shameful!! /s

 

[Dhabaal]

Somalis were definitely not slaves but he who knows his history would know that we played a huge role in the enslavement of many innocents.

This should also be a reminder for all those Somalis who are quick to point out the woes of the past committed by the "evil white man" and reflect on their history and see that they too have the stain of slavery on their past. Understand that it was the imperialists who outlawed slavery in our lands. How shameful!! /s

I disagree with this part.

Somalis did not profit from the Slave trade in any kind of systematic or institutional level to which we still benefit from today unlike the Europeans. The Imperialists did not outlaw slavery in our lands they practiced it, the Italians continued to enslave and use Bantus as plantation workers on their owned farms. No other nation still inherits the wealth of their former slaves like the West.

I see you are among many who run off with Eurocentric interpretation of history. The attack on African history manifests in blame reassignment, normalizing (everyone had slavery), and statistical downsizing. Blame reassignment refocuses study
on African and Arab slavery.

But murderers don't get off by pleading to the judge that someone else committed an equally bad murder, or that the murder was less server because the victims parents handed them the knife.

While Africans and Europeans were jointly involved in the Atlantic slave trade it was Europe dominated the connection, vastly enlarged (from a crack to a canyon) the slave trade, and continually turned it to European advantage and to an African disadvantage. Basil Davidson states that within both European and African institutions there were also differences, and these differences, however "minor," created a decisive outcome, which allowed European total domination evolving into colonialism and today's neocolonialism.

http://www.africanholocaust.net/html_ah/holocaustspecial.htm

 

[Mohamud]

how trustworthy is African Holocaust?

the name alone depicts a serious lean towards African ethnic groups

 

[Mohamud]

kkkkk they individual reference points at the bottom for everything

i can just sift through those

 

[Warsame Ali]

Somalis were skinnies, that is why they lucky not to be slaved. They can't even pick up 10lbs. Lol

 

[Dhabaal]

how trustworthy is African Holocaust?

the name alone depicts a serious lean towards African ethnic groups

Its an African discourse website. It is well sourced and comments on contemporary knowledge/information about history non of that afrocentric fiction.

I should also mention how irrelevant it is to bring up Ethiopians, Somalis and Arabs part in the enslavement of Africans in an attempt to downsize European driven one and shift the blame.

''The distant Arab slave trade with its states in Zanzibar have long vanished from the economic-political landscape. But the wealth of Great Britain and France continue uninterrupted. The governments, churches, businesses, royal decree, that funded and approved slavery remain unaltered. 140 million Africans in the Western Hemisphere, representing around 14% of the world's population are the visible consequences of Western Slaving and this is not only a numbers issue , as this Diaspora also represent the absolute bottom of every social-economic graph. All of this is necessary to show the backdrop to the attitudes and motives for the "new" focus on Arabs. ''

 

[The_Cosmos]

I disagree with this part.

Somalis did not profit from the Slave trade in any kind of systematic or institutional level to which we still benefit from today unlike the Europeans. The Imperialists did not outlaw slavery in our lands they practiced it, the Italians continued to enslave and use Bantus as plantation workers on their owned farms. No other nation still inherits the wealth of their former slaves like the West.

I see you are among many who run off with Eurocentric interpretation of history. The attack on African history manifests in blame reassignment, normalizing (everyone had slavery), and statistical downsizing. Blame reassignment refocuses study
on African and Arab slavery.

But murderers don't get off by pleading to the judge that someone else committed an equally bad murder, or that the murder was less server because the victims parents handed them the knife.


http://www.africanholocaust.net/html_ah/holocaustspecial.htm

I disagree with the part "Somalis did not profit from the Slave trade in any kind of systematic or institutional level," Somalis absolutely benefited from slavery in every possible way. The legacy of slavery can still be felt by the Bantu population in Somalia who are still referred to as "adon" and called other derogatory words. Somalis benefited financially and even those wealthy enough owned slaves themselves. There are over 1.2 million Bantus in Somalia accounting for about 12% of the entire population. The British outlawed slavery pretty much as soon as they took over the nation and I'm assuming the Italians did the same as there was an international consensus among all colonial powers that slavery must be abolished.

I haven't in any way tried to downsize the slavery of many Africans by the Europeans but the Arab slave trade was larger and even lasted longer then the Atlantic slave trade. It's highly dishonest to vilify the Europeans for an act that was regarded as completely normal all over the world (that doesn't of course mean it was morally right). Understand that this was 200 years ago. The Afrocentrists only focus "the evil white man" but never try to look at the enslavement of Africans by the Arabs.

 

[Mohamud]

ok the site is purely panafrican in its presentation but the statistics can be found here if anyone really wants to go through everything

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave

but the total that is consistently linked to the Arab Slave Trade is pretty alarming. Even without the estimations, the actual literary texts cited put that number over 10 million.

essentially more slaves died in their travel to the New World than the entire population of African Slaves over a 300 year period in the Muslim World.

Yeah there is NO comparison between the African Slave trade by Europeans to pretty much any enslavement period in our history. As far as we can concretely tell, that one was the absolute worst.

 

[Mohamud]

Somalis were skinnies, that is why they lucky not to be slaved. They can't even pick up 10lbs. Lol

sxb i highly suggest not using your pic on this site

also you look legit familiar. you from Toronto athiga?

 

[The_Cosmos]

ok the site is purely panafrican in its presentation but the statistics can be found here if anyone really wants to go through everything

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave

but the total that is consistently linked to the Arab Slave Trade is pretty alarming. Even without the estimations, the actual literary texts cited put that number over 10 million.

essentially more slaves died in their travel to the New World than the entire population of African Slaves over a 300 year period in the Muslim World.

Yeah there is NO comparison between the African Slave trade by Europeans to pretty much any enslavement period in our history. As far as we can concretely tell, that one was the absolute worst.

However, slaves in the muslim still suffer from the legacy of the slave trade. They are also on the bottom of the social economic ladder. Also, I very much doubt that the European slave trade was the worst in the world, it certainly was one of the worst.

 

[Mohamud]

kkkk he ripped the pic off somewhere

 

[Dhabaal]

I disagree with the part "Somalis did not profit from the Slave trade in any kind of systematic or institutional level," Somalis absolutely benefited from slavery in every possible way. The legacy of slavery can still be felt by the Bantu population in Somalia who are still referred to as "adon" and called other derogatory words. Somalis benefited financially and even those wealthy enough owned slaves themselves. There are over 1.2 million Bantus in Somalia accounting for about 12% of the entire population. The British outlawed slavery pretty much as soon as they took over the nation and I'm assuming the Italians did the same as there was an international consensus among all colonial powers that slavery must be abolished.

I haven't in any way tried to downsize the slavery of many Africans by the Europeans but the Arab slave trade was larger and even lasted longer then the Atlantic slave trade. It's highly dishonest to vilify the Europeans for an act that was regarded as completely normal all over the world (that doesn't of course mean it was morally right). Understand that this was 200 years ago. The Afrocentrists only focus "the evil white man" but never try to look at the enslavement of Africans by the Arabs.

Soo the soo called wealth and profit we gain is the simple term ''Adoon''? LOOL!. Which btw isn't synonymous to any group of people let alone bantus, it is just the word for ''Slave'' commonly used in different contexts even in Somali poetry to metaphorically to refer to subservience and submissiveness. The word ''Habash'' is what is synonymous with bantu in the Somali language

Secondly Somalis did not benefit financially and systematically in which we still continue benifit until this today. If so what are these present institutions that reek these soo called material benefits?

This isn't a simple case of ''Evil white man''.One should never entertain is this romance of Good Black people vs. Bad White people. The wickedest European nation is only as wicked as their power to do wickedness, their capacity for evil. Having dark skin or being the victim of racism does not automatically imply you are righteous or moral (two different conditions: being oppressed and being conscious). It just means one's propensity for evil is limited by lack of power.

I highly reject Afrocentrism. Afrocentricity is a psuedo history that came as a reaction to Eurocentrics. Which is the European form of Afrocentrism.

 

[Mohamud]

I highly reject Afrocentrism.

Afrocentrism is rather repugnant. For the sheer fact that us being African rejects that notion entirely. Our continent expelled and dispersed so many people, of course we can't all be one under the sun. A few marquee similarities that can bring context in a globalized world, sure. But nothing entirely widespread.

Why couldn't panafricanism just be reserved for continental cooperation on an international level rather than some cockney attempt at revisioning who we are. shidd, this is why I always liked the African label in the first place, because I always felt we inherently knew who we were. But wallahi we got some snakes in the grass.

I may have to reevaluate my position on blackness a tad. I had no idea this many people existed. I truly thought they comprehended the nuance without going full steam ahead on the xayawaanimo but it seems i was dead wrong.

 

[Dhabaal]

ok the site is purely panafrican in its presentation but the statistics can be found here if anyone really wants to go through everything

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave

but the total that is consistently linked to the Arab Slave Trade is pretty alarming. Even without the estimations, the actual literary texts cited put that number over 10 million.

essentially more slaves died in their travel to the New World than the entire population of African Slaves over a 300 year period in the Muslim World.

Yeah there is NO comparison between the African Slave trade by Europeans to pretty much any enslavement period in our history. As far as we can concretely tell, that one was the absolute worst.

Whats more they have so many organizations, businesses and institutions founded on and profitted from Slavery until this present day in Europe and America.

And also the fact they gave reparations to Jews and Japanese but can't even give greatest ongoing sufferers (Africans) reparation. What is up with that?

 

[The_Cosmos]

Soo the soo called wealth and profit we gain is the simple term ''Adoon''? LOOL!. Which btw isn't synonymous to any group of people let alone bantus, it is just the word for ''Slave'' commonly used in different contexts even in Somali poetry to metaphorically to refer to subservience and submissiveness.

Secondly Somalis did not benefit financially and systematically in which we still continue benifit until this today. If so what are these present institutions that reek these soo called material benefits?

This isn't a simple case of ''Evil white man''.One should never entertain is this romance of Good Black people vs. Bad White people. The wickedest European nation is only as wicked as their power to do wickedness, their capacity for evil. Having dark skin or being the victim of racism does not automatically imply you are righteous or moral (two different conditions: being oppressed and being conscious). It just means one's propensity for evil is limited by lack of power.

I highly reject Afrocentrism. Afrocentricity is a psuedo history that came as a reaction to Eurocentrics. Which is the European form of Afrocentrism.

In what way do Europeans still benefit financially from something that was abolished 200 years?!! This is simply a "blame the evil white man" shit!

I said that they still suffer from societal discrimination by being called "adon" and derogatory words like that. The f*ck does poetry have to do with that!! It's not a secret that Somalis treat the Bantus terribly due to their past.

The Africans who descended from the slave trade are on the bottom of the social economic ladder and their is a clear and evident systematic racism towards them in the Arab world. They constantly complain about being called "abeed" which means slave and they're treated like absolute shit!! The Muslim only began abolishing slave trade in the 20th century.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Whats more they have so many organizations, businesses and institutions founded on and profitted from Slavery until this present day in Europe and America.

And also the fact they gave reparations to Jews and Japanese but can't even give greatest ongoing sufferers (Africans) reparation. What is up with that?

Are you honestly calling for reparations for Africans? What about the Arabs? Shouldn't they pay reparations to the Africans as well for their involvement?!!

 

[Dhabaal]

In what way do Europeans still benefit financially from something that was abolished 200 years?!! This is simply a "blame the evil white man" shit!

I said that they still suffer from societal discrimination by being called "adon" and derogatory words like that. The f*ck does poetry have to do with that!! It's not a secret that Somalis treat the Bantus terribly due to their past.

The Africans who descended from the slave trade are on the bottom of the social economic ladder and their is a clear and evident systematic racism towards them in the Arab world. They constantly complain about being called "abeed" which means slave and they're treated like absolute shit!! The Muslim only began abolishing slave trade in the 20th century.

''I actually explain how they still benefit from Slavery . '''That the wealth of Great Britain and France continue uninterrupted. The governments, churches, businesses, royal decree, corporations,universities that funded and approved slavery remain unaltered.''

I can give you a long detailed list of them if you want. Just ask.

Secondly i was explaining that the term ''Adoon'' is not synonymously referred to Bantus and isn't an exclusiv denote for Bantus. But rather it is term that simply means ''Slave'' and it is used in various different contexts. What we call Bantus is actually ''Habash''.

The term itself is isn't any evidence of us reeping material benefits from it, there are no institutions, wealth or systems present in Somalis still today funded or benefited from slavery